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Post by mike60 on May 30, 2019 7:38:17 GMT -5
Of course we won't know until the season starts. Look at last year. We ended up in 2nd place after some had us in last before the season began.But what makes some believe that some of the Maac teams are so good that if we don't get thus and so we will be in the dumpster. I dare say that the starting five and the first ones off the bench are better than last years team based on what some of our contributors had seen in scrimmages. Obviously if we can get a "game changer" then we should be a prohibitive favorite. I can have my fantasies.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 8:17:59 GMT -5
Of course we won't know until the season starts. Look at last year. We ended up in 2nd place after some had us in last before the season began.But what makes some believe that some of the Maac teams are so good that if we don't get thus and so we will be in the dumpster. I dare say that the starting five and the first ones off the bench are better than last years team based on what some of our contributors had seen in scrimmages. Obviously if we can get a "game changer" then we should be a prohibitive favorite. I can have my fantasies. Do not mistake my overall assessment as saying that 1st is not possible. Things happen once the season starts...injuries, suspensions, poorer or better than expect play. I'm merely saying that the likelihood of Siena being a 1st place team isn't as high as some other teams. Iona has a lot of shooters...much more than we have...some of which we've not even seen yet. Rider gets a ton of extra possessions from outrebounding teams and from TO margin...because they have a positive assist ratio AND force a ton of turnovers on D. Both are high PPS offenses. Siena can win. However, Pickett and Carey having a PPS of only around 1.20 won't do it. They get to 1.30...then we're talking. If Carey ups his steal rate to get that extra 20 steals I mentioned...then we're talking. That was no idle example. That's important. If Siena gets a PPS of near 1.30 (up from a shitty 1.20) because of 'attack' and 'finish'....then we can talk about defense being less important. By all means this is possible....and perhaps their best route to the promised land. If Burns continues to be that 1.40+ PPS big and gets high volume...like Fisher did with his poor 1.17 PPS....it can certainly turn things around fast. Then Siena could get by with less possessions and have more room for error.
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 30, 2019 8:24:36 GMT -5
I’ve never seen Carey play, but putting him in the top ten players in the league seems like a stretch based on his MSM numbers. Getting 3 All-MAAC team kids is a real accomplishment. 3 on the top two teams? Even tougher. I think how well players 4-7 play will determine our fate this year.
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Post by Tony on May 30, 2019 8:27:18 GMT -5
Of course we won't know until the season starts. Look at last year. We ended up in 2nd place after some had us in last before the season began.But what makes some believe that some of the Maac teams are so good that if we don't get thus and so we will be in the dumpster. I dare say that the starting five and the first ones off the bench are better than last years team based on what some of our contributors had seen in scrimmages. Obviously if we can get a "game changer" then we should be a prohibitive favorite. I can have my fantasies. Mike I get what you are saying, but the biggest question mark we have this year is the head coach himself. This is no way shape or form a shot at Carm, but you never know what you are going to get from 1st time head coach. I can speak for myself and say I would be more confident if JC was still here and Walker was still coming. And again its no shot at Carm, he might end up a better coach than JC - with unproven head coach, we just dont know yet
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 8:29:56 GMT -5
Ultimately, Pickett needs to be more efficient in scoring. His 1.23 PPS is a far cry from the 1.58 PPS Young absolutely carried Quinny with last year or even the 1.37 that Tyler Nelson kept FF afloat with all those years.
Pickett is better than those guys in every aspect but scoring. If Pickett puts up even Nelson type efficiency, a lot of problems just kind of fade away. People won't easily be able see why but it could be the underlying boost they'd need.
Perhaps the presence of Carey alongside Pickett, and vice versa, Pickett alongside Carey...helps to make them both more efficient by alleviating defensive pressure.
