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Post by Tony on Oct 17, 2019 13:45:04 GMT -5
Burns has the green light to shoot 3's in Carm's offense. Now I dont think he will be taking contested 3's, but if opposing team doesnt come out to guard him Elijah will shoot. And if MAAC teams send out a lumbering big man to guard Elijah he will blow by him. Burns is going to be a mismatch for most MAAC teams As I've been saying since last year , this years team will go as far as Burns, Pickett and Carey can take them- ( might add Manny to that group) rest of the guys have to be solid role players On paper, and with disregard to Friday...I don't think Burns is dominant inside. Here's kind of how I see it. Burns vs. Agee & Co.? Edge Iona - Agee more versatile and he has a lot of helpers now...Thiam/Van Eyck/Nikolic etc. Burns vs. Scott/Marshall? Edge Rider- on 2 vs 1..both can score and rebound in complement. Scott can shoot 3's. Burns vs. Marfo? Slight Edge Quinny- Marfo is Best rebounder in the league, can score some inside when given the minutes. Burns vs. Paulicap/Williams - Push - They're better on D, Burns probably more mistake free on offense. Burns vs. Eze/Maidoh/Methnani - Burns slight edge
Burns vs. Traore - Burns slight edge on versatility .Everyone else - Edge Burns and could be significant .I certainly don't really see too many of those guys as 'lumbering'. Very few of the guys you listed are as athletic as Elijah- Guys like Burns are a dime a dozen in ACC-- but extremely rare in MAAC - now I understand this is hard for you to "gauge" since you haven't seen him play yet- but Burns is strong, athletic and runs the floor like a deer- something very rare in MAAC and biggest difference between low major conferences like the MAAC and high major conferences - where Burns ends up in MAAC ranking of big men - cant say for sure- but I'll be very surprised if half the league has better big men- Agee and maybe Paulicap come to mind. Burns is so much faster and more athletic than Scott and Marshall its not even close, same with Marfo - I get you haven't seen Elijah yet-- but as you shall see in a few weeks, going to be a tough match up for most MAAC teams
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 14:06:52 GMT -5
On paper, and with disregard to Friday...I don't think Burns is dominant inside. Here's kind of how I see it. Burns vs. Agee & Co.? Edge Iona - Agee more versatile and he has a lot of helpers now...Thiam/Van Eyck/Nikolic etc. Burns vs. Scott/Marshall? Edge Rider- on 2 vs 1..both can score and rebound in complement. Scott can shoot 3's. Burns vs. Marfo? Slight Edge Quinny- Marfo is Best rebounder in the league, can score some inside when given the minutes. Burns vs. Paulicap/Williams - Push - They're better on D, Burns probably more mistake free on offense. Burns vs. Eze/Maidoh/Methnani - Burns slight edge
Burns vs. Traore - Burns slight edge on versatility .Everyone else - Edge Burns and could be significant .I certainly don't really see too many of those guys as 'lumbering'. Very few of the guys you listed are as athletic as Elijah- Guys like Burns are a dime a dozen in ACC-- but extremely rare in MAAC - now I understand this is hard for you to "gauge" since you haven't seen him play yet- but Burns is strong, athletic and runs the floor like a deer- something very rare in MAAC and biggest difference between low major conferences like the MAAC and high major conferences - where Burns ends up in MAAC ranking of big men - cant say for sure- but I'll be very surprised if half the league has better big men- Agee and maybe Paulicap come to mind. Burns is so much faster and more athletic than Scott and Marshall its not even close, same with Marfo - I get you haven't seen Elijah yet-- but as you shall see in a few weeks, going to be a tough match up for most MAAC teams No, I've seen enough film. And I get what you're saying. I just disagree. The real difference is Burns' SKILL off the bounce for his size and athleticism. It's not pure athleticism. I mean, look at Chris Maidoh...kid looks like a 6-10 shotblocking small forward. Burns might not even have any edge there athletically...probably just strength wise. www.hudl.com/video/3/8682978/5a9abd3e5b3cce04f05ecce1And, remember, Scott (Depaul) and Marfo (GW) are both transfers from higher conferences as well. Athleticism is different than skill. Burns #1 advantage is not really his athleticism. It's his skill and the fact that Jalen Pickett and Don Carey are his pick and roll partners.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 14:18:04 GMT -5
My simple hope is that Siena's 4 and 5 positions can simply break even or come close enough to the other top teams to allow Pickett and Carey to put Siena over the top.
That's all I want out of the 4 & 5. I just want them to not lose us the game long enough to allow Pickett to win it for us.
