bagger
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Post by bagger on Oct 14, 2013 5:48:21 GMT -5
i liked #10, reminded me of Faison as a young pup, disruption on the court.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 5:53:28 GMT -5
There is a lot of doubt from the coahes if he can contribute that's why he would redshirt....thoughts after the summer, Montreal games, and the practices is that too much is in front of him to get much time...the redshirt deal is contingent on that. .if after all that has been done so far Wolfe demonstrated he was ready to play the 5 or could be ready in 10 games he won't be reshirting. You seem to forget we all saw Audu amd Oliver ALL LAST YEAR while you were living in Baltimore. You're getting close with these kids on a personal level, so your observations are dangerously sliding into "conflict" area. It really does not matter what happened last year...Patsos is judging them this year with a clean slate and they have worked their way into the top 7...you can't tell Oliver had knee problems and Rich did score off the bounce sat. Oliver has the best stroke on the team...this in not emotion these are facts...Patsos is pleased with both of them...And I would add that Audu, Oliver, and White handle the ball on equal levels. ..and as of Sat Audu and Oliver were in the top 7... If you paid attention to more than just the scrimmage you would have seen how efficient the white team ran through the plays and the drills....when they did the full court shooting did you notice who Patsos told to go to the layup line because they missed all of their jumpshots....it does not matter if you get a hot streak during the scrimmage. ..Oliver has proven to Patsos that he is a shooter so there will be a place for him...
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Post by Tony on Oct 14, 2013 6:32:41 GMT -5
We “get” this is a new year and a new coach. The question is are Oliver and Audu good enough to play meaningful minutes. Oliver can certainly shoot- but is rather one dimensional. He is not quick and can’t take his man off the bounce. Audu had some potential but doesn’t have a good handle and was a turn over waiting to happen against pressure. Most of the posters on this board have followed MAAC basketball a long time. We have a good idea of what kind of talent it takes to be a top MAAC program.
Unless either or both have improved tremendously we are in big trouble if either or both play significant minutes. No offense to either player- but on good Siena teams of the past neither of those players would sniff the floor. ( maybe Oliver as a designated zone buster) But it would be a limited role. I think the hope is our talent level is increasing and White is good enough to take a good chunk of the minutes at the two
The MAAC is a guard dominated conference— the top teams in the conference have guards that can play anywhere in the country – if Siena wants to be successful in conference our guards have to be able to compete with the guards at Iona- Manhattan Niagara Canisius etc I’m not convinced Oliver and or Audu can
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 6:56:01 GMT -5
We “get” this is a new year and a new coach. The question is are Oliver and Audu good enough to play meaningful minutes. Oliver can certainly shoot- but is rather one dimensional. He is not quick and can’t take his man off the bounce. Audu had some potential but doesn’t have a good handle and was a turn over waiting to happen against pressure. Most of the posters on this board have followed MAAC basketball a long time. We have a good idea of what kind of talent it takes to be a top MAAC program. Unless either or both have improved tremendously we are in big trouble if either or both play significant minutes. No offense to either player- but on good Siena teams of the past neither of those players would sniff the floor. ( maybe Oliver as a designated zone buster) But it would be a limited role. I think the hope is our talent level is increasing and White is good enough to take a good chunk of the minutes at the two The MAAC is a guard dominated conference— the top teams in the conference have guards that can play anywhere in the country – if Siena wants to be successful in conference our guards have to be able to compete with the guards at Iona- Manhattan Niagara Canisius etc I’m not convinced Oliver and or Audu can I get that the team won 8 games last year and some fans would rather replace the players that were part of that than to think they could actually be better this year. .I have not been to enough practices to judge the readiness of any of the players. I trust Patsos when he says they are in the mix to make the top 9....And are top 7 right now because they have picked up a lot from Patsos since he was hired....I don't claim to know more about the talent in the MAAC than you guys....I am just saying Audu and Oliver are more valuable to this team than you guys want to accept...Patsos does not agree with your eval of them....at the end of the day he play them if he feels they are prepared and they will start if Patsos feels they are part of the most cohesive unit.
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Post by Tony on Oct 14, 2013 7:00:13 GMT -5
C’mon PPC--- Jimmy talks “coach speak” more than most. Do you really expect him to say-- we are in trouble at the guard spot—of course not. And it’s not either of those players fault, I’m sure they are working hard. And trust me I hope ( and I’m sure everyone else here also) that both players have improved tremendously. But it was more than a ‘system” problem last year..it was a talent issue and I’m not sure how high the ceiling is on either player. Anyway it goes I will support the players and the team
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 7:07:52 GMT -5
C’mon PPC--- Jimmy talks “coach speak” more than most. Do you really expect him to say-- we are in trouble at the guard spot—of course not. And it’s not either of those players fault, I’m sure they are working hard. And trust me I hope ( and I’m sure everyone else here also) that both players have improved tremendously. But it was more than a ‘system” problem last year..it was a talent issue and I’m not sure how high the ceiling is on either player. Anyway it goes I will support the players and the team Your opinion has been noted...I am sure we agree that Patsos makes the call here and only his staff has imput...Patsos is most concerned with figuring out the 5 spot...From talking to him you are more worried about the guard play than he is...We have a solid freshman pg and 5 sg's to choose from and the cream will rise to the top
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Post by Tony on Oct 14, 2013 7:15:23 GMT -5
Of course Jimmy makes the call- that’s what he is paid big bucks to do. As for the guard situation- as Hymes comes back and White learns the “system” I expect the guard spots to become less and less of a problem and if Cole gets his waiver- I expect Oliver and Audu will play very little this year . Just a guess on my part
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 7:35:34 GMT -5
Of course Jimmy makes the call- that’s what he is paid big bucks to do. As for the guard situation- as Hymes comes back and White learns the “system” I expect the guard spots to become less and less of a problem and if Cole gets his waiver- I expect Oliver and Audu will play very little this year . Just a guess on my part It looks like a lot of posters fill that way based on last year. My opinion is based on this year and what I saw in the few practices that I have seen...add what Patsos said about them along with the fact that they have worked their way into the rotation so far...whether you agree or not Audu and Oliver were in the top 7 Sat and we will know very soon if they end up there...I think we are here right now with positions and the top 8-9 will emerge from here Wright/Hymes Hymes/Poole/Audu/Oliver/White Poole/Long/Oliver/White Long/JO/Bisping/Poole Silas/JO/Bisping/Hopper Audu, Wright and Silas only play one position. ..and that hurts Audu the most because there are so many at his position. There are several options for starters so who are your top 8?
