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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 7, 2019 13:12:34 GMT -5
Regarding mins, I’m actually hoping the starters and top 2-3 bench players grow the lead so much that they basically get tested in the 2nd part of the 2nd half while the remaining subs get valuable game mins (of course maybe keeping 1-2 of top 8 in during that time).
Probably won’t happen as often as I’d like but still wishing for it.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 7, 2019 13:16:58 GMT -5
Regarding mins, I’m actually hoping the starters and top 2-3 bench players grow the lead so much that they basically get tested in the 2nd part of the 2nd half while the remaining subs get valuable game mins (of course maybe keeping 1-2 of top 8 in during that time). Probably won’t happen as often as I’d like but still wishing for it. Come on IS, this is Siena basketball... nothing comes easy! My blood pressure is always higher from November to March.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 13:49:11 GMT -5
Blowouts are rare in this league. Siena needs a solid 2nd unit in order to win a championship. Most teams can put a decent 5 on the floor. What separates the so-so teams from the good teams usually revolves around depth.
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Post by MTS on Jun 7, 2019 14:41:32 GMT -5
Blowouts are rare in this league. Siena needs a solid 2nd unit in order to win a championship. Most teams can put a decent 5 on the floor. What separates the so-so teams from the good teams usually revolves around depth. I agree you need a solid 8 but look at Fran’s teams (and I know they were one of the best in MAAC history) and Iona under Cluess neither had great benches. What you need is solid role players who don’t hurt you when they’re in the game.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 7, 2019 15:10:02 GMT -5
Blowouts are rare in this league ... . I say it’s time for Siena to remedy this and make it Siena’s norm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 15:13:15 GMT -5
Blowouts are rare in this league. Siena needs a solid 2nd unit in order to win a championship. Most teams can put a decent 5 on the floor. What separates the so-so teams from the good teams usually revolves around depth. I agree you need a solid 8 but look at Fran’s teams (and I know they were one of the best in MAAC history) and Iona under Cluess neither had great benches. What you need is solid role players who don’t hurt you when they’re in the game. Well, sure, if you have the 5 best players at their positions in the league like Fran did...sure. I mean he had like 5 first teamers. They had a 'win' gear. They just turned it on when they felt like it.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 7, 2019 15:13:52 GMT -5
Regarding mins, I’m actually hoping the starters and top 2-3 bench players grow the lead so much that they basically get tested in the 2nd part of the 2nd half while the remaining subs get valuable game mins (of course maybe keeping 1-2 of top 8 in during that time). Probably won’t happen as often as I’d like but still wishing for it. Come on IS, this is Siena basketball... nothing comes easy! My blood pressure is always higher from November to March. Ok, I’ll settle for jumping out to big leads early which’ll allow starters rest and PT for subs until the opposing teams starters battle back. Then reinvent our starters thereby wearing out other team’s starters and winning fairly comfortable in the end even though we may only end up winning by 2, 3, or 4 (i.e., the other team only battled back against our 3rd string the final 3-4 mins and outcome never in question).
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 7, 2019 15:18:42 GMT -5
I agree you need a solid 8 but look at Fran’s teams (and I know they were one of the best in MAAC history) and Iona under Cluess neither had great benches. What you need is solid role players who don’t hurt you when they’re in the game. Well, sure, if you have the 5 best players at their positions in the league like Fran did...sure. I mean he had like 5 first teamers. They had a 'win' gear. They just turned it on when they felt like it. I remember that win gear, it’s like I never felt like we’d lose (even when we were down by 14 or 16 at Marist with like 4-6 mins to go in game). It was like loosing wasn’t even a consideration unless we were playing Kansas, OK, Tennessee, or Pitt and even then I felt like we’d come back an win in the end. Although, by halftime of the Memphis game I didn’t feel so confident. I miss that gear. I think this team will eventually find it though.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 7, 2019 15:25:30 GMT -5
To me the hardest thing about predicting minutes is pace of play. I remember what Fran used to say to prospective freshmen, if you can play, I’ll find time for you. If we sign Webster I’m guessing Jalen and Don play around 30 min a piece. Which means Carm would really have to push the pace running, pressing running off makes etc ( similar to Fran type pace) . If Sloan rebounds at all he’ll get at least 25 min, if he doesn’t improve at all Carm has option of going quick and small with Harris and Camper in lineup at same time. Hard to predict on Sutherland and Young,( love long term potential of both) we just don’t know how ready they will be. So a lot of variables – but like I keep saying love the fact Carm has options—play at Cooley type pace, Fran type pace, and especially if we land Webster Siena could potentially have best player in league next year 3 of the top 10 or 15 players in conference and have a really solid top 10/12 players. And of course with all that we have the backdrop that Carm is unproven head coach, so I don’t want to get ahead of myself—but looking at potential lineups and varied combinations Carm can use, hard not to For the record, Ed Cooley's average tempo is 213th. That's about where I'm expecting this team to be given that Pickett is our PG. Not very fast, but still a hell of a lot faster than 352nd. Carm