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Post by Tony on Jun 5, 2019 11:30:47 GMT -5
Prediction of minutes and roles at this juncture is ridiculous. I agree its almost impossible to predict-- but hey that's what we do on this board, sort of like a water cooler at work, just shooting the breeze about Siena hoops. Likes KK says what are we going to talk about the weather? While I can’t predict who will get what minutes, I can say I love... absolutely love fact Carm will have a lot of different options and combinations. Gives Carm plenty of breathing room, if one kid doesn’t make sophomore jump or 1 or more freshmen gets off to slow start whatever. Carm will have some options. What I am absolutely confident of is this, the starting lineup will be more talented than last year,team will be much deeper than last year and way more athletic. Depending on Carm's coaching the ceiling for this team is highest we had since the Fran years
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 12:50:00 GMT -5
Anyway...much like I said when Richard was on the roster....Webster or Moore or whomever...could hurt Seymour the most.
With Pickett and Carey...you basically have 2 guys who can basically just get a decent 3 look off the bounce just about whenever they want. They need to space the floor but that might not be as big an issue if Harris, Sutherland, Ratliff, Webster, etc..all can shoot. Or even if Burns starts dropping a few here and there.
There could be less need for the shooting specialist...in which case a more versatile Webster/Moore beats out Seymour rather than Harris/Camper/Sutherland etc.. It could all come back down again to how Seymour rebounds and defends.
I mean, as soon as Seymour goes into a shooting slump...you just have to pull him either way.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 5, 2019 12:52:37 GMT -5
We're putting the cart before the horse, but if Webster comes he'll be getting more minutes than that. I envision him being the first guard off the bench backing up both the 1 and the 2. That puts him in line for 15-20 minutes a game at least. Camper won't be the starting 4 in your scenario. Carm says he wants guys who can shoot and that's not Camper's game. Seymour will likely keep the spot, much to your chagrin. Camper and Sutherland will likely be the first two forwards off the bench at the 3 and 4 respectively. The 5 is solid with Burns, Friday, and Young making that spot 3 deep in a pinch, though Young will likely not be ready to contribute much this season as is typical of MAAC big men. Camper will have to add a reliable shot to earn a lot of minutes in this group. Conversely, if Seymour does not add another dimension to his game, he could find his minutes significantly reduced. I'll be watching to see if those two shore up their glaring weaknesses. I agree that Darwiche and Hein are practice players if Webster comes - perhaps Ratliff too. Webster is basically a 6-1 SG at the D1 level as he's likely not a pure PG. At almost any level in D1 that screams shooting role off the bench. 12 mpg as a frosh is pretty much what he can expect. As a senior...maybe 25. Now, it's easy to just say Webster gets more minutes...but until you tell me where they're coming from....it's meaningless. For Webster to play more...he ain't playing over Pickett and Carey...so those minutes have to come from bigger guys at the SF/PF position. That's Seymour, Camper, Harris, Sutherland. Which 6-6+ guy who can rebound will be benched in favor of going small for the 6-1 shooter for another 10 mins or so? And if you play him with Seymour....it would seem a bit redundant...and kill the rebounding and interior D even more. It's true that Webster isn't playing over Pickett and Carey...but he could be the first off the bench to sub for both. Assuming they each play 30 or so minutes a game, that's 15-20 minutes just backing those two up. With a three man rotation at the 1 and 2 his minutes need not come from anywhere else. Webster is listed at 6'2 and a combo guard on most sites, so I'm penciling him as such. Footage of him shows a good shooter who can get to the rim, and get steals on defense. He has the size and skills to play the 1 or 2 in the MAAC. I remind you that Pickett wasn't considered a pure point either and he's turning out to be one of the best ones in Siena history. I haven't seen any stats yet, but if Webster is as good a perimeter shooter as he appears to be in video, it's going to be hard to keep him off the floor. This of course assumes we even get him, which is no sure thing. Someone has to convince him that Albany is a more desirable place to live for 4 years than Hawaii.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 5, 2019 12:56:52 GMT -5
