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Post by OneIndian on Dec 4, 2019 9:43:01 GMT -5
Wins? ??........unless we get Boise St or Belmont, we will be very hard pressed to beat any of the others.........and we have no experienced frontcourt talent to even sniff an upset........don’t get me wrong, love that we are playing in this event, but realistically it is not likely we pull any surprises based upon what we have coming back in terms of inside strength.......... Way too early to tell and we don't even know our full roster but as it stands now we will have great guards and the staff continues to add talent. Of course it would be an upset to beat a Power-5 team (when is it not really?) but the fact is playing well on a neutral floor gives you an opportunity (very hard on the road Evansville and SFA not withstanding). Pickett is a ?, no Burns, most likely a bunch of freshman on the roster, a sophomore class that hasn’t proven anything yet & an early in the year tournament. That’s not exactly a recipe for success and it doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies right now for success early on. We’ll see how things shape up, but we could be looking at a very young and inexperienced roster. That’s a solid tournament, talking wins? IDK.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 9:47:59 GMT -5
It's gonna be tough for any MAAC team to get a good seed coming out of this conference as it's been lately.
As of right now, I don't particularly see the conference getting that much better next year. It may get slightly better but not likely back into the top 20 like we're used to.
Rider - Jordan and Marshall graduate and while McKeithan could be a decent replacement for Jordan..he'll be a frosh.
Iona - Crawford, Agee, and Perez graduate from Iona so they'll need to reload some...and then there's the Cluess issue.
Quinny - They only lose Falzon but they will never truly compete for a title with that defense. The defense won't improve as long as Kelly and Rigoni are starting. There's also no proof Dunleavy knows how to even coach a defense.
Canisius - Malik Johnson graduates
It's gonna be tough for the top teams to build upon this year. Some of the middle might rise up a bit but guys like Traore, Paulicap, Taliaferro etc.. are also graduating.
Aside from Pickett, there won't be a lot of experienced 2 way impact PGs in the league next year. Kelly, Washington, Stewart, Green (FF), Toatley/Salnave, etc.. will be your top PGs.
They aren't an overly intimidating bunch. All have some major weakness as PGs. It doesn't seem like a group that's gonna lead the MAAC back to glory. Getting a good tourney seed coming out of the MAAC won't be easy.
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Post by $cott on Dec 4, 2019 9:56:49 GMT -5
Way too early to tell and we don't even know our full roster but as it stands now we will have great guards and the staff continues to add talent. Of course it would be an upset to beat a Power-5 team (when is it not really?) but the fact is playing well on a neutral floor gives you an opportunity (very hard on the road Evansville and SFA not withstanding). Pickett is ?, no Burns, most likely a bunch of freshman on the roster, a sophomore class that hasn’t proven anything yet & an early in the year tournament. That’s not exactly a recipe for success and it doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies right now for success early on. We’ll see how thing shape up, but we could be looking at a very young and inexperienced roster. That’s a solid tournament, talking wins? IDK. The tournament is structured with a loser's bracket. Most likely we are fed to Michigan State or Gonzaga first round which then puts us in the losers bracket with the likes of Belmont and Boise State. Still very tough games but not impossible to come away with a win or even two on a neutral court if Pickett is back. Without Pickett any win would be tough. And yes, the current freshman need to take a huge jump the rest of this season and the incoming freshman need to be as advertised or we are basically this year's team without Burns which won't be pretty. I have faith that Harris will figure things out and Carpenter will be ready from day one. Rest I am hopeful on but not as confident on as those other two.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 10:40:42 GMT -5
If Pickett/Carey/Camper are all still here and healthy...I think Siena is the favorite for next year...as of now.
They need to recruit another guard and an athletic big.
I think Carpenter will be solid. He may not be an immediate superstar as a frosh but all he needs to do is put up like 9 points a game with that crew. I think he can probably do that.