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Post by musicman on Oct 17, 2019 14:50:20 GMT -5
Ratliff didn't strike me as a potential future starter material from what we saw of him. I think he can evolve into a reliable role player, but I'm not expecting much more than that. He bills himself as primarily being a shooter - yet he shot 30% from 3, so yeah. I'm not concerned about shooting depth. That's not going to be our game anyway, so we won't live and die by the 3 like the Iona's of the world. Carm learned under Fran and that's close to how he'll play. Like those teams this one will get points by driving to basket and either scoring or getting fouled. They'll take the 3 when it's there, but it won't be option 1. If the defenses zone us up, then you bring in King and let him fire away. Ratliff is 6-8 and quick enough to defend multiple positions. He has some defensive upside. His offensive pull up game reminded me a little of Rob Poole at times. Poole shot like 27% from 3 his first year for Siena. If his threes start falling and he's mixing in a few more drives, you never know what he could do. And you don't know yet what King or Harris will do either. How do you know how well King will shoot? Ratliff may fizzle out like Heurter or he may take a leap forward. We simply don't know. We all rooted for Tom Huerter but Ratliff is much quicker and certainly more athletic than Tom was. Jimmy also isn't going to be shy about taking his shot like Tom was. I think that drove us all crazy. I don't know how Jimmy's game is going to progress this year but I think he has grown into a confident young player eager to get his chance at playing time.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Oct 17, 2019 14:59:15 GMT -5
Very few of the guys you listed are as athletic as Elijah- Guys like Burns are a dime a dozen in ACC-- but extremely rare in MAAC - now I understand this is hard for you to "gauge" since you haven't seen him play yet- but Burns is strong, athletic and runs the floor like a deer- something very rare in MAAC and biggest difference between low major conferences like the MAAC and high major conferences - where Burns ends up in MAAC ranking of big men - cant say for sure- but I'll be very surprised if half the league has better big men- Agee and maybe Paulicap come to mind. Burns is so much faster and more athletic than Scott and Marshall its not even close, same with Marfo - I get you haven't seen Elijah yet-- but as you shall see in a few weeks, going to be a tough match up for most MAAC teams No, I've seen enough film. And I get what you're saying. I just disagree. The real difference is Burns' SKILL off the bounce for his size and athleticism. It's not pure athleticism. I mean, look at Chris Maidoh...kid looks like a 6-10 shotblocking small forward. Burns might not even have any edge there athletically...probably just strength wise. www.hudl.com/video/3/8682978/5a9abd3e5b3cce04f05ecce1And, remember, Scott (Depaul) and Marfo (GW) are both transfers from higher conferences as well. Athleticism is different than skill. Burns #1 advantage is not really his athleticism. It's his skill and the fact that Jalen Pickett and Don Carey are his pick and roll partners. Was going to say... Jalen made Fisher a top 10 player in the MAAC. He can make Elijah pretty darn good too.
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Post by $cott on Oct 17, 2019 15:08:48 GMT -5
Ratliff is 6-8 and quick enough to defend multiple positions. He has some defensive upside. His offensive pull up game reminded me a little of Rob Poole at times. Poole shot like 27% from 3 his first year for Siena. If his threes start falling and he's mixing in a few more drives, you never know what he could do. And you don't know yet what King or Harris will do either. How do you know how well King will shoot? Ratliff may fizzle out like Heurter or he may take a leap forward. We simply don't know. We all rooted for Tom Huerter but Ratliff is much quicker and certainly more athletic than Tom was. Jimmy also isn't going to be shy about taking his shot like Tom was. I think that drove us all crazy. I don't know how Jimmy's game is going to progress this year but I think he has grown into a confident young player eager to get his chance at playing time. Have been saying for a while that Ratliff reminds me a lot of Wignot. Flashes athleticism and shooting at times that make you think he can be really good but then struggles with consistency. I think it is/was a confidence thing with both of them.