Webster is basically a 6-1 SG at the D1 level as he's likely not a pure PG. At almost any level in D1 that screams shooting role off the bench. 12 mpg as a frosh is pretty much what he can expect. As a senior...maybe 25. Now, it's easy to just say Webster gets more minutes...but until you tell me where they're coming from....it's meaningless. For Webster to play more...he ain't playing over Pickett and Carey...so those minutes have to come from bigger guys at the SF/PF position. That's Seymour, Camper, Harris, Sutherland. Which 6-6+ guy who can rebound will be benched in favor of going small for the 6-1 shooter for another 10 mins or so? And if you play him with Seymour....it would seem a bit redundant...and kill the rebounding and interior D even more. It's true that Webster isn't playing over Pickett and Carey...but he could be the first off the bench to sub for both. Assuming they each play 30 or so minutes a game, that's 15-20 minutes just backing those two up. With a three man rotation at the 1 and 2 his minutes need not come from anywhere else. Webster is listed at 6'2 and a combo guard on most sites, so I'm penciling him as such. Footage of him shows a good shooter who can get to the rim, and get steals on defense. He has the size and skills to play the 1 or 2 in the MAAC. I remind you that Pickett wasn't considered a pure point either and he's turning out to be one of the best ones in Siena history. I haven't seen any stats yet, but if Webster is as good a perimeter shooter as he appears to be in video, it's going to be hard to keep him off the floor. This of course assumes we even get him, which is no sure thing. Someone has to convince him that Albany is a more desirable place to live for 4 years than Hawaii. Pickett wasn't a PG but always got assists and had a great A/TO-- people just didn't think of him as an initiator but more as a ball-mover and guy who made the smart play. Webster has never averaged more than 2.5 assists per game in HS or AAU, and his A/TO has been closer to 1 than 2. That's fine, and that can be a productive player, but that's not the guy you want initiating. Based on the numbers, both Webster and Brian Moore would always been played "off the ball" with Carey running the show when Pickett isn't in the game.
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Post by $cott on Jun 5, 2019 13:01:55 GMT -5
Anyway...much like I said when Richard was on the roster....Webster or Moore or whomever...could hurt Seymour the most. With Pickett and Carey...you basically have 2 guys who can basically just get a decent 3 look off the bounce just about whenever they want. They need to space the floor but that might not be as big an issue if Harris, Sutherland, Ratliff, Webster, etc..all can shoot. Or even if Burns starts dropping a few here and there. There could be less need for the shooting specialist...in which case a more versatile Webster/Moore beats out Seymour rather than Harris/Camper/Sutherland etc.. It could all come back down again to how Seymour rebounds and defends. I mean, as soon as Seymour goes into a shooting slump...you just have to pull him either way. The coaches love Seymour and Carm can't get through an interview without gushing about how hard he's working in the weight room. He's going to get his minutes regardless of whether we think it is the best thing for the team. If it were up to me I would like to see Seymour in a similar role to Tay Fisher. When his jumper is falling give him the green light and let him go nuts. When the jumper isn't falling glue him to the bench and wait for the next game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 13:06:40 GMT -5
Anyway...much like I said when Richard was on the roster....Webster or Moore or whomever...could hurt Seymour the most. With Pickett and Carey...you basically have 2 guys who can basically just get a decent 3 look off the bounce just about whenever they want. They need to space the floor but that might not be as big an issue if Harris, Sutherland, Ratliff, Webster, etc..all can shoot. Or even if Burns starts dropping a few here and there. There could be less need for the shooting specialist...in which case a more versatile Webster/Moore beats out Seymour rather than Harris/Camper/Sutherland etc.. It could all come back down again to how Seymour rebounds and defends. I mean, as soon as Seymour goes into a shooting slump...you just have to pull him either way. The coaches love Seymour and Carm can't get through an interview without gushing about how hard he's working in the weight room. He's going to get his minutes regardless of whether we think it is the best thing for the team. If it were up to me I would like to see Seymour in a similar role to Tay Fisher. When his jumper is falling give him the green light and let him go nuts. When the jumper isn't falling glue him to the bench and wait for the next game. It's easy to gush in May before all the newbies are even on campus. All I'm saying is that under pressure, if a Webster is shooting 40% and a Seymour is shooting 40%.....and Webster is attacking, steals, playing D, and getting at least as many rebounds....then a coach would be stupid to continue to stick with Seymour. That pressure is not being applied in May like it would be during the season.