At center, if they get another athletic big who can rebound/defend, then they should have all the options they need there. With that plus BK, Friday, Golson, and Young..I think they'll find enough inside presence to get by...with a various array of skillsets to choose from.
Nobody will likely immediately replace Burns on offense. However, you might improve the interior D and rebounding. The 2 might offset each some.
Then they'd just need another guard to step up off the bench and they'll be set.
After those big 3, there will be 100 mins a game to throw around and sell to recruits. That means 5 or 6 other guys are gonna be getting pretty decent minutes. Minutes are ripe for the taking for anyone who steps up.
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Post by glen on Dec 4, 2019 10:59:55 GMT -5
KK - I picked us 3-6 OOC so I'm not worried yet this year but this Pickett situation is a concern. I think before we starting talking about next year's favorites we should start rockin' and rollin' this year. Harris was all world over the summer and is seeing spotty time. Right now I seen no reason we should be picked higher than 3 or 4.
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Post by greengold4ever on Dec 4, 2019 11:07:13 GMT -5
If Pickett/Carey/Camper are all still here and healthy...I think Siena is the favorite for next year...as of now. They need to recruit another guard and an athletic big. I think Carpenter will be solid. He may not be an immediate superstar as a frosh but all he needs to do is put up like 9 points a game with that crew. I think he can probably do that. At center, if they get another athletic big who can rebound/defend, then they should have all the options they need there. With that plus BK, Friday, Golson, and Young..I think they'll find enough inside presence to get by...with a various array of skillsets to choose from. Nobody will likely immediately replace Burns on offense. However, you might improve the interior D and rebounding. The 2 might offset each some. Then they'd just need another guard to step up off the bench and they'll be set. After those big 3, there will be 100 mins a game to throw around and sell to recruits. That means 5 or 6 other guys are gonna be getting pretty decent minutes. Minutes are ripe for the taking for anyone who steps up. scratch Friday.................please................
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 11:16:32 GMT -5
KK - I picked us 3-6 OOC so I'm not worried yet this year but this Pickett situation is a concern. I think before we starting talking about next year's favorites we should start rockin' and rollin' this year. Harris was all world over the summer and is seeing spotty time. Right now I seen no reason we should be picked higher than 3 or 4. I had a 4-5 OOC and a 3rd place finish for this year. It's still possible Saints end the OOC at 5-5 and are ahead of the pace. The key to this year was always that 5th starter and 1st guard off the bench. Neither one of those questions have really been answered yet. We'll hopefully start to see if things will turn around as the schedule gets easier and we find ourselves at home more. Also, we know that Pickett and Co. will probably take care of the ball a lot better going forward than they have so far. However, going forward, it is my guess is that in losing Hein and gaining Carpenter and another guard or 2, plus a year of experience...that the guard depth/contributions will be a lot better next year than it is now. I know people had high hopes for Harris for this year but really he was always a wild card because we never knew if he could really shoot outside of one isolated set of AAU games. And since he's not a PG/combo type...I figured he'd be a little turn over prone and iffy with the handle as well. That is why I hoped him to be like guys like Beamon and Vaughn. These are athletic though turnover prone wings with toughness. I hope he'll find himself a bit more as the year goes on and better learn how to contribute. Even Beamon was horrible as a frosh. He's got a lot of upside...just might have to be patient for it to show itself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 11:18:22 GMT -5
If Pickett/Carey/Camper are all still here and healthy...I think Siena is the favorite for next year...as of now. They need to recruit another guard and an athletic big. I think Carpenter will be solid. He may not be an immediate superstar as a frosh but all he needs to do is put up like 9 points a game with that crew. I think he can probably do that. At center, if they get another athletic big who can rebound/defend, then they should have all the options they need there. With that plus BK, Friday, Golson, and Young..I think they'll find enough inside presence to get by...with a various array of skillsets to choose from. Nobody will likely immediately replace Burns on offense. However, you might improve the interior D and rebounding. The 2 might offset each some. Then they'd just need another guard to step up off the bench and they'll be set. After those big 3, there will be 100 mins a game to throw around and sell to recruits. That means 5 or 6 other guys are gonna be getting pretty decent minutes. Minutes are ripe for the taking for anyone who steps up. scratch Friday.................please................ That may very well happen. I think this could end up being a very big class. Perhaps like 5-6 new players.
