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Post by Tony on Mar 29, 2013 9:26:27 GMT -5
Man I agree with Bill... lets let the process unfold. Personally I'd be happy with any of the 3, I prefer Toole, but would be happy with Jimmy.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Mar 29, 2013 11:34:34 GMT -5
Man I agree with Bill... lets let the process unfold. Personally I'd be happy with any of the 3, I prefer Toole, but would be happy with Jimmy. Completely agree. The speculation I have heard is that it's Toole's job to take or turn down. But no use having an aneurism over it, let the process play out.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 30, 2013 15:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 30, 2013 15:57:21 GMT -5
Some RMU posters think it is a lateral move. Some are more realistic and realize it is a move up. it is a move up regardless of any A10 move.
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Post by glensfalls on Mar 30, 2013 15:58:01 GMT -5
The Siena job is essentially a lateral move for Coach Toole if Siena does not obtain admission to the A10.
If Toole quits Robert Morris and comes to Siena then that will be a clear indication that an understanding exits for Siena to enter the A10 when the Big East additional A10 team(s).
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Post by MTS on Mar 30, 2013 16:05:01 GMT -5
The Siena job is essentially a lateral move for Coach Toole if Siena does not obtain admission to the A10. If Toole quits Robert Morris and comes to Siena then that will be a clear indication that an understanding exits for Siena to enter the A10 when the Big East additional A10 team(s). Even in the MAAC Siena is a big step up from RMU. RMU is a very good program but it's a low-major. They don't draw anybody and don't have the facilities. Plus, Pittsburgh runs that town along with the pro sports team. Siena is the king in Albany. Siena can be a top mid-major job especially with the right head coach. The best a coach has ever gotten out of the RMU job was Rutgers. Siena has sent coaches to Marquette, Georgia Tech and Iowa.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 30, 2013 16:11:42 GMT -5
The Siena job is essentially a lateral move for Coach Toole if Siena does not obtain admission to the A10. If Toole quits Robert Morris and comes to Siena then that will be a clear indication that an understanding exits for Siena to enter the A10 when the Big East additional A10 team(s). Uh, let me see how should I put this...... NO it's not a lateral move A10 or not! Are you kidding me!
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Post by Tony on Mar 30, 2013 16:19:14 GMT -5
The Siena job is essentially a lateral move for Coach Toole if Siena does not obtain admission to the A10. If Toole quits Robert Morris and comes to Siena then that will be a clear indication that an understanding exits for Siena to enter the A10 when the Big East additional A10 team(s). Sorry Glens falls not even close to lateral move..if you need it explained I will..
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 30, 2013 16:23:28 GMT -5
Fan loyalty can be blinding ( some posters in here have same problem ) . . . they see Rice going from RMU to Rutgers the equalizer . . . but how many NCAA wins has the NEC seen lately or BCS wins
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 30, 2013 16:25:26 GMT -5
Toole is perfectly aware of what the Siena job can do for his career if he's able to build a winning program. Plus you gotta think the potential move to the A10 is an added attraction.
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Post by glensfalls on Mar 30, 2013 18:01:27 GMT -5
The Siena job is essentially a lateral move for Coach Toole if Siena does not obtain admission to the A10. If Toole quits Robert Morris and comes to Siena then that will be a clear indication that an understanding exits for Siena to enter the A10 when the Big East additional A10 team(s). Sorry Glens falls not even close to lateral move..if you need it explained I will.. OK Tony, I accept your offer. Please explain to me how the Siena job, as a MAAC member is "not even close" (your phrase) to the Robert Morris job which has put it's last 2 coaches in the A10 and Big East. Thanks.
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Post by Tony on Mar 30, 2013 18:13:57 GMT -5
The A10 jobs were at Bonaventure and the Big East job was Rutgers- no offense to either of those schools but generally accepted as less attractive jobs in their respective conference. I won’t even get into fact Toole will get a hefty raise- at least 50% maybe double his current salary. NEC teams seldom put teams in upper echelon BCS jobs.( something Siena has done on a regular basis the last 20 years) What place do you think is set up for long term success, Robert Morris and its tiny Gym and much smaller men’s basketball budget( about half of what Siena spends on men’s BB) or Siena with the ARC/MAC ( and its new locker rooms and media center( what were they put 6 or 7 years ago?) I won’t even get into 17 million dollar practice facility that is breaking ground next spring
The ceiling is much higher at Siena and of course the money is much more lucrative – that’s why it’s not a lateral move, and the fact Andy is very interested in the position should tell you how Andy views it
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Post by psycholojets on Mar 30, 2013 23:48:08 GMT -5
The folks at RMU can think what they want but this would not be a lateral move. The MAAC is a low mid major conference rather than the low major NEC and we have the best facilities and fan support in the MAAC.
Hofstra may be a wild card if there is interest in Toole in Hempstead. They have a nice on campus facility, not that there is a lot of fan interest and I expect the CAA to land on their feet.
I liked what Patsos did at Loyola. His teams worked hard and always had a plan. And he managed to develop a deep roster at that school.
Rhoades better be long on charisma. He seems like the risk-reward choice which while being clearly is not what Mitch was still leaves me with some concerns.
Not having the opportunity to sit in a room and get a sense of which of them is the true alpha dog it is hard to say.
I hope D'Arg makes a good choice and I will get behind whoever is hired!
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 31, 2013 4:53:23 GMT -5
You know, people do sell the maac a little short. The maac may have a couple of low major schools but with a relatively consistent ranking of 13-18, it truly is mid major. Not "low" or "low-mid" as some have said. There are 32 D1 conferences. You can't get any more mid than the maac
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Post by gorvy on Mar 31, 2013 5:33:15 GMT -5
You know, people do sell the maac a little short. The maac may have a couple of low major schools but with a relatively consistent ranking of 13-18, it truly is mid major. Not "low" or "low-mid" as some have said. There are 32 D1 conferences. You can't get any more mid than the maac I agree, but you have to be an astute basketball follower to recognize that. Because of the MAAC's leadership, the general fans see unfilled high school looking gyms and awful looking tournaments, teams choking in the postseason and think NEC.
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