said during his introductory press conference that pace of play will be determined by the personnel on hand and that he would push the ball when it's there. I take that to mean he'll run when he has players that can operate at that pace and slow it down when he has slower players. Currently, I'm not sure what this team is built for. Athleticism has been improved by leaps and bounds over what we saw with Patsos for sure. But I'm not sure where team speed sits. Although Pickett isn't particularly fast, he isn't a snail either. I would think with him, Carey, Harris, Camper, and hopefully Webster or Moore, this team has the horses to get out in transition and run on makes and misses. JC was planning on running Mayhem, so I assume he was building the roster towards that, and Carm is finishing the job. spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/sports/2019/03/28/players-will-dictate-style-of-play-for-siena
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 15:29:43 GMT -5
For the record, Ed Cooley's average tempo is 213th. That's about where I'm expecting this team to be given that Pickett is our PG. Not very fast, but still a hell of a lot faster than 352nd. Carm said during his introductory press conference that pace of play will be determined by the personnel on hand and that he would push the ball when it's there. I take that to mean he'll run when he has players that can operate at that pace and slow it down when he has slower players. Currently, I'm not sure what this team is built for. Athleticism has been improved by leaps and bounds over what we saw with Patsos for sure. But I'm not sure where team speed sits. Although Pickett isn't particularly fast, he isn't a snail either. I would think with him, Carey, Harris, Camper, and hopefully Webster or Moore, this team has the horses to get out in transition and run on makes and misses. JC was planning on running Mayhem, so I assume he was building the roster towards that, and Carm is finishing the job. spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/sports/2019/03/28/players-will-dictate-style-of-play-for-sienaThe real question is simple. Do we run off makes like Fran and Cluess? I doubt it. They'll just run in transition off turnovers and rebounds. Pickett is a half court PG.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 7, 2019 16:19:36 GMT -5
Carm said during his introductory press conference that pace of play will be determined by the personnel on hand and that he would push the ball when it's there. I take that to mean he'll run when he has players that can operate at that pace and slow it down when he has slower players. Currently, I'm not sure what this team is built for. Athleticism has been improved by leaps and bounds over what we saw with Patsos for sure. But I'm not sure where team speed sits. Although Pickett isn't particularly fast, he isn't a snail either. I would think with him, Carey, Harris, Camper, and hopefully Webster or Moore, this team has the horses to get out in transition and run on makes and misses. JC was planning on running Mayhem, so I assume he was building the roster towards that, and Carm is finishing the job. spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/sports/2019/03/28/players-will-dictate-style-of-play-for-sienaThe real question is simple. Do we run off makes like Fran and Cluess? I doubt it. They'll just run in transition off turnovers and rebounds. Pickett is a half court PG. Do we run full throttle on makes? I agree, probably not. Carm seems like a set play type. But I don't expect we'll be walking the ball up the court either. Carm says he's going to attack - whether that means attack off makes and misses or just misses/turnovers, remains to be seen. He may not know that himself yet and is waiting to see what the rebuilt team can do in practice. One thing for certain is that they're going to play faster. After all, they can't play any slower. They were second to last in pace -the only direction to go is up.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Jun 8, 2019 6:25:41 GMT -5
Pickett still has the NBA carrott dangling in front of him. For Pickett to have any shot at the NBA, he has to show NBA Exec's that he can make good decisions and shots at a faster more athletic pace. I would be shocked if Carm or Pickett lets the pace be anything close to last years pace. If they can avg 76 pts or more, I think that will be the minimum threshold to attain....though 80 would be better.
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Post by mike60 on Jun 8, 2019 7:08:00 GMT -5
In terms of takeaways and rebounds the situation frequently determines the pace. In putting the ball in play the defense partially is a determining factor, but the team taking it out has to mix up their look as well. I never could understand against a zone non- pressing defense why a team brings the ball up so slowly.
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Post by saints22 on Jun 8, 2019 7:14:20 GMT -5
Would be interesting to find out what Bob Beyer, Steve Clifford and Prosper think about Jalen's NBA prospects. All three of them are Siena guys who have been around the league for a while, and who could offer JP some helpful and realistic insight into what his chances of making it to the NBA are. You would think that staff at school would have reached out to one or more of them on JP's behalf for some guidance. Certainly hope so, anyway.
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Post by greenblood on Jun 12, 2019 3:24:25 GMT -5
Would be interesting to find out what Bob Beyer, Steve Clifford and Prosper think about Jalen's NBA prospects. All three of them are Siena guys who have been around the league for a while, and who could offer JP some helpful and realistic insight into what his chances of making it to the NBA are. You would think that staff at school would have reached out to one or more of them on JP's behalf for some guidance. Certainly hope so, anyway. Carm met with Prosper while in Chicago with Jalen.
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