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Post by siena7127 on Aug 10, 2014 12:41:18 GMT -5
Keep winning and better recruits will come. The roster was so bad when jimmy took over he could not afford a swing and a miss on players being recruited by major programs. I think you will see him more involved with higher level recruits after another winning season this year.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 10, 2014 13:10:59 GMT -5
Patsos recruits talent that fits his system. Big, Skilled, and the more versatile the better. I know the fans like to see bigger schools or more than 2 stars attached to the recruits. Hopefully that happens for you while we are here. I only worry about winning the games and playing in the NCAA tournament at the end of the day. Wright is a perfect example of being better than offers and ranking....he was recruited as a backup for RJ at Loyola.
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Post by Tony on Aug 10, 2014 15:56:22 GMT -5
Patsos recruits talent that fits his system. Big, Skilled, and the more versatile the better. I know the fans like to see bigger schools or more than 2 stars attached to the recruits. Hopefully that happens for you while we are here. I only worry about winning the games and playing in the NCAA tournament at the end of the day. Wright is a perfect example of being better than offers and ranking....he was recruited as a backup for RJ at Loyola. Please don’t patronize me- never said he wasn’t signing good players. I have a fairly good idea what type players it takes to win the MAAC and to be a top mid major . D1 head coaches are the best talent evaluators in the world and even they are aren’t right all the time, but they are right more often than not, after all their jobs depend upon it. I made the observation most of Jimmy’s signing have been against low majors – if he is to be successful here at Siena eventually he will have to go up against better mid major programs and win a few battles. I am looking at much more than "your" time here
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 10, 2014 16:32:19 GMT -5
The wins and loses matter more than what offers the recruits had is my point. I dont care what level the other offers are on. As long as the kid fits and helps I am all in.
I do understand the fans perspective. I see what they are saying on the MAAC board..etc so for bragging rights I hope we get players that have the level of offers the fans want them to have. Its just not a requirement for me at all. So I talked about Lavon's length of stay. I will always be a Siena fan even after Lavon is done
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Post by bigsaintg on Aug 10, 2014 16:53:24 GMT -5
PPC does't get it not having any real ties to Siena. We don't want to be the best in the MAAC, we want to move up and be good in a conference like the A10 and you need better players to do that. FACT. WE are not going to raise the attendence and beat bigger teams if we consistently get players only siught after by Loyola,Florida Gulf Coast, Longwood etc. We need to beat some A10 and top CAA teams for better caliber of kids if we are going to improbe our overall program. The financial commitment the school is putting into hoops calls for it and more alumni want it.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 10, 2014 17:28:58 GMT -5
Patsos recruits talent that fits his system. Big, Skilled, and the more versatile the better. I know the fans like to see bigger schools or more than 2 stars attached to the recruits. Hopefully that happens for you while we are here. I only worry about winning the games and playing in the NCAA tournament at the end of the day. Wright is a perfect example of being better than offers and ranking....he was recruited as a backup for RJ at Loyola. Please don’t patronize me- never said he wasn’t signing good players. I have a fairly good idea what type players it takes to win the MAAC and to be a top mid major . D1 head coaches are the best talent evaluators in the world and even they are aren’t right all the time, but they are right more often than not, after all their jobs depend upon it. I made the observation most of Jimmy’s signing have been against low majors – if he is to be successful here at Siena eventually he will have to go up against better mid major programs and win a few battles. I am looking at much more than "your" time here Patsos has had 2 recruiting classes so far at Siena. And each one contained at least one player with as high as A-10 offers. McCaffery usually only had 1 or 2 such players in each of him classes as well. He usually only got one Ubiles, OD or Basabe type per class, with the rest role players. So if that's the standard you're holding Patsos to, I'm not sure he's doing that much worse. If you think about it, you'd find that you would have made the same comments about the low major competition for guys such as Hasbrouck, Franklin, and Moore. I've always been under the impression that the goal was to get at least one kid who could have gone higher than the MAAC and surround him with MAAC level guys in each class. Anyone expecting Siena to field 5 all league starters again is not living in reality. That was likely a once in a lifetime thing. Patsos had a better first season than Fran did, while relying heavily on his recruits he brought with him. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by MTS on Aug 10, 2014 17:32:24 GMT -5
PPC does't get it not having any real ties to Siena. We don't want to be the best in the MAAC, we want to move up and be good in a conference like the A10 and you need better players to do that. FACT. WE are not going to raise the attendance and beat bigger teams if we consistently get players only sought after by Loyola,Florida Gulf Coast, Longwood etc. We need to beat some A10 and top CAA teams for better caliber of kids if we are going to improve our overall program. The financial commitment the school is putting into hoops calls for it and more alumni want it. I agree we all want to be the best possible program we are capable of being. I will say it doesn't matter who Jimmy recruits against if he wins big. What good is it to recruit against the A10/CAA if those players don't win you games? We just need the players who are the right fits. Winning games raise attendance. Of course I know the better players you get the better your chances are but you have to get the right ones and necessarily the ones with the highest offers. Look at Rob Lanier. He might have been our best recruiter. What good did that do him? As someone mentioned above Jimmy took over a program in shambles (worse than the teams inherited by Hewitt or Fran) and won 20 games and the CBI title. Of course we all want a lot more and there is work to be done to get the program fully back to where we were in 2010. Siena needs to continue to build it back up and I'm confident you'll see Jimmy reels in a couple of big fish.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 10, 2014 17:43:50 GMT -5
PPC does't get it not having any real ties to Siena. We don't want to be the best in the MAAC, we want to move up and be good in a conference like the A10 and you need better players to do that. FACT. WE are not going to raise the attendence and beat bigger teams if we consistently get players only siught after by Loyola,Florida Gulf Coast, Longwood etc. We need to beat some A10 and top CAA teams for better caliber of kids if we are going to improbe our overall program. The financial commitment the school is putting into hoops calls for it and more alumni want it. That's not fair. PPC has more ties to Siena than many here. She sent her only child there and attends every game and most practices. Can you say your attendance is the same? I don't really think you can credibly claim that she bleeds green and gold any less than you. Anyone who didn't attend Siena nor has a child there has a lot less ties than she does.
