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Post by IndianSaint on Sept 21, 2019 9:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by sienasaints0 on Sept 25, 2019 11:53:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the 1st practice is? See on social media a lot of teams started yesterday.
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Post by MTS on Sept 25, 2019 11:58:29 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the 1st practice is? See on social media a lot of teams started yesterday. Tomorrow -- Thursday, September 26
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Post by billmurray on Sept 25, 2019 14:07:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the 1st practice is? See on social media a lot of teams started yesterday. Tomorrow -- Thursday, September 26 Does anyone know if there will be any practices open to the public?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 11:54:29 GMT -5
How would people change this playing time breakout? I personally think the top 5 here have to play as much as possible.
Pickett ------ 35 Carey ------- 32 Harris ------- 32 Camper ------28 Burns -------- 30
Sutherland ---12 Friday ------- 10 Ratliff -------- 9 Hein --------- 6 Young ------- 3 King --------- 3 Darwiche ---- 0 Tchougang -- 0 Mahala ------ 0
Total--------200
For those who'd argue the starters would/should play less:
Note that Pickett averaged 37.1 mpg last year, Camper 26.2, and Carey 31.4 as a frosh at MSM.
I think the drop off from the top 5, especially in the backcourt, necessitates that they probably each play 32+ minutes. Camper and Burns have Sutherland and Friday/Young behind them so maybe they can sit more. Ratliff played 16+ mpg when he played last year. Perhaps he's the one who could change things most.
However, I really don't think Pickett will sit that much more than last year. I think the drop off between he and Hein will just be too great for the staff to stomach for too long a stretches. I think they'll end up running selectively and opportunistically this year. Next year, they'll be able to go faster.
I think Hein's defense might be nice for short stretches but Pickett will play and Ratliff is more versatile.
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Post by Tony on Sept 26, 2019 12:09:57 GMT -5
I dont think you'll see any numbers as high as you have them listed- cant go by last year since Siena played so slow. Unless King, Ratliff or Darwhiche beat him out Hein is going to play anywhere between 10/20 min a game - Pickett and Carey may be up around 30/32 min a game - at least to start the year, Carm plan is to play much faster. Just hard for me to predict how many min various freshmen will play until we see how "ready" they are
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Post by goldsaint17 on Sept 26, 2019 12:11:45 GMT -5
Realistically, the 9-man rotation is Pickett/Carey/Harris/Camper/Burns/Hein/Ratliff/Sutherland/Friday. Hein backs up the 1/2, Ratliff the 2/3, Like the 3/4, and Friday the 5.That probably breaks down to 10-15 a game for each of the 4 guys off the bench.
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Post by $cott on Sept 26, 2019 12:19:00 GMT -5
I have no evidence to back it up but am really expecting Carm to be a smart substitution guy where he gets his top guys out when he knows a TV timeout is coming. I'd also expect he will use more timeouts to get extra rest. With those factors combined I think Pickett and Carey will have no problems playing 35 minutes regularly. As I look at the minutes KK posted though it became pretty clear that there is a huge void now without Seymour in terms of who can sub for Camper on offense in close games down the stretch if he continues to struggle from the line. Really need him to either dramatically improve his free throw shooter or for someone in the Ratliff, Hein, Sutherland, King group to become a guy you can count on late to help bring the ball up without turning it over and hit their free throws if fouled.
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Post by Tony on Sept 26, 2019 12:24:25 GMT -5
Realistically, the 9-man rotation is Pickett/Carey/Harris/Camper/Burns/Hein/Ratliff/Sutherland/Friday. Hein backs up the 1/2, Ratliff the 2/3, Like the 3/4, and Friday the 5.That probably breaks down to 10-15 a game for each of the 4 guys off the bench. That's probably about as close as we come at a guess until we know how ready the freshmen are
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 12:45:15 GMT -5
When the game is on the line, who do you want out there?
Pickett/Carey/Harris or Hein/King/Ratliff
Forget about speed of play. That’s the real question to ask.