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Post by Tony on Oct 14, 2013 7:39:50 GMT -5
Easy in no particular order Silas, JO, Bisping, Long, Poole, White, Hymes, Wright – with Oliver as 9th man ..if Cole is eligible then drop Oliver out of top 9
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 8:05:49 GMT -5
Easy in no particular order Silas, JO, Bisping, Long, Poole, White, Hymes, Wright – with Oliver as 9th man ..if Cole is eligible then drop Oliver out of top 9 Fair enough. ..you are close to where we are now Wright Oliver/Audu Poole Long Silas/JO/Bisping Hymes hurt and White with a late start will both be in the playing group I agree...so I guess the question is can all those 2gs force Patsos to play 10 on a regular or the 9th and 10th will get minutes based on matchups...
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Post by th24 on Oct 14, 2013 9:22:09 GMT -5
Wright Oliver Poole Bisping Silas
6. Long 7. Hymes 8. JO 9. Audu 10. White
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 9:44:16 GMT -5
Wright Oliver Poole Bisping Silas 6. Long 7. Hymes 8. JO 9. Audu 10. White I agree that we will see that lineup IMOP with the first sub being what is needed at that moment Hymes 1/2 Audu 2 White 2/3 Long 3/4 JO 4/5 I believe the starting lineup will change a lot before the MAAC starts and the rotation should be solid by midseason...10 guys getting minutes every game with the top 7 playing starters minutes
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Post by mrsiena on Oct 14, 2013 10:32:08 GMT -5
We're all expecting an up tempo pace but scoring in the mid 70's to 80's is easier said than done. IMO, we need to establish a tough defensive minded team before we look to be a scoring juggernaut. Thus, I could forsee a starting "defensive 5" of Wright, White, Poole, Long, and Silas. Build a 10+ point advantage then bring in the offensive snipers Hymes, Oliver, etc. Dunne had St. Pete's win with defense. They weren't a great offensive team. Jimmy had Loyola play solid enough defense in winning their MAAC title. Niagara and Iona play weak defense and use the outscore your opponent mentality. That doesn't always work out.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 14, 2013 10:57:57 GMT -5
You seem to forget we all saw Audu amd Oliver ALL LAST YEAR while you were living in Baltimore. You're getting close with these kids on a personal level, so your observations are dangerously sliding into "conflict" area. It really does not matter what happened last year...Patsos is judging them this year with a clean slate and they have worked their way into the top 7...you can't tell Oliver had knee problems and Rich did score off the bounce sat. Oliver has the best stroke on the team...this in not emotion these are facts...Patsos is pleased with both of them...And I would add that Audu, Oliver, and White handle the ball on equal levels. ..and as of Sat Audu and Oliver were in the top 7... If you paid attention to more than just the scrimmage you would have seen how efficient the white team ran through the plays and the drills....when they did the full court shooting did you notice who Patsos told to go to the layup line because they missed all of their jumpshots....it does not matter if you get a hot streak during the scrimmage. ..Oliver has proven to Patsos that he is a shooter so there will be a place for him... You're not seriously going to use that scrimmage as a plus for Audu and Oliver are you? The difference at the PG position between the white/green teams is like the difference between Shaker HS and Duke. Even with Audu and Oliver playing alongside Wright (he's the Duke:), Cole and White STILL OUYPLAYED THEM with the handicap of Cruz "running" the point. What's the scrimmage outcome if Cole and White played on the white, and Audu and Oliver played on the green with Cruz and Hopper?? lol And Tony is right about you putting way too much stock into what JP says publicly.. What do you expect him to do? If he was as happy as you think with the sophomore guards he inherited from Mitch why would he need to recriuit any guards for next year, like he's been actively doing?? We've got 5 very capable (according to you) guards all coming back in '14-'15. So why recruit more guards?
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Post by Sienafan on Oct 14, 2013 11:22:28 GMT -5
Easy in no particular order Silas, JO, Bisping, Long, Poole, White, Hymes, Wright – with Oliver as 9th man ..if Cole is eligible then drop Oliver out of top 9 I think that is quite obviously the playing rotation. If Cole gets his waiver (he won't) then they play 10. There's no way Oliver doesn't play. He's probably the team's best 3 point shooter. You don't not use that weapon. I also see a possibility that Hymes's hands are a problem all season, allowing someone else into the rotation. Doesn't anyone find it worrisome that the hand not in a cast suddenly went bad and now he has issues with both?
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