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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 10:06:29 GMT -5
Playing time and rotations will work itself out. My only concern at this point now is rounding out the roster with Webster. Hope we here some good news this week. Well, it doesn't seem like he committed on his visit as his twitter has been quiet and there has been little news. So, either he's too exhausted from traveling to tweet or we still got a decent chance.
Webster would be that last piece Siena needs on paper. Just gotta have that other combo shooter.
Then Siena will have a solid shot vs. Rider/Iona if guys meet general expectations. Iona still has 2 scholarships to give...which is more scary than anything else.
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Post by Tony on Jun 10, 2019 10:58:58 GMT -5
You never know who is on Iona till October, and even then you dont know when an Iona player will punch out an asst coach. I'm much more concerned about what Siena does with last schorship than anything Iona does. Siena right now even with unproven head coach has much more upside than Rider and probably Iona
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 11:24:09 GMT -5
You never know who is on Iona till October, and even then you dont know when an Iona player will punch out an asst coach. I'm much concerned about what Siena does with last schorship than anything Iona does. Siena right now even with unproven head coach has much more upside than Rider and probably Iona With Webster, it's likely a 3 team race but there is currently no firm leader in my mind. There are a lot of variables and upsides on all 3 teams...and even some pending waivers. Pickett may be the best all-around player and that gives Siena a big advantage but people forget that just 2 years ago Dimencio Vaughn was the 3rd most valuable player in the league per Kenpom. If Siena gets Webster, I expect all 3 teams to win 20+ games this year. It will then come down to match ups and who is the most well-rounded. Siena will have 7 new players (4 frosh) and a new coach. It's a lot to ask for all that to just come together right away for a regular season title against 2 mostly senior laden teams. Siena could certainly do it but I'm not sure you can call them the favorite quite yet. Rider doesn't defend well FG% wise but they get possessions. If, with Harris, Siena becomes that team that can both score fairly efficiently AND defend well...then Siena becomes the most well-rounded team...and thus the favorite. However, a lot of that depends on Harris and Webster providing a little extra backcourt defensive punch. Rider could also do the same...all they have to do is get teams to shoot bad in addition to the steals/def. boards and they could jump into the top 100 potentially. Iona might be more still just reliant on offense. They lost their most impactful defender from the worst defensive Iona team yet under Cluess. So I'm most worried about Rider becoming fully a 2-way team than I am Iona as just an offensively dominated team.
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Post by Tony on Jun 10, 2019 11:38:40 GMT -5
Could be a 3 way race-- but Rider has a lot of question marks.. they lost two guards that gave them a lot of minutes. What happened to Vaughn, his numbers were way down last year. Durham is a big loss, he played almost 30 min a game as a glue type guy and while Allen's numbers were down across the board he still scored double figures for the Donks. Whenever you have to replace 54 min in backcourt with mainly freshmen and or unproven players, thats a huge question mark. Not sure how big an upside Rider has ( or Iona for that matter) Siena has its own question marks starting first and foremost with its head coach
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 11:49:07 GMT -5