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Post by MTS on May 30, 2019 8:30:31 GMT -5
Have to score more points to be a championship contender. Scoring in the 60’s won’t cut it. Carm knows that we need to be in the 73-77 range. I expect our starters to put up at least 65 a game - Pickett 17, Carey 15, Burns 13, Seymour 12, Camper 8. We’ll need our bench to get the other 8-12 PPG.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 8:32:56 GMT -5
Have to score more points to be a championship contender. Scoring in the 60’s won’t cut it. Carm knows that we need to be in the 73-77 range. I expect our starters to put up at least 65 a game - Pickett 17, Carey 15, Burns 13, Seymour 12, Camper 8. We’ll need our bench to get the other 8-12 PPG. Until they get more efficient in scoring, simply playing faster and shooting more won't help. They need to define the pace that makes the most sense. To play fast it would take another 2 quick guards that can force turnovers. Then you can also make the case for trying to gain extra possessions.
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Post by $cott on May 30, 2019 8:40:00 GMT -5
Ultimately, Pickett needs to be more efficient in scoring. His 1.23 PPS is a far cry from the 1.58 PPS Young absolutely carried Quinny with last year or even the 1.37 that Tyler Nelson kept FF afloat with all those years. Pickett is better than those guys in every aspect but scoring. If Pickett puts up even Nelson type efficiency, a lot of problems just kind of fade away. People won't easily be able see why but it could be the underlying boost they'd need. Perhaps the presence of Carey alongside Pickett, and vice versa, Pickett alongside Carey...helps to make them both more efficient by alleviating defensive pressure. For much of the year Pickett didn't want to be the guy with the ball in his hands late in the game with the lead when the other team was fouling. Smithen was usually that guy. That took free points per shot away from Pickett and gave them to Smithen. Towards the end of the year Pickett got better from the line and started to want the ball late. I expect that to be every game next year. He can easily pick up 4 to 8 free points per game late from the line in close wins. That will do wonders for his PPS.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 8:41:45 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking, if Siena gets 1-2 more athletic and all-around capable guards...and ups the PPS/PPP...then Siena would probably be the favorite.
Siena both has to close the PPS gap with Iona and Rider and the possession gap with Rider. In a 1 game scenario, Siena could beat either one but the likelihood would go way up for Siena if the ballhawking, rebounding, and wing D were to take a significant leap from where I think it currently is.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 8:44:04 GMT -5
Ultimately, Pickett needs to be more efficient in scoring. His 1.23 PPS is a far cry from the 1.58 PPS Young absolutely carried Quinny with last year or even the 1.37 that Tyler Nelson kept FF afloat with all those years. Pickett is better than those guys in every aspect but scoring. If Pickett puts up even Nelson type efficiency, a lot of problems just kind of fade away. People won't easily be able see why but it could be the underlying boost they'd need. Perhaps the presence of Carey alongside Pickett, and vice versa, Pickett alongside Carey...helps to make them both more efficient by alleviating defensive pressure. For much of the year Pickett didn't want to be the guy with the ball in his hands late in the game with the lead when the other team was fouling. Smithen was usually that guy. That took free points per shot away from Pickett and gave them to Smithen. Towards the end of the year Pickett got better from the line and started to want the ball late. I expect that to be every game next year. He can easily pick up 4 to 8 free points per game late from the line in close wins. That will do wonders for his PPS. Partly true. However, Smithen had a very good 1.35 PPS the year before to go with his 1.64 of last year. It didn't come out of nowhere...attacking, getting fouled, and making his FTs was his game. Pickett is more of a 'prober' than a guy who draws a lot of contact.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 8:58:53 GMT -5
I’ve never seen Carey play, but putting him in the top ten players in the league seems like a stretch based on his MSM numbers. Getting 3 All-MAAC team kids is a real accomplishment. 3 on the top two teams? Even tougher. I think how well players 4-7 play will determine our fate this year. Carey CAN be in the top 10 players in the league. He's athletic and adaptable off the bounce, with a jumper. The question is, will he take his game up to that next level? He's not there yet. He needs to rebound better, defend better, and finish inside better. Hopefully the year off, working on his body and his game, has helped him get stronger to help with these things. I'm sure he was matched up vs. Pickett, Smithen, and Camper on the scout team all year...so he's been challenged.