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Post by musicman on Oct 17, 2019 15:09:10 GMT -5
No, I've seen enough film. And I get what you're saying. I just disagree. The real difference is Burns' SKILL off the bounce for his size and athleticism. It's not pure athleticism. I mean, look at Chris Maidoh...kid looks like a 6-10 shotblocking small forward. Burns might not even have any edge there athletically...probably just strength wise. www.hudl.com/video/3/8682978/5a9abd3e5b3cce04f05ecce1And, remember, Scott (Depaul) and Marfo (GW) are both transfers from higher conferences as well. Athleticism is different than skill. Burns #1 advantage is not really his athleticism. It's his skill and the fact that Jalen Pickett and Don Carey are his pick and roll partners. Was going to say... Jalen made Fisher a top 10 player in the MAAC. He can make Elijah pretty darn good too. Exactly! I think that combo is going to be deadly!! Burns is going to get a lot of +1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 15:21:30 GMT -5
Was going to say... Jalen made Fisher a top 10 player in the MAAC. He can make Elijah pretty darn good too. Exactly! I think that combo is going to be deadly!! Burns is going to get a lot of +1. Yes. It's Pickett PLUS Burns and his FT shooting that are the key. But I don't think either is going to be that much MORE athletic than the opposition. It's just a potentially very right combination of skills. It's the skills and how they go together that is the real potential strength.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 15:28:13 GMT -5
We all rooted for Tom Huerter but Ratliff is much quicker and certainly more athletic than Tom was. Jimmy also isn't going to be shy about taking his shot like Tom was. I think that drove us all crazy. I don't know how Jimmy's game is going to progress this year but I think he has grown into a confident young player eager to get his chance at playing time. Have been saying for a while that Ratliff reminds me a lot of Wignot. Flashes athleticism and shooting at times that make you think he can be really good but then struggles with consistency. I think it is/was a confidence thing with both of them. Wignot had an inherent robotic-ness to his offensive game. Ratliff doesn't really have that. Fact is, if Ratliff starts making his jumpers, makes a few more defensive plays, and grabs a few more rebounds....he could be a starter caliber player. Even if all he does to improve is shoot like 36% from three, he'll be a solid role player. I mean, look, Seymour shot 37% and did almost nothing else. If Ratliff does that, people will be like 'Seymour who' cause he does more and is quicker.
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Post by Tony on Oct 17, 2019 15:32:23 GMT -5
Very few of the guys you listed are as athletic as Elijah- Guys like Burns are a dime a dozen in ACC-- but extremely rare in MAAC - now I understand this is hard for you to "gauge" since you haven't seen him play yet- but Burns is strong, athletic and runs the floor like a deer- something very rare in MAAC and biggest difference between low major conferences like the MAAC and high major conferences - where Burns ends up in MAAC ranking of big men - cant say for sure- but I'll be very surprised if half the league has better big men- Agee and maybe Paulicap come to mind. Burns is so much faster and more athletic than Scott and Marshall its not even close, same with Marfo - I get you haven't seen Elijah yet-- but as you shall see in a few weeks, going to be a tough match up for most MAAC teams No, I've seen enough film. And I get what you're saying. I just disagree. The real difference is Burns' SKILL off the bounce for his size and athleticism. It's not pure athleticism. I mean, look at Chris Maidoh...kid looks like a 6-10 shotblocking small forward. Burns might not even have any edge there athletically...probably just strength wise. www.hudl.com/video/3/8682978/5a9abd3e5b3cce04f05ecce1And, remember, Scott (Depaul) and Marfo (GW) are both transfers from higher conferences as well. Athleticism is different than skill. Burns #1 advantage is not really his athleticism. It's his skill and the fact that Jalen Pickett and Don Carey are his pick and roll partners. Seeing him on film vs ACC Big men isnt the same as seeing him vs MAAC big men , Of course its a combination of his skill and athleticism. Very few MAAC big men can natch his athleticism, and throw his skill in and fewer still are in his ball park. You listed Marfo as better-- disagree big time, Marfo is one dimensional he can rebound and that's about it. he can't score and in fact struggles to stay on court due to foul trouble. We shall see how how Elijah does vs MAAC- I'm not thinking he will be best player in conference, but I think he will be a mismatch nightmare for most MAAC teams, my biggest concern about Burns is his health
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 15:50:32 GMT -5
No, I've seen enough film. And I get what you're saying. I just disagree. The real difference is Burns' SKILL off the bounce for his size and athleticism. It's not pure athleticism. I mean, look at Chris Maidoh...kid looks like a 6-10 shotblocking small forward. Burns might not even have any edge there athletically...probably just strength wise. www.hudl.com/video/3/8682978/5a9abd3e5b3cce04f05ecce1And, remember, Scott (Depaul) and Marfo (GW) are both transfers from higher conferences as well. Athleticism is different than skill. Burns #1 advantage is not really his athleticism. It's his skill and the fact that Jalen Pickett and Don Carey are his pick and roll partners. Seeing him on film vs ACC Big men isnt the same as seeing him vs MAAC big men , Of course its a combination of his skill and athleticism. Very few MAAC big men can natch his athleticism, and throw his skill in and fewer still are in his ball park. You listed Marfo as better-- disagree big time, Marfo is one dimensional he can rebound and that's about it. he can't score and in fact struggles to stay on court due to foul trouble. We shall see how how Elijah does vs MAAC- I'm not thinking he will be best player in conference, but I think he will be a mismatch nightmare for most MAAC teams, my biggest concern about Burns is his health Marfo looked real good to me in Canada. Yes, fouls are probably still an issue but part of his PT issues were due to Bundu. I think he'll lead the conference in rebounding and add like 9 to 10 ppg. Burns may score more but rebound less. Marfo has a positive A/TO and is probably a better shotblocker as well. So, I gave him the edge. Burns may even average as high as 15 and 8 like Fisher but in a head to head scenario...I don't see it as a significant overall advantage over Marfo. It's the defense and ball control at the 1-4 that would be the advantage in that matchup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 15:55:00 GMT -5
Ratliff highlights...just as a reminder of his game.