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Post by greengold4ever on Dec 4, 2019 11:33:16 GMT -5
scratch Friday.................please................ That may very well happen. I think this could end up being a very big class. Perhaps like 5-6 new players. it has to be, we need an influx of more talent & shooters for sure................
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 11:50:45 GMT -5
That may very well happen. I think this could end up being a very big class. Perhaps like 5-6 new players. it has to be, we need an influx of more talent & shooters for sure................ Definitely need a shooter...and preferably one that has at least 1 or 2 other strengths. Shooting is always a wild card though...especially for freshmen. I like with getting a guy who can handle, get to the rim, and defend....but has the chance to be able to shoot. At least then the downside of the player isn't as big. However, if I guy just looks like THAT good of a shooter that he'd help and he can only do 1 other thing...you might still take him for this team. We're just desperate for another perimeter threat. Losing both Richard and Seymour hurt. We went from having all kinds of shooting to very little. And, though none of the 3 are currently shooting particularly well either, losing Walker, Webster, and Dunn definitely hurt as well. These guys were additional athletic ball handlers/passers that we really could have used.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 4, 2019 12:46:23 GMT -5
It's gonna be tough for any MAAC team to get a good seed coming out of this conference as it's been lately. As of right now, I don't particularly see the conference getting that much better next year. It may get slightly better but not likely back into the top 20 like we're used to. Rider - Jordan and Marshall graduate and while McKeithan could be a decent replacement for Jordan..he'll be a frosh. Iona - Crawford, Agee, and Perez graduate from Iona so they'll need to reload some...and then there's the Cluess issue. Quinny - They only lose Falzon but they will never truly compete for a title with that defense. The defense won't improve as long as Kelly and Rigoni are starting. There's also no proof Dunleavy knows how to even coach a defense. Canisius - Malik Johnson graduates It's gonna be tough for the top teams to build upon this year. Some of the middle might rise up a bit but guys like Traore, Paulicap, Taliaferro etc.. are also graduating. Aside from Pickett, there won't be a lot of experienced 2 way impact PGs in the league next year. Kelly, Washington, Stewart, Green (FF), Toatley/Salnave, etc.. will be your top PGs. They aren't an overly intimidating bunch. All have some major weakness as PGs. It doesn't seem like a group that's gonna lead the MAAC back to glory. Getting a good tourney seed coming out of the MAAC won't be easy. You are looking at the players. Now ask yourself why the maac is consistently in the 20s when it used to be in the 10s. Could it be the coaching? Lack of commitment? Too many teams? Lack of cohesive and beneficial scheduling strategy? Bottom line is something is wrong...not just the players who come and go at will.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 4, 2019 12:55:14 GMT -5
It's gonna be tough for any MAAC team to get a good seed coming out of this conference as it's been lately. As of right now, I don't particularly see the conference getting that much better next year. It may get slightly better but not likely back into the top 20 like we're used to. Rider - Jordan and Marshall graduate and while McKeithan could be a decent replacement for Jordan..he'll be a frosh. Iona - Crawford, Agee, and Perez graduate from Iona so they'll need to reload some...and then there's the Cluess issue. Quinny - They only lose Falzon but they will never truly compete for a title with that defense. The defense won't improve as long as Kelly and Rigoni are starting. There's also no proof Dunleavy knows how to even coach a defense. Canisius - Malik Johnson graduates It's gonna be tough for the top teams to build upon this year. Some of the middle might rise up a bit but guys like Traore, Paulicap, Taliaferro etc.. are also graduating. Aside from Pickett, there won't be a lot of experienced 2 way impact PGs in the league next year. Kelly, Washington, Stewart, Green (FF), Toatley/Salnave, etc.. will be your top PGs. They aren't an overly intimidating bunch. All have some major weakness as PGs. It doesn't seem like a group that's gonna lead the MAAC back to glory. Getting a good tourney seed coming out of the MAAC won't be easy. You are looking at the players. Now ask yourself why the maac is consistently in the 20s when it used to be in the 10s. Could it be the coaching? Lack of commitment? Too many teams? Lack of cohesive and beneficial scheduling strategy? Bottom line is something is wrong...not just the players who come and go at will. Off the top of my head. A few factors; 1.$$$$ 2.Commitment 3.Number of teams 4.Vision 5.Coaching
