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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 17:43:25 GMT -5
Tony, you and KK should "get a room" - sheesh!!! his analytics are beyond tiring - he compares apples to oranges and then concludes grapes are the favorite... Thank you for your contribution.
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Post by Tony on Oct 17, 2019 17:56:12 GMT -5
We can agree to disagree Marfo isnt a big shot blocker- and again dont be fooled against Canada teams- most of which are D2/D3 quality. Marfo has potential if and its a big "if" he can stay on the floor. He scored in double figures 4 times last year- all against low major teams- he didnt score in double figures against any MAAC teams he only avg 3.5 ppg in conference play- I would hope Elijah can do much better than that- again the object is to outscore the other team- if you cant score, cant stay on floor more than 20 min a game hard to give him an edge- but to each their own Marfo is historically a better shotblocker than Burns. Doesn't mean he's great or even good at it. Just means he's better. We're talking head to head here. Marfo has averaged 11.8 points, 15.1 rebounds, and 1.2 blks per 40 mins in D1. Burns has averaged 9.9 points, 9.2 rebounds, and 0.5 blks per 40 mins in D1. I'm already giving Burns a bump on his offensive skills from playing with Pickett in the MAAC. Burns gets an advantage on scoring and not fouling as much. Marfo..just about everywhere else. I'm giving Burns the benefit of the doubt in that he'll keep this match up close and outscore Marfo. I just don't think he'll outdo Marfo in other areas. Again, I'm just saying I think that OVERALL the match up is closer than you think is all. Cmon now you are comparing 40 min stats from a guy playing in MAAC vs a guy in ACC lol... How did Joe Cremo's stats translate from Albany to Villanova last year= lets see he went from 20.2 points per 40 At Alb to 9.7 per 40 at Nova- his shooting pct went down across the board due to higher level of competition. You absolutely cannot draw a valid comparison on points per 40 min from ACC to MAAC. As big a difference there is for a guard its even a much bigger jump for big men And I wont even get into using 40 min stat for a guy that struggles to play 20 min because of foul trouble. Sorry KK your stats failed you in that comparison. Unless Marfo drastically improves his scoring and limits his fouls ( which you have no way of knowing) its not even close- up to this point in his career Marfo at the MAAC level can only rebound- he is a foul prone rebounding machine that cant score or stay in game.. Sorry KK not picking up what you are throwing down on MArfo- going into season noway I'd say he is better than Burns-- but the good thing is we shall see in a few weeks
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Post by Tony on Oct 17, 2019 18:06:14 GMT -5
Tony, you and KK should "get a room" - sheesh!!! his analytics are beyond tiring - he compares apples to oranges and then concludes grapes are the favorite... Its the off season 2 and half weeks and we get the real thing!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 18:16:25 GMT -5
Marfo is historically a better shotblocker than Burns. Doesn't mean he's great or even good at it. Just means he's better. We're talking head to head here. Marfo has averaged 11.8 points, 15.1 rebounds, and 1.2 blks per 40 mins in D1. Burns has averaged 9.9 points, 9.2 rebounds, and 0.5 blks per 40 mins in D1. I'm already giving Burns a bump on his offensive skills from playing with Pickett in the MAAC. Burns gets an advantage on scoring and not fouling as much. Marfo..just about everywhere else. I'm giving Burns the benefit of the doubt in that he'll keep this match up close and outscore Marfo. I just don't think he'll outdo Marfo in other areas. Again, I'm just saying I think that OVERALL the match up is closer than you think is all. Cmon now you are comparing 40 min stats from a guy playing in MAAC vs a guy in ACC lol... How did Joe Cremo's stats translate from Albany to Villanova last year= lets see he went from 20.2 points per 40 At Alb to 9.7 per 40 at Nova- his shooting pct went down across the board due to higher level of competition. You absolutely cannot draw a valid comparison on points per 40 min from ACC to MAAC. As big a difference there is for a guard its even a much bigger jump for big men And I wont even get into using 40 min stat for a guy that struggles to play 20 min because of foul trouble. Sorry KK your stats failed you in that comparison. Unless Marfo drastically improves his scoring and limits his fouls ( which you have no way of knowing) its not even close- up to this point in his career Marfo at the MAAC level can only rebound- he is a foul prone rebounding machine that cant score or stay in game.. Sorry KK not picking up what you are throwing down on MArfo- going into season noway I'd say he is better than Burns-- but the good thing is we shall see in a few weeks Just playing devil's advocate. Burns' best career game was against Chicago St...and almost half of his career mins came in the OOC against teams outside of the ACC. Marfo has done more to-date.
Burns has more scoring upside for sure, already said that.
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 17, 2019 19:55:03 GMT -5
Tony, you and KK should "get a room" - sheesh!!! his analytics are beyond tiring - he compares apples to oranges and then concludes grapes are the favorite... Its the off season 2 and half weeks and we get the real thing!!! The number crunching and prorating of stats is ok. I get what he does but I’ll say it for the hundredth time the game is played on the floor not paper. Analytics only gets you part way there and says zip about the intangible aspects of the game such as basketball iq, chemistry, feel for the game, character, heart, leadership, smarts, hustle and toughness. These qualities don’t show in a stat sheet but are often huge components of a teams overall success.
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Post by iskout on Oct 17, 2019 20:03:52 GMT -5
I've never understood this board's hatred of stats. During the off-season, it's literally the ONLY way to play the game. If KK drew his conclusions and never bothered to watch the games, I could see your points... But until there's actual games to play, he's the only one with a realistic expectation of what the team is capable of.
