|
Post by SaintsFan on Feb 15, 2019 8:35:47 GMT -5
Fisher does deserve a lot of credit this year. But he has his own set of limitations. In particular, he cant defend ... well anyone. Even if he wasnt worried about fouls... he would just get in foul trouble and sit. He was missing layups from just after the opening tip through the second half. Own this one. I would love to have seen him come out and say... the team had an off night from the perimeter and I shouldve been able to step up. This one is on me. missing 6 to 8 layups the way he did... AND not get a single offensive rebound from those misses is absurd
|
|
nolesaint
Team Captain
Posts: 1,891
Dislikes:
|
Post by nolesaint on Feb 15, 2019 9:28:07 GMT -5
No one is criticizing the body of work that Evan has produced this year - he got a little sideways last night when momentum shifted and he, along with just about every other player in the playing group failed to regroup and collect themselves - something the HC and staff EXPECT them to do - that's all we are noting - they will all learn from it and, IMO, might now be better positioned to finish this surprising year than had they won by 15 last night...Evan's a great kid as are all of the others, no exceptions The guy gets more criticism than any player on this team on this board yet has done more than anybody other than JP to put us in a position to get a two seed in the tourney- unbelievable. Not sure he has done more than any player(Edit Note other than Jalen). This team really took it to another level when Manny and Kadeem started getting more time on the floor. Their defense and ability to help Jalen against pressure D have been huge this season. And a wonderful surprise has been how every game Kevin D. makes so many under the radar plays to help the team win it is really incredible. Personally I am so happy for ALL these young men. That being said even though Evan plays a vital role and really helps with the offensive load he has become a black hole lately and that is hurting the team. A team which has several members playing keys roles in putting the team in a position to possibly as you say "get a two seed in the tourney." For the record I don't know the young man, he seems like a good rep of the program and school who works hard on the court but that doesn't make him immune from constructive criticism.
|
|
|
Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2019 9:35:03 GMT -5
In fairness to Evan. he is facing increasing pressure via double and triple teams in direct response to increased time for Kadeem and Manny- both Jalen and Evans numbers are down as more and more teams figure out you dont have to guard Manny or Kadeem -its a big problem with our limited roster. Was it a one game aberration or has the MAAC figured out how to guard Siena-- probably a combination of both. Staff has to figure out something, because rest assured Quinny will double Jalen and Evan
|
|
skipc
Sophomore
Posts: 596
Dislikes:
|
Post by skipc on Feb 15, 2019 9:46:57 GMT -5
Fisher does deserve a lot of credit this year. But he has his own set of limitations. In particular, he cant defend ... well anyone. Even if he wasnt worried about fouls... he would just get in foul trouble and sit. He was missing layups from just after the opening tip through the second half. Own this one. I would love to have seen him come out and say... the team had an off night from the perimeter and I shouldve been able to step up. This one is on me. missing 6 to 8 layups the way he did... AND not get a single offensive rebound from those misses is absurd LOL- missed 6 to 8 lay ups- bullshit! You may it sound like no one is guarding him in the paint when he's trying to finish- he's usually being defended by bigger, stronger guys with another defender helping out- you see how successful you'd be at finishing all of those shots or passing out of it.His limitations are a lot less than anyone on the team other than JP and that's a fact. Keep on playing hard Evan and drown out all the naysayers, we need you down the stretch.
|
|
|
Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2019 9:57:33 GMT -5
Fisher does deserve a lot of credit this year. But he has his own set of limitations. In particular, he cant defend ... well anyone. Even if he wasnt worried about fouls... he would just get in foul trouble and sit. He was missing layups from just after the opening tip through the second half. Own this one. I would love to have seen him come out and say... the team had an off night from the perimeter and I shouldve been able to step up. This one is on me. missing 6 to 8 layups the way he did... AND not get a single offensive rebound from those misses is absurd LOL- missed 6 to 8 lay ups- bullshit! You may it sound like no one is guarding him in the paint when he's trying to finish- he's usually being defended by bigger, stronger guys with another defender helping out- you see how successful you'd be at finishing all of those shots or passing out of it.His limitations are a lot less than anyone on the team other than JP and that's a fact. Keep on playing hard Evan and drown out all the naysayers, we need you down the stretch. Evan missed one wide open layup-- hey Evan didnt have a good game, it happens. I'd rather concentrate on the Quinny game. Quinny is sure to double both Jalen and Evan, I hope Jamion has a plan on how to deal with it
|
|
OneIndian
Associate Head Coach
Posts: 10,674
Dislikes:
|
Post by OneIndian on Feb 15, 2019 10:40:08 GMT -5
Not gonna nitpick players performance etc....
It’s been a good year, and I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would say JC staff and roster haven’t exceeded expectations. I suspect we end the regular season around 11-6 / 16-15. Not bad with all the injuries and current roster.