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 30, 2019 9:13:33 GMT -5
I still believe this. This is, of course, Siena’s #1 advantage. However, if he’s say not fully but mostly cancelled out by say a Stevie Jordan...it then comes down to who surrounds them. And that my friend is the million dollar question!!! Listen we have all heard the reports on Carey and Burns. People I know and trust that are very close to program have told me both are very very good. But we have been fooled before ( anyone remember the hype on Patrick Cole?) GoldSaint thinks we have 3 of the top 10 players in conference, well if that's true Siena wins MAAC hands down. Just hard to put a finger on exactly how good Siena will be-- If Don and Elijah are what we hope them to be, Siena is in great shape, if either struggles, then not so good, if both struggle we in tough shape- much like Carm's coaching we wont know for sure until season starts In fairness, Pat Cole’s issue wasn’t his ability to play basketball, it was his inability to play with Marquis Wright or play for Patsos. He wound up averaging 20 per game on a tournament team.
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Post by Tony on May 30, 2019 9:24:36 GMT -5
For much of the year Pickett didn't want to be the guy with the ball in his hands late in the game with the lead when the other team was fouling. Smithen was usually that guy. That took free points per shot away from Pickett and gave them to Smithen. Towards the end of the year Pickett got better from the line and started to want the ball late. I expect that to be every game next year. He can easily pick up 4 to 8 free points per game late from the line in close wins. That will do wonders for his PPS. Partly true. However, Smithen had a very good 1.35 PPS the year before to go with his 1.64 of last year. It didn't come out of nowhere...attacking, getting fouled, and making his FTs was his game. Pickett is more of a 'prober' than a guy who draws a lot of contact. whoa whoa whoa-- you are getting carried away Smithin avg 4.8 ppg, dont care what his PPS was- it should have been sky high he wasn't guarded until he got the ball- almost all of his jump shots were wide open nobody within 10 feet of him. How bad did Jalen PPS suffer because he had to heave desperation shots up at the end of shot clock? That's where just stats alone just dont tell the whole story
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Post by Tony on May 30, 2019 9:25:37 GMT -5
And that my friend is the million dollar question!!! Listen we have all heard the reports on Carey and Burns. People I know and trust that are very close to program have told me both are very very good. But we have been fooled before ( anyone remember the hype on Patrick Cole?) GoldSaint thinks we have 3 of the top 10 players in conference, well if that's true Siena wins MAAC hands down. Just hard to put a finger on exactly how good Siena will be-- If Don and Elijah are what we hope them to be, Siena is in great shape, if either struggles, then not so good, if both struggle we in tough shape- much like Carm's coaching we wont know for sure until season starts In fairness, Pat Cole’s issue wasn’t his ability to play basketball, it was his inability to play with Marquis Wright or play for Patsos. He wound up averaging 20 per game on a tournament team. Pat Cole was a classic example of a kid that was a very good low major type player-- the level you play at makes a huge impact on your stats
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Post by jong10 on May 30, 2019 9:34:19 GMT -5
Partly true. However, Smithen had a very good 1.35 PPS the year before to go with his 1.64 of last year. It didn't come out of nowhere...attacking, getting fouled, and making his FTs was his game. Pickett is more of a 'prober' than a guy who draws a lot of contact. whoa whoa whoa-- you are getting carried away Smithin avg 4.8 ppg, dont care what his PPS was- it should have been sky high he wasn't guarded until he got the ball- almost all of his jump shots were wide open nobody within 10 feet of him. How bad did Jalen PPS suffer because he had to heave desperation shots up at the end of shot clock? That's where just stats alone just dont tell the whole story This point matters. Avoid the two or three desperation heaves to dodge shot clock violations and Pickett's efficiency goes up significantly. Playing alongside Don Carey should help in this regard as well.
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