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Post by Tony on Jun 5, 2019 13:22:43 GMT -5
Coaches love Sloan and his shot, unless Sloan doesnt improve at all, I'm guessing he gets lots of minutes, while I agree he didnt rebound last year- he played as a true 18 year old freshmen. I dont think he'll ever be a good rebounder, but even if he is mediocre rebounder, with that shot ( doubly so if they move back the 3 point line) a head coach will find time for him. With all the team athleticism I think Sloan will be even more important in opening up the floor. Most MAAC teams only have one or two good defenders- SLoan drags a guy outside really opens up floor for Elijah, Don, Jalen, Manny, Greg etc.. with Sloan on floor teams will have to think long and hard about playing zone vs us . And if they do play zone let Sloan fire away
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Post by $cott on Jun 5, 2019 14:29:35 GMT -5
3 point line officially moved back for next year, good news for Sloan.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 5, 2019 17:29:32 GMT -5
Prediction of minutes and roles at this juncture is ridiculous. The problem with the charts is it assumes everybody is available for every game, a ridiculous assumption. The low minutes will be raised on a game by game basis from that alone.
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Post by rpize24 on Jun 5, 2019 18:02:07 GMT -5
3 point line officially moved back for next year, good news for Sloan. Looks like Sloan plans on shooting from 50 this year
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 5, 2019 19:32:18 GMT -5
3 point line officially moved back for next year, good news for Sloan. Looks like Sloan plans on shooting from 50 this year Yeah he wasn’t near the line most of his shots last year kid has range
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 5, 2019 19:36:57 GMT -5
Coaches love Sloan and his shot, unless Sloan doesnt improve at all, I'm guessing he gets lots of minutes, while I agree he didnt rebound last year- he played as a true 18 year old freshmen. I dont think he'll ever be a good rebounder, but even if he is mediocre rebounder, with that shot ( doubly so if they move back the 3 point line) a head coach will find time for him. With all the team athleticism I think Sloan will be even more important in opening up the floor. Most MAAC teams only have one or two good defenders- SLoan drags a guy outside really opens up floor for Elijah, Don, Jalen, Manny, Greg etc.. with Sloan on floor teams will have to think long and hard about playing zone vs us . And if they do play zone let Sloan fire away Absolutely correct, with a team full options everyone becomes harder to defend & Sloan is even a bigger weapon. People need to cut him some slack, there’s always room for a shooter!
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Jun 7, 2019 7:17:36 GMT -5
Why not....everything on this board is nothing but speculation anyways so why not take a shot at avg. minutes as well:
Pickett - 34 Carey - 32 Burns - 25 Seymour - 19 Camper - 19 Harris - 21 Friday - 13 Webster - 15 (if he comes) Ratliff - 8 Sutherland - 5 Young - 5 Hein - 2 Darwiche - 2
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Post by Tony on Jun 7, 2019 10:06:07 GMT -5
To me the hardest thing about predicting minutes is pace of play. I remember what Fran used to say to prospective freshmen, if you can play, I’ll find time for you. If we sign Webster I’m guessing Jalen and Don play around 30 min a piece. Which means Carm would really have to push the pace running, pressing running off makes etc ( similar to Fran type pace) . If Sloan rebounds at all he’ll get at least 25 min, if he doesn’t improve at all Carm has option of going quick and small with Harris and Camper in lineup at same time. Hard to predict on Sutherland and Young,( love long term potential of both) we just don’t know how ready they will be. So a lot of variables – but like I keep saying love the fact Carm has options—play at Cooley type pace, Fran type pace, and especially if we land Webster Siena could potentially have best player in league next year 3 of the top 10 or 15 players in conference and have a really solid top 10/12 players. And of course with all that we have the backdrop that Carm is unproven head coach, so I don’t want to get ahead of myself—but looking at potential lineups and varied combinations Carm can use, hard not to
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:44:01 GMT -5
To me the hardest thing about predicting minutes is pace of play. I remember what Fran used to say to prospective freshmen, if you can play, I’ll find time for you. If we sign Webster I’m guessing Jalen and Don play around 30 min a piece. Which means Carm would really have to push the pace running, pressing running off makes etc ( similar to Fran type pace) . If Sloan rebounds at all he’ll get at least 25 min, if he doesn’t improve at all Carm has option of going quick and small with Harris and Camper in lineup at same time. Hard to predict on Sutherland and Young,( love long term potential of both) we just don’t know how ready they will be. So a lot of variables – but like I keep saying love the fact Carm has options—play at Cooley type pace, Fran type pace, and especially if we land Webster Siena could potentially have best player in league next year 3 of the top 10 or 15 players in conference and have a really solid top 10/12 players. And of course with all that we have the backdrop that Carm is unproven head coach, so I don’t want to get ahead of myself—but looking at potential lineups and varied combinations Carm can use, hard not to For the record, Ed Cooley's average tempo is 213th. That's about where I'm expecting this team to be given that Pickett is our PG. Not very fast, but still a hell of a lot faster than 352nd.
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