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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 12:50:08 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between Carpenter and King. King relies on his jumper for most of his game. Carpenter is 4 to 5 inches taller and does not. King is not a PG, is undersized as a 2, struggles finishing inside, and is a below average rebounder. Carpenter may yet be someone, like a lesser Pickett, who can do some of everything. Harris could yet become a star, but unfortunately, he is not a ballhandler nor a good shooter. I think he’ll have develop his rebounding and defense more and become a Camper type...not a true guard. I think he can do that. However, if you have 3 true versatile guards ...you play them. Ok, I like this King/Carpenter comparison/analysis better than King can’t defend statement. I agree that Carpenter being taller might ultimately be a better defender but I still believed King held his own as an undersized freshman defender this season. Yeah, maybe but as a 6ft shooting guard who neither forces TOS nor blocks shot he’s still a below average defender. He’s a solid, somewhat clutch shooter off the bench though.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 22, 2020 13:48:14 GMT -5
Ok, I like this King/Carpenter comparison/analysis better than King can’t defend statement. I agree that Carpenter being taller might ultimately be a better defender but I still believed King held his own as an undersized freshman defender this season. Yeah, maybe but as a 6ft shooting guard who neither forces TOS nor blocks shot he’s still a below average defender. He’s a solid, somewhat clutch shooter off the bench though. I guess I view King as a good on the ball defender who’s tough even though he’s undersized. I thought he drew some chargers or caused his offensive guy to turn the ball over when he tried to get passed King.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 13:59:44 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe but as a 6ft shooting guard who neither forces TOS nor blocks shot he’s still a below average defender. He’s a solid, somewhat clutch shooter off the bench though. I guess I view King as a good on the ball defender who’s tough even though he’s undersized. I thought he drew some chargers or caused his offensive guy to turn the ball over when he tried to get passed King. Siena’s overall defense was below average. Ok D for Siena is not ok overall. The D ended at 236 out of 353 in Kenpom. Offense at 87 and overall 145. If Siena wants to be a top 100 team which I think is achievable...they’re going to have bring the D at least to around 150th or so. Replacing Burns’ offense will likely need to be a group effort...just to keep it where it is. Siena needs to improve on D to have the biggest effect on improving overall. Hopefully a large part of that impact on D also comes from the center position as Burns was meh in that regard. Might see better defensive rebounding and better interior D..
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Post by Tony on Mar 22, 2020 14:38:13 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between Carpenter and King. King relies on his jumper for most of his game. Carpenter is 4 to 5 inches taller and does not. King is not a PG, is undersized as a 2, struggles finishing inside, and is a below average rebounder. Carpenter may yet be someone, like a lesser Pickett, who can do some of everything. Harris could yet become a star, but unfortunately, he is not a ballhandler nor a good shooter. I think he’ll have develop his rebounding and defense more and become a Camper type...not a true guard. I think he can do that. However, if you have 3 true versatile guards ...you play them. Ok, I like this King/Carpenter comparison/analysis better than King can’t defend statement. I agree that Carpenter being taller might ultimately be a better defender but I still believed King held his own as an undersized freshman defender this season. Jordan was fundamentally very sound defensively- he at times got overpowered, and at times had problems fighting thru screens. A year of maturity along with a off season in weight room will help remedy that
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Post by Tony on Mar 22, 2020 14:43:20 GMT -5
I guess I view King as a good on the ball defender who’s tough even though he’s undersized. I thought he drew some chargers or caused his offensive guy to turn the ball over when he tried to get passed King. Siena’s overall defense was below average. Ok D for Siena is not ok overall. The D ended at 236 out of 353 in Kenpom. Offense at 87 and overall 145. If Siena wants to be a top 100 team which I think is achievable...they’re going to have bring the D at least to around 150th or so. Replacing Burns’ offense will likely need to be a group effort...just to keep it where it is. Siena needs to improve on D to have the biggest effect on improving overall. Hopefully a large part of that impact on D also comes from the center position as Burns was meh in that regard. Might see better defensive rebounding and better interior D.. Siena's defense got considerably better the last 15 games of season. I expect it to continue to improve next year as Siena should be deeper, so they can rotate fresh bodies and not lose a tremendous amount on offensive side of the ball. Toward end of year Siena had times when they actually increased lead with Pickett or Burns on bench- something that seldom( if ever) happened first half of the year
