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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 10:05:52 GMT -5
Here's an idea...let's trim gov't way back to their core (constitutional) mission - defense, immigration and commerce. Everyone gets to keep most of their money and the states can do as they please. RE: Get what you pay for: I get squat for public services for the level of taxation in this state. Schools: True enough but there's a happy middle ground. NYS throws tons of money toward failing (mostly urban and rural) districts. How's that better? Fed deficit: We took in a record amount of tax revenue. The "cut" paid for itself as the economy took off. We are simply overspending...mostly on sh!t the Fed government shouldn't be involved in. Most of us don't get to work or around town on snowmobiles. Most of us have sewer hookups. Bet you'd call the fire department pretty damn quick if needed. We have paved roads in our development - you must live on a farm and ride an atv on dirt roads. I guess the money spent on good schools is a waste too - wonder how bad the less well off school districts would be in your world. Tuition from kindergarten on or home school - that would work, LOL. I believe the government has actually taken in less tax revenue due to the massive cuts to the upper half of the equation. Sorry that you get no services - hope you aren't looking to sell your home at a profit... |
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 16, 2019 10:07:06 GMT -5
Here's an idea...let's trim gov't way back to their core (constitutional) mission - defense, immigration and commerce. Everyone gets to keep most of their money and the states can do as they please. RE: Get what you pay for: I get squat for public services for the level of taxation in this state. Schools: True enough but there's a happy middle ground. NYS throws tons of money toward failing (mostly urban and rural) districts. How's that better? Fed deficit: We took in a record amount of tax revenue. The "cut" paid for itself as the economy took off. We are simply overspending...mostly on sh!t the Fed government shouldn't be involved in. As to your idea, No thanks. That's what living in a third world country looks like. I want bridges and roads maintained on the interstate highway system. I want Amtrak to continue to operate. I want our nuclear reactors maintained. I want to make sure my bank deposits are federally insured in case my bank goes under. I don't want seniors to be left to rot with no source of income or healthcare after they've stopped working. I want our food and drugs tested and inspected, and I want the federal justice system to keep operating. I could keep going, but I trust I've made my point. You get more than you think for what you pay in taxes. I'm guessing you prefer driving on paved roads rather than dirt ones. I'm sure you also like having electricity. Unless you have a well, I assume you want to continue having access to potable water. And when you flush your toilet, I assume you want your shit to go somewhere else besides your property. Also, if you ever have to dial 911, I suspect you want someone to come help you. If you have kids, I assume you didn't home school them. Throwing money at poorer districts is better than the alternative of letting those children rot and become a permanent welfare class. The problem with people who share your viewpoint is that you take for granted everything that you get living in this country. You want it all to be free, but life doesn't work that way - and live would be miserable without all the public services you take for granted. We didn't take in record revenue. For starters the numbers you've been told are misleading. Individual income tax receipts were up by 7.8 percent. Corporate tax receipts were down by 28.5 percent - a whopping plunge. So we as individuals are paying more while the corporations got the tax break. Wonderful. Total receipts, which include individual and corporate income taxes as well as estate taxes, excise taxes, and tariff duties, were up between the first 10 months of 2017 and the first 10 months of 2018. The rise was modest - less than 1 percent. An increase, but not a record one. Having an increase is not noteworthy. The fact is a rise in tax collections is to be expected every year, barring a recession. Why? Because every year, the U.S. population grows, and - except during a recession - the size of the economy grows with the population. If you want to live in a place where the government provides just the bare basics in your ideal setup, try living in India for awhile. I'd love to see how long you last living there. |
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Post by glen on Apr 16, 2019 14:31:39 GMT -5
Umm, the rest of the country has fine roads and bridges - many better than NYS. If you like Amtrak then pay the true cost, not the subsidized cost. Not sure on the nukes...I think NY just spent a bunch on subsidies but that wouldn't be necessary if they let private enterprise actually site new reactors. FDIC is a reasonable extension of the monetary responsibility of the Feds. I'm all for safety nets but people need to be planning for their future. My point is there are LOTS of other states (not India) that are doing fine but don't treat everyone as a special interest group. The truth is if NYS wasn't so anti-business, even with their social largess they (we) would be much better off. re: tax cuts / revenue... www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/Per the article we're both right. Corp tax dropped 31% but overall receipts were higher. PS: I don't take much for granted. I got a note from Saratoga county this year with my tax bill complaining that 100% of the revenue received was preallocated to mandates. Remember NYS opted in on the medicare expansion - knowing full well that it wasn't fully funded from the Feds (I think it was only funded for a few years). Now we're paying! |
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Post by SaintsFan on Apr 23, 2019 12:59:54 GMT -5
i always find the libertarians to be the most whack jobs. In just about any of their formulas they refuse to account for human behavior such as greed etc.. In a perfect world we would need little government. We dont live in a perfect world.