Could be a 3 way race-- but Rider has a lot of question marks.. they lost two guards that gave them a lot of minutes. What happened to Vaughn, his numbers were way down last year. Durham is a big loss, he played almost 30 min a game as a glue type guy and while Allen's numbers were down across the board he still scored double figures for the Donks. Whenever you have to replace 54 min in backcourt with mainly freshmen and or unproven players, thats a huge question mark. Not sure how big an upside Rider has ( or Iona for that matter) Siena has its own question marks starting first and foremost with its head coach At worst for Rider, they replaced Allen with 6-6 grad transfer Willy Nunez who basically did the same stuff at FIU. 9.3 ppg in 20.7 mpg last year. Not a frosh. However, Ings and soph Randall's return could make him not needed much and increase their perimeter D and ballhawking even further at the same time. Rider will be getting a ton of steals and rebounds every game...perhaps even more than last year. All they need is for teams to shoot bad against them. This same team has already been a top 150 team....which is more than can be technically said for these Siena or Iona teams yet. Rider was 145th in the nation with the 267th ranked FG% defense. If they return to their old output and get that number up, they're a top 100 team.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 10, 2019 11:54:12 GMT -5
Could be a 3 way race-- but Rider has a lot of question marks.. they lost two guards that gave them a lot of minutes. What happened to Vaughn, his numbers were way down last year. Durham is a big loss, he played almost 30 min a game as a glue type guy and while Allen's numbers were down across the board he still scored double figures for the Donks. Whenever you have to replace 54 min in backcourt with mainly freshmen and or unproven players, thats a huge question mark. Not sure how big an upside Rider has ( or Iona for that matter) Siena has its own question marks starting first and foremost with its head coach At worst for Rider, they replaced Allen with 6-6 grad transfer Willy Nunez who basically did the same stuff at FIU. 9.3 ppg in 20.7 mpg last year. Not a frosh. However, Ings and soph Randall's return could make him not needed much and increase their perimeter D and ballhawking even further at the same time. Rider will be getting a ton of steals and rebounds every game...perhaps even more than last year. All they need is for teams to shoot bad against them. This same team has already been a top 150 team....which is more than can be technically said for these Siena or Iona teams yet. Allen, who you said on the MAAC board singlehandedly tanked them last season, was replaced by a guy with the same if not worse stats in Nunez. He had better be proven unnecessary.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jun 10, 2019 12:00:55 GMT -5
Could be a 3 way race-- but Rider has a lot of question marks.. they lost two guards that gave them a lot of minutes. What happened to Vaughn, his numbers were way down last year. Durham is a big loss, he played almost 30 min a game as a glue type guy and while Allen's numbers were down across the board he still scored double figures for the Donks. Whenever you have to replace 54 min in backcourt with mainly freshmen and or unproven players, thats a huge question mark. Not sure how big an upside Rider has ( or Iona for that matter) Siena has its own question marks starting first and foremost with its head coach At worst for Rider, they replaced Allen with 6-6 grad transfer Willy Nunez who basically did the same stuff at FIU. 9.3 ppg in 20.7 mpg last year. Not a frosh. However, Ings and soph Randall's return could make him not needed much and increase their perimeter D and ballhawking even further at the same time. Rider will be getting a ton of steals and rebounds every game...perhaps even more than last year. All they need is for teams to shoot bad against them. This same team has already been a top 150 team....which is more than can be technically said for these Siena or Iona teams yet. Rider was 145th in the nation with the 267th ranked FG% defense. If they return to their old output and get that number up, they're a top 100 team. on paper, Rider should again by good...........but they are suspect, and what I mean by that, a team that easily has "meltdowns", we saw it mucho times last yr in the league plus their coach is not one to know how to keep the wheels from falling off, in fact he makes the situation worse........they have a HUGE monkey on their back trying to win 1 game in MAAC tourney quarterfinal round, their motto is truly 1 and done....................