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 13:10:36 GMT -5
It's gonna be tough for any MAAC team to get a good seed coming out of this conference as it's been lately. As of right now, I don't particularly see the conference getting that much better next year. It may get slightly better but not likely back into the top 20 like we're used to. Rider - Jordan and Marshall graduate and while McKeithan could be a decent replacement for Jordan..he'll be a frosh. Iona - Crawford, Agee, and Perez graduate from Iona so they'll need to reload some...and then there's the Cluess issue. Quinny - They only lose Falzon but they will never truly compete for a title with that defense. The defense won't improve as long as Kelly and Rigoni are starting. There's also no proof Dunleavy knows how to even coach a defense. Canisius - Malik Johnson graduates It's gonna be tough for the top teams to build upon this year. Some of the middle might rise up a bit but guys like Traore, Paulicap, Taliaferro etc.. are also graduating. Aside from Pickett, there won't be a lot of experienced 2 way impact PGs in the league next year. Kelly, Washington, Stewart, Green (FF), Toatley/Salnave, etc.. will be your top PGs. They aren't an overly intimidating bunch. All have some major weakness as PGs. It doesn't seem like a group that's gonna lead the MAAC back to glory. Getting a good tourney seed coming out of the MAAC won't be easy. You are looking at the players. Now ask yourself why the maac is consistently in the 20s when it used to be in the 10s. Could it be the coaching? Lack of commitment? Too many teams? Lack of cohesive and beneficial scheduling strategy? Bottom line is something is wrong...not just the players who come and go at will. Honestly, the difference between now and 10-15 years ago is simply coaching and players in my mind. A lot of the coaches don't have a great plan or a vision with regards to recruiting and style of play. They often fill a roster without a great plan. However, most notably, there has been a great inability to land quality guards. 10-15 years ago you had PGs like Frank Turner manning the point for a PIG level MAAC team. He'd lead you to a top 3 or 4 finish in the the current MAAC all by himself now. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-turner-1.htmlThe guard play has fallen off GREATLY. If I had to point to 1 thing and nothing else, it would be that.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 4, 2019 13:49:46 GMT -5
You are looking at the players. Now ask yourself why the maac is consistently in the 20s when it used to be in the 10s. Could it be the coaching? Lack of commitment? Too many teams? Lack of cohesive and beneficial scheduling strategy? Bottom line is something is wrong...not just the players who come and go at will. Honestly, the difference between now and 10-15 years ago is simply coaching and players in my mind. A lot of the coaches don't have a great plan or a vision with regards to recruiting and style of play. They often fill a roster without a great plan. However, most notably, there has been a great inability to land quality guards. 10-15 years ago you had PGs like Frank Turner manning the point for a PIG level MAAC team. He'd lead you to a top 3 or 4 finish in the the current MAAC all by himself now. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-turner-1.htmlThe guard play has fallen off GREATLY. If I had to point to 1 thing and nothing else, it would be that. Some programs are financially strapped which impacts the institutions ability and willingness to commit to the athletic programs, which impacts the quality of coach, which has a negative impact on recruiting etc...... when it comes down to funding athletics or keeping the doors open at this level you get what we’ve been seeing. The other issue is that Ensor lacks any kind of vision.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 4, 2019 14:07:48 GMT -5
Which programs?
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