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Post by bigsaintg on Aug 10, 2014 18:13:39 GMT -5
Please don’t patronize me- never said he wasn’t signing good players. I have a fairly good idea what type players it takes to win the MAAC and to be a top mid major . D1 head coaches are the best talent evaluators in the world and even they are aren’t right all the time, but they are right more often than not, after all their jobs depend upon it. I made the observation most of Jimmy’s signing have been against low majors – if he is to be successful here at Siena eventually he will have to go up against better mid major programs and win a few battles. I am looking at much more than "your" time here Patsos has had 2 recruiting classes so far at Siena. And each one contained at least one player with as high as A-10 offers. McCaffery usually only had 1 or 2 such players in each of him classes as well. He usually only got one Ubiles, OD or Basabe type per class, with the rest role players. So if that's the standard you're holding Patsos to, I'm not sure he's doing that much worse. If you think about it, you'd find that you would have made the same comments about the low major competition for guys such as Hasbrouck, Franklin, and Moore. I've always been under the impression that the goal was to get at least one kid who could have gone higher than the MAAC and surround him with MAAC level guys in each class. Anyone expecting Siena to field 5 all league starters again is not living in reality. That was likely a once in a lifetime thing. Patsos had a better first season than Fran did, while relying heavily on his recruits he brought with him. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt. I agree with you, we want one difference maker a year, one kid who should be able to start by junior year and hope the others are pretty good.
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Post by q02 on Aug 11, 2014 9:14:04 GMT -5
That's not fair. PPC has more ties to Siena than many here. She sent her only child there and attends every game and most practices. Can you say your attendance is the same? I don't really think you can credibly claim that she bleeds green and gold any less than you. Anyone who didn't attend Siena nor has a child there has a lot less ties than she does Read more: sienahoop.proboards.com/thread/1333/2015-recruiting-news?page=33#ixzz3A5mZkheKI didn't attend siena but I began going to siena games in 1967 and have been a season ticket holder for over 25 years, I think I'm a bigger fan then the majority of siena grads. I agree PPC is a great fan!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 9:26:53 GMT -5
It's not the size of your fandom that matters. It's how you use it.
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Post by Tony on Aug 11, 2014 9:39:10 GMT -5
That's not fair. PPC has more ties to Siena than many here. She sent her only child there and attends every game and most practices. Can you say your attendance is the same? I don't really think you can credibly claim that she bleeds green and gold any less than you. Anyone who didn't attend Siena nor has a child there has a lot less ties than she does Read more: sienahoop.proboards.com/thread/1333/2015-recruiting-news?page=33#ixzz3A5mZkheKI didn't attend siena but I began going to siena games in 1967 and have been a season ticket holder for over 25 years, I think I'm a bigger fan then the majority of siena grads. I agree PPC is a great fan! You are 100% right—many on this board are not Siena grads and have been long time season ticket holders, or in many cases long time financial supporters via Saints alive. We are all fans or we wouldn’t be on this board
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Post by hooligan on Aug 11, 2014 9:55:36 GMT -5
That's not fair. PPC has more ties to Siena than many here. She sent her only child there and attends every game and most practices. Can you say your attendance is the same? I don't really think you can credibly claim that she bleeds green and gold any less than you. Anyone who didn't attend Siena nor has a child there has a lot less ties than she does Read more: sienahoop.proboards.com/thread/1333/2015-recruiting-news?page=33#ixzz3A5mZkheKI didn't attend siena but I began going to siena games in 1967 and have been a season ticket holder for over 25 years, I think I'm a bigger fan then the majority of siena grads. I agree PPC is a great fan! You are 100% right—many on this board are not Siena grads and have been long time season ticket holders, or in many cases long time financial supporters via Saints alive. We are all fans or we wouldn’t be on this board Other than Yankee who is just a troglodyte!
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Post by musicman on Aug 11, 2014 13:08:18 GMT -5
I've been reading this post and couldn't stop thinking about what we now debate or discuss at this time. Man, have we come a long ways in the last 17 or 18 months or what. Incredible! By the time Lavon's class finishes their junior year,(2 seasons), I think just about everyone is going to know how to spell Siena again. There is no doubt in my mind that JP and his staff know exactly what they're doing and are good at it. What they have accomplished in spite of the condition our program was in is unbelievable. Throw in a few 20+ win seasons and I think between our recruiters and Jimmy closing the deal, some of the recruits they bring in are going to be fantastic. The buzz about the program is again at the national level. I have always been a half full type of guy, but JP and the boys have done nothing to stop me from being extremely excited. And on the subject of bringing in at least one high end recruit each season? I have no doubt that WB will be All-League before he graduates. He's going to be a stud!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 16:30:08 GMT -5
It's not the size of your fandom that matters. It's how you use it. I just wet myself laughing....... Hilarious!
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