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 14:51:06 GMT -5
Siena’s overall defense was below average. Ok D for Siena is not ok overall. The D ended at 236 out of 353 in Kenpom. Offense at 87 and overall 145. If Siena wants to be a top 100 team which I think is achievable...they’re going to have bring the D at least to around 150th or so. Replacing Burns’ offense will likely need to be a group effort...just to keep it where it is. Siena needs to improve on D to have the biggest effect on improving overall. Hopefully a large part of that impact on D also comes from the center position as Burns was meh in that regard. Might see better defensive rebounding and better interior D.. Siena's defense got considerably better the last 15 games of season. I expect it to continue to improve next year as Siena should be deeper, so they can rotate fresh bodies and not lose a tremendous amount on offensive side of the ball. Toward end of year Siena had times when they actually increased lead with Pickett or Burns on bench- something that seldom( if ever) happened first half of the year Young has better defensive and rebounding metrics than Burns...for what it’s worth. Young is the best rebounder and shot blocker on the team...if rates are any indication. 47 blks and 47 stls per 1,000 mins. (I’d expect steals would fall.) 9.94 rebs per 30 mins... Burns was nowhere near any of those rates.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Mar 22, 2020 15:42:41 GMT -5
An interesting stats look using T-Rank (basically KenPom but free and has the ability to sort by timeframe):
From 2/3 on (so during our 10 game win streak), Siena was the 97th-best team in the country. In that stretch, Siena was 97th nationally in offensive efficiency and 129th nationally in defensive efficiency.
Adding more athletes like Tate, Carpenter, and Golson should only help our defense, and hopefully a grad transfer big and the Pickett bump helps minimize the loss of Burns on our offensive efficiency.
I think both of those numbers are reasonable targets for next year’s club with the opportunity to climb closer to top 75 nationally overall with the right grad kid and another year of implementing our system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 15:53:43 GMT -5
An interesting stats look using T-Rank (basically KenPom but free and has the ability to sort by timeframe): From 2/3 on (so during our 10 game win streak), Siena was the 97th-best team in the country. In that stretch, Siena was 97th nationally in offensive efficiency and 129th nationally in defensive efficiency. Adding more athletes like Tate, Carpenter, and Golson should only help our defense, and hopefully a grad transfer big and the Pickett bump helps minimize the loss of Burns on our offensive efficiency. I think both of those numbers are reasonable targets for next year’s club with the opportunity to climb closer to top 75 nationally overall with the right grad kid and another year of implementing our system. If Young improves his FT shooting to at least 65%, ups his finishing ability a bit, and fouls less...you might not lose tooo much if he maintains his rebound and block rates. D could improve and get a few more possessions with couple extra rebounds. You’d just miss the explosiveness in the Pickett and Roll that is hard to quantify down the stretch in games. You might get it back with guys like Golson and BK though. I’m sure he won’t be strong enough yet but BK seems to have great footwork in traffic and enough agility and athleticism to be really good coming off a pick and roll. Think they both probably are quicker off the bounce and have better handles than Burns as well. Both should be better in transition. Burns was mostly a ghost in transition. Nobody is gonna be as efficient as Burns no matter what though. We just need to accept that. There will be trade offs that help us though.
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Post by MTS on Mar 22, 2020 16:36:17 GMT -5
An interesting stats look using T-Rank (basically KenPom but free and has the ability to sort by timeframe): From 2/3 on (so during our 10 game win streak), Siena was the 97th-best team in the country. In that stretch, Siena was 97th nationally in offensive efficiency and 129th nationally in defensive efficiency. Adding more athletes like Tate, Carpenter, and Golson should only help our defense, and hopefully a grad transfer big and the Pickett bump helps minimize the loss of Burns on our offensive efficiency. I think both of those numbers are reasonable targets for next year’s club with the opportunity to climb closer to top 75 nationally overall with the right grad kid and another year of implementing our system. Obviously we’ll never know but had we won the last two games in the MAAC tournament and went to the NCAA tournament Siena would’ve been a dangerous 15 seed. Next year hopefully when we go to the dance we can get a 11-13 seed and really do some damage!