Anything can happen in the tournament, we have as good a shot as anyone!
|
|
|
Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 15, 2019 10:41:37 GMT -5
It’s been a GREAT year given expectations.
|
|
$cott
Assistant Coach
Posts: 5,075
Dislikes:
|
Post by $cott on Feb 15, 2019 12:14:07 GMT -5
Fisher does deserve a lot of credit this year. But he has his own set of limitations. In particular, he cant defend ... well anyone. Even if he wasnt worried about fouls... he would just get in foul trouble and sit. He was missing layups from just after the opening tip through the second half. Own this one. I would love to have seen him come out and say... the team had an off night from the perimeter and I shouldve been able to step up. This one is on me. missing 6 to 8 layups the way he did... AND not get a single offensive rebound from those misses is absurd LOL- missed 6 to 8 lay ups- bullshit! You may it sound like no one is guarding him in the paint when he's trying to finish- he's usually being defended by bigger, stronger guys with another defender helping out- you see how successful you'd be at finishing all of those shots or passing out of it.His limitations are a lot less than anyone on the team other than JP and that's a fact. Keep on playing hard Evan and drown out all the naysayers, we need you down the stretch. For the record, ESPN play-by-play has Evan with 6 missed layups, 3 in each half. All were early in the half when fatigue isn't an excuse. 1st half 18:42 Evan Fisher missed Layup. 0 - 0 15:33 Evan Fisher missed Layup. 4 - 2 14:04 Evan Fisher missed Layup. 7 - 7 2nd half 19:38 Evan Fisher missed Layup. 26 - 30 19:02 Evan Fisher missed Layup. 28 - 30 14:26 Evan Fisher missed Layup. 36 - 34
|
|
|
Post by SaintsFan on Feb 15, 2019 12:21:34 GMT -5
Fisher does deserve a lot of credit this year. But he has his own set of limitations. In particular, he cant defend ... well anyone. Even if he wasnt worried about fouls... he would just get in foul trouble and sit. He was missing layups from just after the opening tip through the second half. Own this one. I would love to have seen him come out and say... the team had an off night from the perimeter and I shouldve been able to step up. This one is on me. missing 6 to 8 layups the way he did... AND not get a single offensive rebound from those misses is absurd LOL- missed 6 to 8 lay ups- bullshit! You may it sound like no one is guarding him in the paint when he's trying to finish- he's usually being defended by bigger, stronger guys with another defender helping out- you see how successful you'd be at finishing all of those shots or passing out of it.His limitations are a lot less than anyone on the team other than JP and that's a fact. Keep on playing hard Evan and drown out all the naysayers, we need you down the stretch. i dont care who was guarding him... go back and watch the video... when he FINALLY got to the end of his move there was nothing between him and the layup. He just bricked them. Dudes a senior been bigger than most of the people on the court for near his whole career. what does it say when as a senior in a conference having a horrendous year you trying to say that most of the people are bigger and stronger than he is??? really??? by all means keep giving it your all evan. we agree on that... but he has a LOT of limitations. That is why Patsos got him. if i was 6'9" i would be chiseled by my senior year and throwing down on half of every shot i took. With his pivot moves he actually gets himself quite open... its the limitation of that 3 inch vertical that holds him back
|
|
|
Post by runner87 on Feb 15, 2019 15:58:01 GMT -5
Reading the comments focused on Fisher reminds me that criticizing big men is a tradition for some fans. I've often wondered why this happens. Because a guy is 6-9 then the game is supposed to be easy for him? Why doesn't he just dunk it? A familiar refrain from all those arm chair competitors.
My memory goes back to an NIT game in 1991 against FDU. Mike Deane sent center Steve Downey into the lineup late in a tie game and fans booed Downey heartily. I was disgusted. Downey shook off that treatment, helped Siena win that game and the next one against South Carolina. He closed with a great game in a losing effort to John Calipari's UMASS team.
A couple years later I had the misfortune of having my seats directly in front of 2 guys who delighted in bitching (all year) about Matt Gras. Gras was a starter and key player on the Bennerman-lead team that rolled up 25 wins and made the NIT Final Four in 94.
Fast forward, different seats and different fans, but the same treatment for Javion Ogunyemi. Despite Javion's obvious improvement and excellent contributions, he could never do enough for some.
Fans pay their money and can say whatever they want, but I wish the people doing the bitching at games were just as vocal when a shot goes in, many are not.
I have great respect for anyone who can play Division 1 basketball. And that respect grows even more when I see a player improve as much as Fisher has. I see him as a vocal and effective leader. He must have worked so hard on his game to develop his array of post moves and I've seen him knock down a bunch of 10-15 footers this year too. Without him, I wonder if Siena would have 6 wins.
