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Post by Tony on Mar 31, 2013 4:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by gorvy on Mar 31, 2013 5:40:05 GMT -5
What sets this program apart from the rest of the programs in the maac is our highs have been way higher. This is not luck but a combination of good leadership and strong fan support and corporate sponsorship. The article makes it seem like we are not as good as Niagara, and that can't be further from the truth. If Hoopjunkie's theory is right, the reason why we are cyclical is not because of "injuries" as Hewitt said, but because up and coming coaches don't want to follow a successful coach. So when we stink, it is easier to get a "winner" whereas when a good coach leaves, we struggle to find a good candidate. I find it hard to believe that these coaches are so chicken "sh*t, but it does provide an explanation. At any rate, I'd much rather have 3 glory years followed by 3 depressing years than 6 years of ho-hum basketball.
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Post by Tony on Mar 31, 2013 6:01:48 GMT -5
Personally I think that explanation is a Mitch Buonaguro type excuse. Siena hasn’t made good hiring choices – Beyer was horrible, Lanier- I’ll give them a pass on that one he had a great resume coming in, but he was a bad hire. And Mitch is probably their biggest all time coaching blunder.
All the successful Mid majors have gone through coaching changes and all the successful ones have been able to make good choices. How many coaches has Xavier had in last 15 years? Since the time Fran was hired at Siena VCU has had 3 coaches each one building on the last- Capel, Grant and now Smart. Creighton loses Dana Altman and goes out and hires McDermott . Before 1996 nobody ever heard of Butler- they went from Collier- Thad Matta- Licther to Brad Stevens. Hell even Vermont since 2004 has gone from Brennan to Lonergan to Becker and thru it all won 20 games most years. SO don’t tell me when you lose a successful head coach you can’t replace them. It can be done
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Post by section2 on Mar 31, 2013 6:04:01 GMT -5
It's definitely about bad coaching choices. Or an amazing coincidence that the good coaches don't have as many personnel problems. And we all know there are several mid majors who have no problem continuing to make good hires.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 31, 2013 6:37:23 GMT -5
Personally I think that explanation is a Mitch Buonaguro type excuse. Siena hasn’t made good hiring choices – Beyer was horrible, Lanier- I’ll give them a pass on that one he had a great resume coming in, but he was a bad hire. And Mitch is probably their biggest all time coaching blunder. All the successful Mid majors have gone through coaching changes and all the successful ones have been able to make good choices. How many coaches has Xavier had in last 15 years? Since the time Fran was hired at Siena VCU has had 3 coaches each one building on the last- Capel, Grant and now Smart. Creighton loses Dana Altman and goes out and hires McDermott . Before 1996 nobody ever heard of Butler- they went from Collier- Thad Matta- Licther to Brad Stevens. Hell even Vermont since 2004 has gone from Brennan to Lonergan to Becker and thru it all won 20 games most years. SO don’t tell me when you lose a successful head coach you can’t replace them. It can be done Hopefully, Darg sees this post. No more excuses. |
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Post by MTS on Mar 31, 2013 8:32:06 GMT -5
Siena is 313-277 (.530) since 1994 (After Mike Deane left) with 5 NCAA tournaments (2 Round 32 app.) and 2 NITs (3 wins)
Lanier was as close to a Magarity or Will Brown...he was 58-70 overall with 2 postseason and Siena booted him. That is the sliver lining we've had some duds but they are removed quickly (no choice with the fan base at Siena)
And I will take Siena over the last 20 years over Niagara - not even close.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 31, 2013 8:53:18 GMT -5
That is the sliver lining we've had some duds but they are removed quickly (no choice with the fan base at Siena) What does this mean with regard to the fans? I think Siena has a great fan base. It seems like a not so subtle insult to some fans, I just don't understand its placement in your post. |
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Post by MTS on Mar 31, 2013 9:01:53 GMT -5
That is the sliver lining we've had some duds but they are removed quickly (no choice with the fan base at Siena) What does this mean with regard to the fans? I think Siena has a great fan base. It seems like a not so subtle insult to some fans, I just don't understand its placement in your post. Not an insult at all - in fact praise for our fanbase. Without a loud and demanding fanbase the admin could allow coaches like a Lanier to linger. Look at Canisius, Marist and Manhattan - they've had coaches that lasted way longer than they should have. Siena is very BCS like in that if you don't get it done after three seasons you're outta here... we just have to start picking better coaches when a successful coach leaves...the Siena admin have to get this one right - Toole, Rhoades or Patsos - get us the right guy and lets start being a top mid-major program again! |
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 31, 2013 9:13:01 GMT -5
I believe the issue w/ Mitch was we really didn't look (conduct an extensive search) and the hire was made through Mitch colored glasses! Siena has to avoid hiring coaches that are victims of the Peter Principle!
