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Post by SIENA1971 on Nov 1, 2013 17:46:11 GMT -5
@andrewsantillo: from todays Siena release "Patrick Cole who will have to sit out per NCAA transfer regulation" my belief was they were still waiting to hear
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Post by th24 on Nov 1, 2013 17:55:16 GMT -5
Q: If Siena is in the A10- would have have gotten the waver? Would St Bonaventure? Rode Island? UMass?
Two words to think about..." Conference Credibility"!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 18:11:19 GMT -5
Q: If Siena is in the A10- would have have gotten the waver? Would St Bonaventure? Rode Island? UMass? Two words to think about..." Conference Credibility"! I do not believe a response was received from NCAA yet. Newark NJ is 180 miles from Siena and 150 miles from Coppin St. Really not much of a difference in distance and that is the reason the Waiver would be denied, of course without knowing the facts of the actual hardship. Trying to blame the MAAC's credibility as a reason if the waiver should be denied is the most ridiculous post you have yet |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 19:57:31 GMT -5
Q: If Siena is in the A10- would have have gotten the waver? Would St Bonaventure? Rode Island? UMass? Two words to think about..." Conference Credibility"! Really? |
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 1, 2013 20:00:56 GMT -5
Q: If Siena is in the A10- would have have gotten the waver? Would St Bonaventure? Rode Island? UMass? Two words to think about..." Conference Credibility"! I do not believe a response was received from NCAA yet. Newark NJ is 180 miles from Siena and 150 miles from Coppin St. Really not much of a difference in distance and that is the reason the Waiver would be denied, of course without knowing the facts of the actual hardship. Trying to blame the MAAC's credibility as a reason if the waiver should be denied is the most ridiculous post you have yet What is the waiver reason? I don't remember reading anything official as to the reason. Are you speculating on the reason? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 20:08:08 GMT -5
I do not believe a response was received from NCAA yet. Newark NJ is 180 miles from Siena and 150 miles from Coppin St. Really not much of a difference in distance and that is the reason the Waiver would be denied, of course without knowing the facts of the actual hardship. Trying to blame the MAAC's credibility as a reason if the waiver should be denied is the most ridiculous post you have yet What is the waiver reason? I don't remember reading anything official as to the reason. Are you speculating on the reason? My point is the reason for hardship waivers being granted is for the student-athlete to be closer to his family and the facts are both Siena and Coppin St. are just about the same distance from his home in Newark, NJ . So granting this waiver does not really help his hardship to be closer to home to help support his family hardship. |
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Post by th24 on Nov 1, 2013 20:12:29 GMT -5
Look all I'm saying ..it's just funny how schools from bigger conferences get waivers - and the smaller ones don't!
Example hankla Oct 24: "Bleacher Report today has an article about Josh Smith who transferred from UCLA to Georgetown in the middle of last season being awarded immediate eligibility for this semester. Additionally, despite having played games in three seasons at UCLA including six before leaving last season he has two full seasons of eligibility. He was awarded something called a SEASON OF COMPETITION WAIVER. He doesn't even have to have a sick grandma.. Georgetown Law produces some great lawyers ."
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 1, 2013 20:13:28 GMT -5
What is the waiver reason? I don't remember reading anything official as to the reason. Are you speculating on the reason? My point is the reason for hardship waivers being granted is for the student-athlete to be closer to his family and the facts are both Siena and Coppin St. are just about the same distance from his home in Newark, NJ . So granting this waiver does not really help his hardship to be closer to home to help support his family hardship. My point is nobody really knows his waiver reason and are speculating. Even if you reason is correct, I still would prefer he get his waiver (only if he really wants it granted). So I don't really care if it's reasonable or not, just if the NCAA thinks it's reasonable. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 20:27:42 GMT -5
My point is the reason for hardship waivers being granted is for the student-athlete to be closer to his family and the facts are both Siena and Coppin St. are just about the same distance from his home in Newark, NJ . So granting this waiver does not really help his hardship to be closer to home to help support his family hardship. My point is nobody really knows his waiver reason and are speculating. Even if you reason is correct, I still would prefer he get his waiver (only if he really wants it granted). So I don't really care if it's reasonable or not, just if the NCAA thinks it's reasonable. It is not anyone's business what his hardship is, The only point I made is even if he has and proves a legit hardship the NCAA can still deny his waiver because a transfer to Siena does not get him closer to home which is part of the criteria to get a waiver. I never questioned if it was reasonable or not. Iagree that's the NCAA'S decision |
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 1, 2013 20:33:25 GMT -5
My point is nobody really knows his waiver reason and are speculating. Even if you reason is correct, I still would prefer he get his waiver (only if he really wants it granted). So I don't really care if it's reasonable or not, just if the NCAA thinks it's reasonable. It is not anyone's business what his hardship is, The only point I made is even if he has and proves a legit hardship the NCAA can still deny his waiver because a transfer to Siena does not get him closer to home which is part of the criteria to get a waiver. I never questioned if it was reasonable or not. Iagree that's the NCAA'S decision OK, you're rationale is reasonable. Now please stop raining on our parade. Some Siena fans would like the NCAA to prove us wrong an eventually grant a Siena player a waiver (hardship or any other type of waiver). Why can't the Siena's of the basketball get a favorable bounce like so many of the big time programs get with flimsy waiver excuses? |
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Post by Tony on Nov 2, 2013 4:44:38 GMT -5
You guys have no idea on the waiver- you don’t even know if it’s closer- what if he has a sick grandmother in Kingston( not saying he does) point is nobody knows the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 5:48:29 GMT -5
Look all I'm saying ..it's just funny how schools from bigger conferences get waivers - and the smaller ones don't! Example hankla Oct 24: "Bleacher Report today has an article about Josh Smith who transferred from UCLA to Georgetown in the middle of last season being awarded immediate eligibility for this semester. Additionally, despite having played games in three seasons at UCLA including six before leaving last season he has two full seasons of eligibility. He was awarded something called a SEASON OF COMPETITION WAIVER. He doesn't even have to have a sick grandma.. Georgetown Law produces some great lawyers ." Maybe you should read more about that case, in that thread. You got the part where Smith left UCLA last year. How about the part where he's 3,000 miles closer to home? The NCAA sucks, but so does that example. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 7:23:16 GMT -5
Situations change. This is an example only and has no relationship to Cole's case (no one outside of Siena knows any of the specifics in his waiver request). Player A from Atlanta enrolls at Georgia Tech. During his Sophomore year his parents separate with Mom moving closer to her original home in the Bronx. The player looks to transer and St. John's has a slot. The transfer happens with the mandatory year to sit. The player (whose address of record is still Atlanta) applies for a waiver because he is close to his mom and she needs him closer. I think the waiver would be granted. Again, just an example but not out of the realm of possibility. Outsiders, looking at the kid's GT bio see he's from Atlanta yet got a waiver to play in NYC - yet another case of the NCAA bowing to the Big boys - NOT! Let's just wait and see what happens. We win regardless.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 2, 2013 8:35:28 GMT -5
Its a win for us either way...everyone pretty much agrees this will be a tough year with or without him...team will be bettee next year...and if he does not get the waiver he will join the sophomore class instead of adding to the 5 freshman we already gave...I am goodv with either outcome
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 2, 2013 8:51:03 GMT -5
Smith is from Washington state
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