Federal Revenue from corporate taxes in 1980 were approximately 45% of all federal taxes collected. Today it is less than 10%. The states are seeing similar declines. In fact, we are actually now cutting checks for businesses to exist in our communities. THAT is unsustainable. It is no surprise as to why we have the issues of today. If you and your spouse both work and contribute to your home and then one day one of you decides you just dont feel like contributing any more, your budget will be shot to shit. The country gaines its greatest economic strength on a balance of individual and business contribution. Big businesses has run a lot of small business into the ground AND opted out of participating in that balance.
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Post by Tony on Apr 23, 2019 16:42:55 GMT -5
i always find the libertarians to be the most whack jobs. In just about any of their formulas they refuse to account for human behavior such as greed etc.. In a perfect world we would need little government. We dont live in a perfect world. Federal Revenue from corporate taxes in 1980 were approximately 45% of all federal taxes collected. Today it is less than 10%. The states are seeing similar declines. In fact, we are actually now cutting checks for businesses to exist in our communities. THAT is unsustainable. It is no surprise as to why we have the issues of today. If you and your spouse both work and contribute to your home and then one day one of you decides you just dont feel like contributing any more, your budget will be shot to shit. The country gaines its greatest economic strength on a balance of individual and business contribution. Big businesses has run a lot of small business into the ground AND opted out of participating in that balance. If you are going to post stuff like that you must post correct info in 1980 corporate taxes was 12.5% of all taxes in 2015 it is 10.8%. individual income taxes make up a much larger share of all federal tax revenues than corporate taxes do, in part because the wages and salaries of all Americans are much larger than profits of all U.S. corporations. While individual and corporate income taxes are designated as federal funds, payroll taxes are designated as trust funds. Trust funds can be used only for very specific purposes - mainly to pay for Social Security and Medicare. Social Security, officially called the Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance program, is meant to ensure that elderly and disabled people do not live in poverty. As you know corporations pay half of payroll taxes which is 33.53 % of all taxes collected- without the corporations your social security and Medicare go right out the window. As for who is paying these income taxes The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 26.9 percent individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.7 percent).The top 25% of all wage earners pay 86% of all income tax collected |
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Post by Tony on Apr 23, 2019 17:27:28 GMT -5
I should add in 1980 Individual income taxes was 47.2% of all tax collected in 2015 it was 46.5 %-- so No Saints fan your numbers dont add up.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 8:53:30 GMT -5
Good topic. Keep up the battles boys, makes for good reading when there’s not a thing posted about hoops lately. Well, except for Jalen that is......
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there are 3 kids from syracuse that are going to enter the transfer portal.
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Post by rdjc on Sept 3, 2021 18:19:51 GMT -5
the transfer portal still has about 1000 kids that could transfer and play next year. how many do you think are interested in siena?
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there are 3 kids from syracuse that are going to enter the transfer portal.
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Post by rdjc on Sept 3, 2021 18:36:18 GMT -5
indian saint i have 2 new hondas and i pay less than 400 dollars a year to register. state sales tax is maximum of 300 dollars. roads down here are better than those in ny. no winters to speak of. i do not own a snow shovel. or a snow blower.
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