I believe Toole and Rhoades are two fine candidates and would very happy w/ either.
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Post by Papi on Mar 31, 2013 9:20:12 GMT -5
They need to go BCS transfer and JUCO all americans whenever they can to keep a solid group of players when recruiting is a little on the downside. It's how Gregg Marshall has Wichita St. in the Final Four and how he got there from Winthrop, now he can basically name where he wants to coach and how much he wants.
If a coach is hired and doesnt have this mindset they will be left in the dust when and if they go to the A10 and if they remain in the MAAC they will continue to have wild cycles.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 31, 2013 9:26:04 GMT -5
What does this mean with regard to the fans? I think Siena has a great fan base. It seems like a not so subtle insult to some fans, I just don't understand its placement in your post. Not an insult at all - in fact praise for our fanbase. Without a loud and demanding fanbase the admin could allow coaches like a Lanier to linger. Look at Canisius, Marist and Manhattan - they've had coaches that lasted way longer than they should have. Siena is very BCS like in that if you don't get it done after three seasons you're outta here... we just have to start picking better coaches when a successful coach leaves...the Siena admin have to get this one right - Toole, Rhoades or Patsos - get us the right guy and lets start being a top mid-major program again! Great point MTS. Another mark of a successful program, even though our local media doesn't seem to like it, is that we have passionate fans who demand a successful program for our money, and the Admin is willing to listen to that and make changes faster than other programs (although sometimes not fast enough to our liking lol). I give a lot of credit to the admin for all the good hires, and like others have said, if the admin can more consistently make great decisions this program has a chance to succeed at a higher level. One other thing that I would like to point out is that none of the other choices we were involved with after Fran left set the world on fire (Coen, Warren (I still like him), etc. Doesn't mean that there wasn't somebody else that should have been considered but I am struggling to name one. I did let my opinion known about Marshall after Orr left and every Lanier year, but I can't remember thinking of a "sure bet" last time around. Does anyone who think D'Arg made a horrible decision have any names he should have hired after Fran left??? |
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Post by Tony on Mar 31, 2013 9:37:39 GMT -5
Siena is 313-277 (.530) since 1994 (After Mike Deane left) with 5 NCAA tournaments (2 Round 32 app.) and 2 NITs (3 wins) Lanier was as close to a Magarity or Will Brown...he was 58-70 overall with 2 postseason and Siena booted him. That is the sliver lining we've had some duds but they are removed quickly (no choice with the fan base at Siena) And I will take Siena over the last 20 years over Niagara - not even close. MTS take a break from posting you are on overload..too much with coach and possible conf switch |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 9:55:42 GMT -5
Siena is 313-277 (.530) since 1994 (After Mike Deane left) with 5 NCAA tournaments (2 Round 32 app.) and 2 NITs (3 wins) Lanier was as close to a Magarity or Will Brown...he was 58-70 overall with 2 postseason and Siena booted him. That is the sliver lining we've had some duds but they are removed quickly (no choice with the fan base at Siena) And I will take Siena over the last 20 years over Niagara - not even close. MTS take a break from posting you are on overload..too much with coach and possible conf switch It's an addiction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 31, 2013 9:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 31, 2013 10:20:35 GMT -5
What does this mean with regard to the fans? I think Siena has a great fan base. It seems like a not so subtle insult to some fans, I just don't understand its placement in your post. Not an insult at all - in fact praise for our fanbase. Without a loud and demanding fanbase the admin could allow coaches like a Lanier to linger. Look at Canisius, Marist and Manhattan - they've had coaches that lasted way longer than they should have. Siena is very BCS like in that if you don't get it done after three seasons you're outta here... we just have to start picking better coaches when a successful coach leaves...the Siena admin have to get this one right - Toole, Rhoades or Patsos - get us the right guy and lets start being a top mid-major program again! I got it now, and I agree. |
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