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 12:03:28 GMT -5
At worst for Rider, they replaced Allen with 6-6 grad transfer Willy Nunez who basically did the same stuff at FIU. 9.3 ppg in 20.7 mpg last year. Not a frosh. However, Ings and soph Randall's return could make him not needed much and increase their perimeter D and ballhawking even further at the same time. Rider will be getting a ton of steals and rebounds every game...perhaps even more than last year. All they need is for teams to shoot bad against them. This same team has already been a top 150 team....which is more than can be technically said for these Siena or Iona teams yet. Allen, who you said on the MAAC board singlehandedly tanked them last season, was replaced by a guy with the same if not worse stats in Nunez. He had better be proven unnecessary. They're basically the same guy. And, yes, this is a risk for them. However, they have upside on their roster from not only Ings and Randall....but also from Vaughn who struggled with injuries etc last year. Vaughn was a monster 2 years ago. If that comes back, they're a different team. He took about 100 less shots last year than the year before and the guy only even started 17 games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 12:05:57 GMT -5
At worst for Rider, they replaced Allen with 6-6 grad transfer Willy Nunez who basically did the same stuff at FIU. 9.3 ppg in 20.7 mpg last year. Not a frosh. However, Ings and soph Randall's return could make him not needed much and increase their perimeter D and ballhawking even further at the same time. Rider will be getting a ton of steals and rebounds every game...perhaps even more than last year. All they need is for teams to shoot bad against them. This same team has already been a top 150 team....which is more than can be technically said for these Siena or Iona teams yet. Rider was 145th in the nation with the 267th ranked FG% defense. If they return to their old output and get that number up, they're a top 100 team. on paper, Rider should again by good...........but they are suspect, and what I mean by that, a team that easily has "meltdowns", we saw it mucho times last yr in the league plus their coach is not one to know how to keep the wheels from falling off, in fact he makes the situation worse........they have a HUGE monkey on their back trying to win 1 game in MAAC tourney quarterfinal round, their motto is truly 1 and done.................... The 'choke factor' is high for Rider in a tournament setting, I agree. Baggett doesn't exhibit calm in stressful situations. However, I'm talking about regular season champ here mostly and who is the best team on paper. I'd like Siena's chance to win the tourney better than the regular season in this scenario.
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Post by Quackman on Jun 10, 2019 13:20:42 GMT -5
My question on Rider. They were good 2 years ago, mediocre last year (including 2 losses to Siena). Some expect them to revert to the form of 2 years ago and feel last year is an aberration. What if two years ago was the aberration and last year the norm?
Put another way, I don't think they under-performed last year ... I think they over-performed the year before.
I am not saying Siena is the favorite or predicting they will win the league next year. But, as the roster is currently set up, they seem to have some nice answers to the issues they had last year and questions created due to graduation.
Iona is the team to beat until someone actually beats them. After that, Siena should be competitive with every team in the MAAC.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 10, 2019 13:34:29 GMT -5
If Webster commits, then Siena has a team that could win it all on paper - the key term being on paper. We have no idea if actual expectations will be met in reality with some of these guys. We're relying on a lot of freshmen and transfers to make it happen. Not to mention a new coach. One thing that is certain is this team will be deeper and more athletic than we've seen in quite some time.
Iona and Rider don't really impress me. Siena took 3 of 5 against those two last season with a cobbled together hot mess of a team. They are both likely to be improved, but Siena's leap of improvement figures be even more given what little the team comparatively had last season. At the very least, I expect Siena to have the league's best starting backcourt if the hype that Carey was the best player in practice last season is to be believed. What we have coming off the bench behind them will be the determining factor of Siena's order of finish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 13:42:43 GMT -5
My question on Rider. They were good 2 years ago, mediocre last year (including 2 losses to Siena). Some expect them to revert to the form of 2 years ago and feel last year is an aberration. What if two years ago was the aberration and last year the norm? Put another way, I don't think they under-performed last year ... I think they over-performed the year before. I am not saying Siena is the favorite or predicting they will win the league next year. But, as the roster is currently set up, they seem to have some nice answers to the issues they had last year and questions created due to graduation. Iona is the team to beat until someone actually beats them. After that, Siena should be competitive with every team in the MAAC. Rider averaged 16.5 more FGA per game in games vs. Siena last year. Siena had to shoot over 65% just to beat them by 6 in the tourney. Think about that for a second. 65% shooting in order to win a game by just 6 points. That's how many more possessions they were getting than Siena from rebounding/TO Margin etc. I'd argue that it was as much Siena luck than anything else. You can't take Rider for granted given what they've already accomplished before. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Tony on Jun 10, 2019 13:54:48 GMT -5
