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Post by rpize24 on Jun 5, 2019 0:08:17 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think there will be a minutes battle between him and camper as camper can go to the 4 and wouldn't have to shoot but could continue to attack the hoop and get to the line. As of right now this is what I would do, interested to hear what others would do: Starters: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper, Burns Bench: Seymour, Friday, Ratliff, Sutherland, Young(RS?), Darwiche I think we start the year with this depth chart: PG: Pickett (Darwiche) SG: Carey (Hein) SF: Camper (Harris) (Ratliff) PF: Seymour (Sutherland) C: Burns (Friday) (Young) But we can go small with your starting line-up at times. If we sign Webster (or Brian Moore) that shores up any concerns about our guard depth. Honestly I forgot about Hein. I'd probably stick him right where you have him. The only reason I suggest starting Harris over Sloan is that the opposition will be getting tired out if Sloan comes in a few minutes later into the game which will allow him to keep up on both sides of the ball without any issues. Everything that Carm has said though leads me to believe we could certainly be looking at a very different player come game time
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 5, 2019 0:09:17 GMT -5
I have to think he going to be in play for the starting 3 spot from day 1. How else did we get him given the competition? He'll have to earn it, but I don't see how Camper beats him out. Both are very athletic, but the shooting ability difference is hard to overcome. Honestly I don't think there will be a minutes battle between him and camper as camper can go to the 4 and wouldn't have to shoot but could continue to attack the hoop and get to the line. As of right now this is what I would do, interested to hear what others would do: Starters: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper, Burns Bench: Seymour, Friday, Ratliff, Sutherland, Young(RS?), Darwiche We'll see how Carm wants to play. He may not want to give up 3 point shooting or play that small. Remember that Burns is only 6'8. Also, we have to see if Seymour can be add another dimension to his game. I wouldn't write him off yet. Carm stated that he wants to recruit kids who can shoot. Will he play those who can't? If he gets Webster or Moore we'll really be on to something. Too bad we can't can't take both.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 0:09:52 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think there will be a minutes battle between him and camper as camper can go to the 4 and wouldn't have to shoot but could continue to attack the hoop and get to the line. As of right now this is what I would do, interested to hear what others would do: Starters: Pickett, Carey, Harris, Camper, Burns Bench: Seymour, Friday, Ratliff, Sutherland, Young(RS?), Darwiche I think we start the year with this depth chart: PG: Pickett (Darwiche) SG: Carey (Hein) SF: Camper (Harris) (Ratliff) PF: Seymour (Sutherland) C: Burns (Friday) (Young) But we can go small with your starting line-up at times. If we sign Webster (or Brian Moore) that shores up any concerns about our guard depth. I don’t want to see Hein or Darwiche in a single depth chart if Webster commits.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 5, 2019 0:17:00 GMT -5
I think this was the bigger hill to climb. Either Webster or Moore are likely to be next. I'll be happy with either after getting the big fish. Carm got you what you wanted. Are you over Walker now? Nothing gets you over the last one like the next one. Harris may well be an upgrade over what was lost. And it's also time to for everyone to get off Carm's back. He closed the deal big time. Kid is an athlete for sure but he’s no PG like Walker. We don’t know how he’ll shoot but I think he may have a better defensive motor than Walker. I’m glad we got him and this gives the chance of another impact wing. Won’t know much about his offense until he suits up though. Being more athletic than everyone is a nice place to start though. Need another guard ho can shoot and score though. No, he's no PG. But that wasn't exactly our greatest need now was it? We needed an athletic wing and he's as much that as Walker if not more so. And Harris isn't the bean pole Walker is, so he comes in with a more college-ready body. Lastly, you can't ignore the difference in offers each had. That says something. I think we upgraded. Don't worry, another guard who can shoot is on the way. Worst case scenario is Moore. He ain't going anywhere. Siena's his best offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 0:19:09 GMT -5
Kid is an athlete for sure but he’s no PG like Walker. We don’t know how he’ll shoot but I think he may have a better defensive motor than Walker. I’m glad we got him and this gives the chance of another impact wing. Won’t know much about his offense until he suits up though. Being more athletic than everyone is a nice place to start though. Need another guard ho can shoot and score though. No, he's no PG. But that wasn't exactly our greatest need now was it? We needed an athletic wing and he's as much that as Walker if not more so. And Harris isn't the bean pole Walker is, so he comes in with a more college-ready body. Lastly, you can't ignore the difference in offers each had. That says something. I think we upgraded. Don't worry, another guard who can shoot is on the way. Worst case scenario is Moore. He ain't going anywhere. Siena's his best offer. Upgrade is possible but remains to be seen. Walker was just as athletic but with a pg handle.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 5, 2019 0:20:02 GMT -5
I think we start the year with this depth chart: PG: Pickett (Darwiche) SG: Carey (Hein) SF: Camper (Harris) (Ratliff) PF: Seymour (Sutherland) C: Burns (Friday) (Young) But we can go small with your starting line-up at times. If we sign Webster (or Brian Moore) that shores up any concerns about our guard depth. I don’t want to see Hein or Darwiche in a single depth chart if Webster commits. I think the actual depth chart (allowing for positional overlap) is: PG: Pickett/Carey/Darwiche SG: Carey/Harris/Hein SF: Camper/Harris/Ratliff PF: Sloan (semantics whether Camper is the 4 when he’s there with Sloan)/Camper/Sutherland C: Burns/Friday/Young Ideally you’d have one more guard who can handle and create their own shot but that’s doable now. Adding Webster or Moore basically makes Hein and Darwiche obsolete without injuries and pushes Camper and Sloan. And again, I think we have Moore tomorrow if we want Moore tomorrow. So it’s really about figuring out what Webster is doing and going from there.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 5, 2019 0:23:49 GMT -5
No, he's no PG. But that wasn't exactly our greatest need now was it? We needed an athletic wing and he's as much that as Walker if not more so. And Harris isn't the bean pole Walker is, so he comes in with a more college-ready body. Lastly, you can't ignore the difference in offers each had. That says something. I think we upgraded. Don't worry, another guard who can shoot is on the way. Worst case scenario is Moore. He ain't going anywhere. Siena's his best offer. Upgrade is possible but remains to be seen. Walker was just as athletic but with a pg handle. Walker had some decent dunks but he wasn’t literally jumping over dudes mid-game like Harris is... and the new shooting stroke for Harris is very promising and that’s backed up by the numbers. Time will tell as I was a big Walker guy myself. Regardless, think we’re all in agreement that this kid looks really good and to take him from that final 3 with no “hook” is impressive.