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 22, 2020 17:59:16 GMT -5
I think the returning players will start the season eager to get the NCAA bid that eluded them last season. But whether they accomplish that remains to be seen because this is once again going to be a new-look team. The loss of Burns is going to hurt more than people think. How many times did he bail the team out last season when nothing else was clicking? I don't expect any one player at the 5 to replicate his output and leadership, so that slack needs to be made up elsewhere. Tate has potential on paper, but he hasn't exactly displayed star numbers so far in his career despite decent minutes. I think it's unwise to expect him to step right in and be Burns 2.0. Next, depth may be an issue again because once again the bench is going to be heavily reliant on freshmen. I know everyone is high on the frosh class, but they will still be rookies and can be expected to play as such to begin the season. So this may again be a team that doesn't put it all together until a couple of months in. The talent will be there, but experience and chemistry will be an issue while incorporating 5 or 6 new players. Looking around the MAAC, as things stand so far no one should present much of a challenge to Siena except SPU and maybe Iona. Quinny has already lost Marfo and Kelly, and Salnave appears to be teetering on the edge at Monmouth. Who knows what Pitino will bring in at Iona, but I expect them to be a year away from giving Siena trouble as they rebuild (reload?) half their roster and then get them to learn to play together. But you never know with them. That leaves SPU. They had a great frosh class, and if they all make a sophomore jump and develop an offense, they're going to be a problem. With two first teamers and 4 starters overall returning, I expect Siena to be picked first. They won't be sneaking up on anyone this time and they're going to get everyone's best shot every game. SPU will be coming for them. I expect Pitino to have something special up his sleeve too. So they better be ready for what's coming their way. Lets say the starting lineup is: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper and Young. The bench would be, assuming we get the 5th year center everyone is pretty sure is coming, a 4th year forward (Tate), a Soph (King) and a prep guard (Carpenter) that has practiced the last 3 months with the team, and the 5th year center off the bench. Only true freshman we'd need to "count on"are the two forwards from Detroit/Chicago. I think we have a very experienced team coming back. Maybe I missed something, but is Pickett definitely coming back for sure?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 22, 2020 18:19:38 GMT -5
Lets say the starting lineup is: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper and Young. The bench would be, assuming we get the 5th year center everyone is pretty sure is coming, a 4th year forward (Tate), a Soph (King) and a prep guard (Carpenter) that has practiced the last 3 months with the team, and the 5th year center off the bench. Only true freshman we'd need to "count on"are the two forwards from Detroit/Chicago. I think we have a very experienced team coming back. Maybe I missed something, but is Pickett definitely coming back for sure? Where's he going?
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Post by rizman on Mar 22, 2020 18:32:24 GMT -5
JK is small and can get posted up, but we had no one with quicker feet keeping their man in front last year. I hope our new guys are great. Just really hoping for a Firefly type potential down the road. JK=TF freshmen year? Stats guys?
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Post by MTS on Mar 22, 2020 19:40:34 GMT -5
Lets say the starting lineup is: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper and Young. The bench would be, assuming we get the 5th year center everyone is pretty sure is coming, a 4th year forward (Tate), a Soph (King) and a prep guard (Carpenter) that has practiced the last 3 months with the team, and the 5th year center off the bench. Only true freshman we'd need to "count on"are the two forwards from Detroit/Chicago. I think we have a very experienced team coming back. Maybe I missed something, but is Pickett definitely coming back for sure? Almost certainly. He might test the waters but probably not because it will be a limited process this year if they have it at all. Next year will be interesting if he has an outstanding junior year and makes a run to the NCAA then he might stay in. That’s OK Carm is recruiting at a very high level.
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Mar 22, 2020 19:44:28 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but is Pickett definitely coming back for sure? Where's he going? He came close to leaving for the league last year.
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 22, 2020 21:37:25 GMT -5
He came close to leaving for the league last year. I disagree. Based on all that was published he had no intention of entering the NBA draft but did utilize his 1 of 2 opportunities to gain valuable feedback on areas of improvement. That being said, with the unknown NBA situation this spring; I would find it hard to believe Jalen wastes he’s 2nd freebie. I would assume Jalen uses his 2nd nba freebie consult at the end of his Jr season do he’ll have a better idea what he’ll need to show in his Sr season at Siena so that he’s better prepared for the nba draft or Euro league after he graduates Siena. JMO.
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