I'm not taking any team for granted. I dont care about how many Field goals attempts Rider took last year. Siena beat them head to head in only two times they faced Rider, including beating Rider on their home floor. Rider lost some pieces to the last two years, and have some significant question marks, especially in the backcourt. Siena should be significantly improved. As long as Carm can coach I like Siena's chances vs Rider.. Agree with Nola, until beaten Iona is team to beat. Rider is just another MAAC team to me. Not sure why you are showing a 17-16 team with a history of choking under their current coach so much respect- they are certainly a dark horse when it comes to MAAC race. And again no disrespect toward Rider or their coach, it just is what it is
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Post by MTS on Jun 10, 2019 13:56:35 GMT -5
If Webster commits, then Siena has a team that could win it all on paper - the key term being on paper. We have no idea if actual expectations will be met in reality with some of these guys. We're relying on a lot of freshmen and transfers to make it happen. Not to mention a new coach. One thing that is certain is this team will be deeper and more athletic than we've seen in quite some time. Iona and Rider don't really impress me. Siena took 3 of 5 against those two last season with a cobbled together hot mess of a team. They are both likely to be improved, but Siena's leap of improvement figures be even more given what little the team comparatively had last season. At the very least, I expect Siena to have the league's best starting backcourt if the hype that Carey was the best player in practice last season is to be believed. What we have coming off the bench behind them will be the determining factor of Siena's order of finish. Iona and Rider are potentially good teams but I think Siena has a higher ceiling. Iona was 198 in KenPom last year, Rider 212. The year before that Iona was 137, Rider 145. Yes they return most of their talent but it's older talent not likely to get much better (juniors/seniors). Plus Iona has to hope Washington is eligible and is as good as McGill. Siena with two frosh and a sophomore who barely played his first year and three role players beat Rider twice. And if not for that nightmare 8 minutes against Iona at home in the regular season - Siena finishes with the #1 seed. Now Siena has many question marks that are well documented but there are a lot of reinforcements coming. Potentially we could have 7 guys new to the roster if Webster commits to go along with Carey, Burns, Sutherland, Harris, Young and Hein. Plus getting solid role players back in Friday and Ratliff who were injured most of last year. Plus Siena hopes both Pickett and Carey make that "sophomore" jump usually when a player improves their most. Iona deserves to be picked first but there is a lot to be optimistic and excited about for Siena fans this season!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 14:14:34 GMT -5
I'm not taking any team for granted. I dont care about how many Field goals attempts Rider took last year. Siena beat them head to head in only two times they faced Rider, including beating Rider on their home floor. Rider lost some pieces to the last two years, and have some significant question marks, especially in the backcourt. Siena should be significantly improved. As long as Carm can coach I like Siena's chances vs Rider.. Agree with Nola, until beaten Iona is team to beat. Rider is just another MAAC team to me. Not sure why you are showing a 17-16 team with a history of choking under their current coach so much respect- they are certainly a dark horse when it comes to MAAC race. And again no disrespect toward Rider or their coach, it just is what it is Smithen averaged 13.5 PPG, 5 RPG, 2 APG, 3 SPG vs. Rider last year...for what it's worth so it's not like you can just easily claim some kind of superiority over them based on a head to head scenario last year anymore. Smithen, Fisher, Degnan etc are all gone. My point is simply that Iona had the 276th ranked D last year and lost McGill who got them 78 steals and 9 blks...and anchored their team on D and in leadership. With his ball control and ballhawking he largely controlled their TO margin fate. Iona was +0.7 per game in TO margin in conference regular season WITH McGill. Siena was +2.8 Rider was +3.8 Rider is better at Siena's own strength than they are. They also outrebound Siena and have an experienced team with a higher PPS. It would just seem to me that, without McGill, we should be a bit more worried about Rider than people seem to be. Respect Iona, for sure, as anything could change and Cluess finds a way but this Rider team still has a lot of talent and a fair amount of numbers on their side.
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