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Post by Tony on Sept 26, 2019 12:56:08 GMT -5
When the game is on the line, who do you want out there? Pickett/Carey/Harris or Hein/King/Ratliff Forget about speed of play. That’s the real question to ask. Of course you want those guys on the floor when game is on the line- that's what coaching is all about. It will be Carm and staff's challenge to rest those guys during the game so not only are they on the floor at end of game they still have some "gas" left in the tank. As fans we want all the stars to play 35 plus min- coaches know in most cases that is not advisable. You make mental mistakes when tired, miss shots you normally make etc. At least to start the year if Carm does indeed play the pace he says he is going to play- you have to go at least 8/9 deep if not more. GS depth chart and min is probably as good a guess as we can make at this point. I knew loss of Seymour would "hurt" this year - going forward we are probably better off. But our depth really took a shot with his late departure. We are going to need other freshmen ( besides Harris) to step up and fill that depth void
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Post by Tony on Sept 26, 2019 13:35:43 GMT -5
What makes it so tough to predict minutes; we just don’t know how ready freshmen are. For instance if Sammy is playing well or Young is ready to play 10 min a game, you could see Elijah play extended min at the 4- pushing Manny to 3. If Luke is ready for 10/15 min a game, prolly see less of that. All we know for sure is Pickett, Carey, Burns and Camper are going to play a lot. With loss of Seymour if we hope to realistically contend we need Harris to be ready to play and play well. We will be young for sure- but very talented, a team that should get better as season goes on and freshmen get some experience. Really looking forward to an exciting season ( probably with lots of highs and lows)
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 26, 2019 13:51:34 GMT -5
How would people change this playing time breakout? I personally think the top 5 here have to play as much as possible. Pickett ------ 35 Carey ------- 32 Harris ------- 32 Camper ------28 Burns -------- 30 Sutherland ---12 Friday ------- 10 Ratliff -------- 9 Hein --------- 6 Young ------- 3 King --------- 3 Darwiche ---- 0 Tchougang -- 0 Mahala ------ 0 Total--------200 For those who'd argue the starters would/should play less: Note that Pickett averaged 37.1 mpg last year, Camper 26.2, and Carey 31.4 as a frosh at MSM. I think the drop off from the top 5, especially in the backcourt, necessitates that they probably each play 32+ minutes. Camper and Burns have Sutherland and Friday/Young behind them so maybe they can sit more. Ratliff played 16+ mpg when he played last year. Perhaps he's the one who could change things most. However, I really don't think Pickett will sit that much more than last year. I think the drop off between he and Hein will just be too great for the staff to stomach for too long a stretches. I think they'll end up running selectively and opportunistically this year. Next year, they'll be able to go faster. I think Hein's defense might be nice for short stretches but Pickett will play and Ratliff is more versatile. I don't think you're going to see Pickett and Burns playing so many minutes. Burns has plenty of options behind him in Friday and Young - there's no reason for him to be out there that much. Big men wear out faster than guards. Pickett cannot play 35 minutes at the pace Carm intends to play. It has to be closer to 30 to keep him fresh. King has to step up as the backup PG if he's going to prove he deserves a scholarship. Lastly, Hein only playing 6 mpg is probably wishful thinking on your part. I think the three starting guards/wings will average about 30-32 minutes, while the starters at the 4 and 5 will be around 28 minutes. The bench will play the rest in some combination. Our bench won't be so bad that it coughs up leads because there's some decent defense, but it won't extend leads either - not a lot of scoring firepower there. I think Carm will make smart substitutions so that his starters are there at the end relatively fresh. In a tight game with a lead, Camper will have to come out for someone who can hit free throws when intentional fouling starts. That said, 2020 can't get here fast enough - that's when this team will have a truly deep and talented bench.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 14:02:30 GMT -5
What makes it so tough to predict minutes; we just don’t know how ready freshmen are. For instance if Sammy is playing well or Young is ready to play 10 min a game, you could see Elijah play extended min at the 4- pushing Manny to 3. If Luke is ready for 10/15 min a game, prolly see less of that. All we know for sure is Pickett, Carey, Burns and Camper are going to play a lot. With loss of Seymour if we hope to realistically contend we need Harris to be ready to play and play well. We will be young for sure- but very talented, a team that should get better as season goes on and freshmen get some experience. Really looking forward to an exciting season ( probably with lots of highs and lows) Unless everyone else improves enough to allow Carey to be the one to back up Pickett, then the drop off at PG is too great.
Whether it's Friday/Young pushing Burns to the 4. Sutherland pushing Camper to the 3. Ratliff able to cover for Harris effectively...Harris being able to play the 2 for Carey... etc etc.
And down the line...
The facts are that, forget 3's, Hein is 30.8% career 2 PT shooter and a 61.8% FT shooter. But most importantly he's never been a real effective PG at the D1 level. The drop off from Pickett to Hein or Darwiche AT PG will be enormous if they're the ones backing him up.
The only way you give Pickett a real breather and not drop off horrendously is probably if you have Carey and Camper/Harris etc out there without him. That means that somebody is going to be playing on the wing or at PF. Maybe that's Hein...maybe that's Ratliff..or Sutherland..or Burns etc..
However, you can't have Pickett and Carey on the bench at the same time and expect good things to happen. Once the games start I think every decision will flow down from that.
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Post by Tony on Sept 26, 2019 14:26:17 GMT -5
The fact is Hein is an experienced player, who played at a higher level than the MAAC- coaches LOVE experienced players- unless someone beats him out, Hein is going to play 15/20 Min a game. This is where stats fail you—teams are made up of player’s not just stats, a lot to be said for glue type players. I’m hoping Hein has a solid year- we are probably going to need it
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