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Post by Tony on Oct 17, 2019 16:21:52 GMT -5
Seeing him on film vs ACC Big men isnt the same as seeing him vs MAAC big men , Of course its a combination of his skill and athleticism. Very few MAAC big men can natch his athleticism, and throw his skill in and fewer still are in his ball park. You listed Marfo as better-- disagree big time, Marfo is one dimensional he can rebound and that's about it. he can't score and in fact struggles to stay on court due to foul trouble. We shall see how how Elijah does vs MAAC- I'm not thinking he will be best player in conference, but I think he will be a mismatch nightmare for most MAAC teams, my biggest concern about Burns is his health Marfo looked real good to me in Canada. Yes, fouls are probably still an issue but part of his PT issues were due to Bundu. I think he'll lead the conference in rebounding and add like 9 to 10 ppg. Burns may score more but rebound less. Marfo has a positive A/TO and is probably a better shotblocker as well. So, I gave him the edge. Burns may even average as high as 15 and 8 like Fisher but in a head to head scenario...I don't see it as a significant overall advantage over Marfo. It's the defense and ball control at the 1-4 that would be the advantage in that matchup. We can agree to disagree Marfo isnt a big shot blocker- and again dont be fooled against Canada teams- most of which are D2/D3 quality. Marfo has potential if and its a big "if" he can stay on the floor. He scored in double figures 4 times last year- all against low major teams- he didnt score in double figures against any MAAC teams he only avg 3.5 ppg in conference play- I would hope Elijah can do much better than that- again the object is to outscore the other team- if you cant score, cant stay on floor more than 20 min a game hard to give him an edge- but to each their own
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 16:38:37 GMT -5
Marfo looked real good to me in Canada. Yes, fouls are probably still an issue but part of his PT issues were due to Bundu. I think he'll lead the conference in rebounding and add like 9 to 10 ppg. Burns may score more but rebound less. Marfo has a positive A/TO and is probably a better shotblocker as well. So, I gave him the edge. Burns may even average as high as 15 and 8 like Fisher but in a head to head scenario...I don't see it as a significant overall advantage over Marfo. It's the defense and ball control at the 1-4 that would be the advantage in that matchup. We can agree to disagree Marfo isnt a big shot blocker- and again dont be fooled against Canada teams- most of which are D2/D3 quality. Marfo has potential if and its a big "if" he can stay on the floor. He scored in double figures 4 times last year- all against low major teams- he didnt score in double figures against any MAAC teams he only avg 3.5 ppg in conference play- I would hope Elijah can do much better than that- again the object is to outscore the other team- if you cant score, cant stay on floor more than 20 min a game hard to give him an edge- but to each their own Marfo is historically a better shotblocker than Burns. Doesn't mean he's great or even good at it. Just means he's better. We're talking head to head here. Marfo has averaged 11.8 points, 15.1 rebounds, and 1.2 blks per 40 mins in D1. Burns has averaged 9.9 points, 9.2 rebounds, and 0.5 blks per 40 mins in D1. I'm already giving Burns a bump on his offensive skills from playing with Pickett in the MAAC. Burns gets an advantage on scoring and not fouling as much. Marfo..just about everywhere else. I'm giving Burns the benefit of the doubt in that he'll keep this match up close and outscore Marfo. I just don't think he'll outdo Marfo in other areas. Again, I'm just saying I think that OVERALL the match up is closer than you think is all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 17:18:47 GMT -5
Tony, you and KK should "get a room" - sheesh!!! his analytics are beyond tiring - he compares apples to oranges and then concludes grapes are the favorite...
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