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Post by Tony on Oct 17, 2019 20:43:32 GMT -5
I've never understood this board's hatred of stats. During the off-season, it's literally the ONLY way to play the game. If KK drew his conclusions and never bothered to watch the games, I could see your points... But until there's actual games to play, he's the only one with a realistic expectation of what the team is capable of. Really? So its realistic to compare ACC stats to MAAC stats? -- see two sides to every coin. Stats certainly have their place in the game- but the truth is you can make stats say pretty much whatever you want them to. Some stats are highly overrated. So while stats can help, they are far from the end all be all of the game. And where differences can come in is how you interpret those stats BTW most of us enjoy KK's stats-- and it is the off season so maybe we get into it much deeper than we really need to and hey its fun to mix it up with KK every once in awhile, keep him on his toes
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Post by musicman on Oct 17, 2019 21:53:01 GMT -5
I've never understood this board's hatred of stats. During the off-season, it's literally the ONLY way to play the game. If KK drew his conclusions and never bothered to watch the games, I could see your points... But until there's actual games to play, he's the only one with a realistic expectation of what the team is capable of. Really? So its realistic to compare ACC stats to MAAC stats? -- see two sides to every coin. Stats certainly have their place in the game- but the truth is you can make stats say pretty much whatever you want them to. Some stats are highly overrated. So while stats can help, they are far from the end all be all of the game. And where differences can come in is how you interpret those stats BTW most of us enjoy KK's stats-- and it is the off season so maybe we get into it much deeper than we really need to and hey its fun to mix it up with KK every once in awhile, keep him on his toes I agree totally with Tony. I don't think there are any negative attitudes about KK and his "stats". All of us regulars come on here to get our "basketball fix" and the give and take between members is greatly appreciated and enjoyed. I was thinking just yesterday about how civil and positive all the discussions are this year. There are obvious reasons why of course. Just because someone disagrees with specific data being presented doesn't mean we don't appreciate its general usefulness.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 17, 2019 21:53:50 GMT -5
Piper edged out King in 3 pt shooting; second year in a row the Women’s Team beat out the Men’s Team.
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Post by rpize24 on Oct 17, 2019 22:08:13 GMT -5
Piper edged out King in 3 pt shooting; second year in a row the Women’s Team beat out the Men’s Team. King was impressive though. Hit a total of 29 in the 2 minutes given, had multiple stretches of 6 or more makes in a row
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Post by Tony on Oct 18, 2019 4:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 6:55:33 GMT -5
Its the off season 2 and half weeks and we get the real thing!!! The number crunching and prorating of stats is ok. I get what he does but I’ll say it for the hundredth time the game is played on the floor not paper. Analytics only gets you part way there and says zip about the intangible aspects of the game such as basketball iq, chemistry, feel for the game, character, heart, leadership, smarts, hustle and toughness. These qualities don’t show in a stat sheet but are often huge components of a teams overall success. Intangibles ultimately end up showing themselves in the stats. Every point scored or given up results from something. IQ, feel for the game, toughness....they all lead to a steal or rebound or shot made/missed that shows up in the stat sheet. Unless the intangible is drawing charges...it usual ends up affecting the box score in some obvious way. And, you know I watch all the games. I even watch high school games of recruits and other MAAC games. It’s not like I’m taking one without the other. I’m taking them in conjunction with each other. I’ve liked the Burns signing since the beginning because of the Pickett and roll potential. However with as much upside the guy may have, he still has to do it first. He hasn’t yet. And just cause he has certain skills and abilities other teams may have to account for doesn’t mean the same can’t be said for players on the other teams. Offensive PPG isn’t everything. Every stat affects possessions or shots made/allowed. A guy like Marfo for example gets his team a few more possessions while he’s out there. He may not drive much from the three point line but he’ll do his job and rebound/protect the ball/finish inside enough that the sum of all his contributions are solid. Siena’s main intangible is simply Jalen Pickett. Who are we kidding? And his contributions are in fact quite tangible.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 18, 2019 8:08:40 GMT -5
Piper edged out King in 3 pt shooting; second year in a row the Women’s Team beat out the Men’s Team. King was impressive though. Hit a total of 29 in the 2 minutes given, had multiple stretches of 6 or more makes in a row I agree, and the 5-6 in a row never touched the rim. If he wasn’t trying to rush some of them he looked like he could have hit 10+ in a row. Sammy even hit 8 w/in the min (and most of his missed shots appeared good just a tad too long).
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Post by dacks on Oct 18, 2019 8:43:48 GMT -5
Anyone know King's high school shooting stats? Not that those are directly translatable to college obviously, but just curious how good of a shooter he has been percentage wise in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 9:01:35 GMT -5
Anyone know King's high school shooting stats? Not that those are directly translatable to college obviously, but just curious how good of a shooter he has been percentage wise in the past. No idea. It would be nice to know. But his profile says he supposedly averaged 24.1 pts, 4.5 assists, and 4.3 rebs last year, won a POY, and scored over 1,000 career points. More than that though, I watched film of the kid and he looks like a shot maker. I think he can shoot pretty well. If anything, his shot selection might be the main reason he misses shots. The kid both takes and makes a lot of difficult contested jumpers in the mould of Nico. However, he also seems very good in the mid-range. With wide open looks, he might be even better. He's got energy but I wouldn't expect much from the kid on D or on the boards. He might have a 1 to 1 or a little better assist ratio though. I think he's kind of a Hymes/Richard hybrid. He'll drive and pass more like Hymes, but perhaps shoot closer to Richard. Maybe not over 40%, but maybe better than Hymes.
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