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Post by musicman on Jun 5, 2019 0:28:36 GMT -5
It's 1:20 AM. With the help of a nice cocktail I was recovering from a tough Yankee loss. I thought I would check in one more time for any kind of positive discussion. Thank you friends for this wonderful news!! I'm going to sleep well tonight! Go SAINTS!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 0:33:21 GMT -5
Upgrade is possible but remains to be seen. Walker was just as athletic but with a pg handle. Walker had some decent dunks but he wasn’t literally jumping over dudes mid-game like Harris is... and the new shooting stroke for Harris is very promising and that’s backed up by the numbers. Time will tell as I was a big Walker guy myself. Regardless, think we’re all in agreement that this kid looks really good and to take him from that final 3 with no “hook” is impressive. How soon we forget. Walker was dunking over dudes and he scores at all three levels. We really have yet to see film of Harris doing anything besides dunking or shooting a 3. That said, I like Harris better defensively.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 5, 2019 0:41:30 GMT -5
No, he's no PG. But that wasn't exactly our greatest need now was it? We needed an athletic wing and he's as much that as Walker if not more so. And Harris isn't the bean pole Walker is, so he comes in with a more college-ready body. Lastly, you can't ignore the difference in offers each had. That says something. I think we upgraded. Don't worry, another guard who can shoot is on the way. Worst case scenario is Moore. He ain't going anywhere. Siena's his best offer. Upgrade is possible but remains to be seen. Walker was just as athletic but with a pg handle. If they get Webster or Moore, you'll get your additional PG handle from them. You'll find Harris' superior defense compared to Walker more useful than ball handling.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 5, 2019 0:47:03 GMT -5
Walker had some decent dunks but he wasn’t literally jumping over dudes mid-game like Harris is... and the new shooting stroke for Harris is very promising and that’s backed up by the numbers. Time will tell as I was a big Walker guy myself. Regardless, think we’re all in agreement that this kid looks really good and to take him from that final 3 with no “hook” is impressive. How soon we forget. Walker was dunking over dudes and he scores at all three levels. We really have yet to see film of Harris doing anything besides dunking or shooting a 3. That said, I like Harris better defensively. I don’t really feel like going through and logging dunk videos, but I’m pretty confident in saying that Harris is more vertically explosive than Walker. Walker May be a better basketball player, but I’ll take vertically explosive guys who can shoot 3’s and defend every single day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 0:48:54 GMT -5
How soon we forget. Walker was dunking over dudes and he scores at all three levels. We really have yet to see film of Harris doing anything besides dunking or shooting a 3. That said, I like Harris better defensively. I don’t really feel like going through and logging dunk videos, but I’m pretty confident in saying that Harris is more vertically explosive than Walker. Walker May be a better basketball player, but I’ll take vertically explosive guys who can shoot 3’s and defend every single day. He could be like a CJ. CJ had no midrange game to speak of whatsoever
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 3:28:39 GMT -5
. This is great news. Maybe we can take a collective sigh on Carm for the moment.
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Post by dacks on Jun 5, 2019 4:33:37 GMT -5
Phenomenal signing for Carm and staff. At bare minimum we are getting a fantastic athlete who is a high-motor defender and explosive in transition. With some hard work and proper coaching, I think he has a chance to develop in a similar mold to Ubiles- a lanky player who uses his athleticism to be a defensive pest and who is a threat to slash and score on every possession.
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Post by dacks on Jun 5, 2019 4:37:57 GMT -5
I don’t want to see Hein or Darwiche in a single depth chart if Webster commits. I think the actual depth chart (allowing for positional overlap) is: PG: Pickett/Carey/Darwiche SG: Carey/Harris/Hein SF: Camper/Harris/Ratliff PF: Sloan (semantics whether Camper is the 4 when he’s there with Sloan)/Camper/Sutherland C: Burns/Friday/Young Ideally you’d have one more guard who can handle and create their own shot but that’s doable now. Adding Webster or Moore basically makes Hein and Darwiche obsolete without injuries and pushes Camper and Sloan. And again, I think we have Moore tomorrow if we want Moore tomorrow. So it’s really about figuring out what Webster is doing and going from there. Coach will definitely have his hands full figuring out the best potential rotations at the 2/3/4 spot between Carey, Camper, Sloan, Harris, Sutherland, Ratliff, Burns (w/ Friday at center), and Hein (perhaps not a world beater, but he did command minutes in a higher conference last year). Not to mention any combo guard we add, like Webster. Don't forget that part of why last year's team over-performed in some ways and was so fun to watch was their fantastic chemistry and team-first attitude. Will be an interesting challenge for Carm to foster healthy competition among players in practice while maintaining a close-knit team mindset. Still, I count this as a good challenge to have. Can't wait to see Harris Jr. suit up!
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