|
|
nolesaint
Team Captain
Posts: 1,891
Dislikes:
|
Post by nolesaint on Feb 15, 2019 16:44:21 GMT -5
Reading the comments focused on Fisher reminds me that criticizing big men is a tradition for some fans. I've often wondered why this happens. Because a guy is 6-9 then the game is supposed to be easy for him? Why doesn't he just dunk it? A familiar refrain from all those arm chair competitors. My memory goes back to an NIT game in 1991 against FDU. Mike Deane sent center Steve Downey into the lineup late in a tie game and fans booed Downey heartily. I was disgusted. Downey shook off that treatment, helped Siena win that game and the next one against South Carolina. He closed with a great game in a losing effort to John Calipari's UMASS team. A couple years later I had the misfortune of having my seats directly in front of 2 guys who delighted in bitching (all year) about Matt Gras. Gras was a starter and key player on the Bennerman-lead team that rolled up 25 wins and made the NIT Final Four in 94. Fast forward, different seats and different fans, but the same treatment for Javion Ogunyemi. Despite Javion's obvious improvement and excellent contributions, he could never do enough for some. Fans pay their money and can say whatever they want, but I wish the people doing the bitching at games were just as vocal when a shot goes in, many are not. I have great respect for anyone who can play Division 1 basketball. And that respect grows even more when I see a player improve as much as Fisher has. I see him as a vocal and effective leader. He must have worked so hard on his game to develop his array of post moves and I've seen him knock down a bunch of 10-15 footers this year too. Without him, I wonder if Siena would have 6 wins. Can only speak for myself but in my opinion you and several others seem to have taken constructive criticism of Evan as an affront to a fine young man and plain and simply my comments are intended to be anything worthy of such umbrage. We all make mistakes, we all go into little funks from time to time. Evan is no different. When shots aren't falling, you're not executing things you should (make wide-open point blank lay-ups, not get rebounds you should) you need to find other ways to help your team especially when your being successful in drawing multiple defenders or on the flip side find yourself wide-open. Kick the ball out when the help D comes, try attacking the basket to draw fouls and so on. None of my comments have to do with taking issue with a 'big' it has to do with his decision making. Evan seems like a good kid whom I imagine would do some things differently if he could reply the Iona game. Hopefully he and the rest of the team will regroup for the stretch run and execute better including adjusting to (aka take advantage of) what the D gives them and, simply adjust their own individual in-game decision making based on what is working for them and what isn't.
|
|
hoopjunkie
Associate Head Coach
Posts: 12,479
Dislikes:
|
Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 15, 2019 17:04:26 GMT -5
The WHOLE team had a bad night. Even the NBA player, but it usually comes down to, "Evan stinks" or "these other guys cant shoot." Yes, Evan has shot too much lately and it needs to be addressed by his head coach. I think part of it is he still plays too much. Ideally he should play 28 minutes a game, not 36. I think bringing Sammy back could really help us, even though I'm big proponent of redshirting and its advantages. Since we have as good a chance as anyone THIS year to win this thing, I want Sammy back for the stretch run to give Evan a good 6 min blow each half. It'll come into play that 2nd week in March too with 3 games in 4 days (hopefully) when we could use fresh legs. Why Kadeem gets lumped in with Manny as a "bad shooter" is laughable. Since JC finally figured out that Kadeem was the superior player to 33, he's been the main reason we went on this 7 wins out of 8 (one loss he fouled out and only got 18 min). Before this last game, and since he got 25+ a night starting with the Niagara game, hes averaged: 8ppg on 54% shooting from the field, 54% from the 3 pt line and 80% from the FT line. Anyone shoot that well during our hot streak?? We wont even talk about the defensive attitude he's bought to the table. JC has let him wear that boxing robe more than Shannon Miller wore it! Manny, during the same 8 game stretch shot 31% from the field and lets just say he hasnt MADE a 3 pt attempt since Dec 5th, so his % is irrelevant. Calling Manny a bad shooter is justified. Calling Kadeem one is laughable. Knocking kids that shoot 54%, and glorifying kids that shoot 36% JC wil show us all what hes made of Sunday. I fully expect the kids to play the way that gave them the most success so far. Slow down, make the extra pass and finish plays. I think our guys will be ready.
|
|
|
Post by MTS on Feb 15, 2019 17:36:59 GMT -5
As poorly as we played we had a 13 point lead with 8 minutes to go... good news is Ratliff may play on Sunday. Just an extra guy will help.
Siena has a little bit of a break that they will have had three plus days of rest since Wednesday night while Quinny is playing at home tonight at 8pm and have to travel up here. Hopefully Marist gives them a tough game. We'll be ready to go on Sunday but it's time we start making open shots. JC and staff has had us in EVERY game but two this year.
Don't know about Sammy's return this year but he could definitely help make a push for a MAAC tournament championship.
|
|
|
Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2019 17:42:30 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on bringing Sammy back this year. I guess I'd only consider bringing him back if JC was reasonably confident Sammy could go for 4 to 6 min a half. I do agree Evan would probably play better in a 28 to 30 min a game scenario
|
|
indian82
Assistant Coach
Posts: 6,450
Dislikes:
|
Post by indian82 on Feb 15, 2019 18:07:25 GMT -5
First off, I really don't like criticizing a player outright but that 30'er was, IMO, the god-awful worst shot ever forced up by a Siena player given time and situation...a brain fart for sure and one we'll likely not see again - only redeeming factor might have been he was afraid of a travelling call and just launched - I have to buy a new wine glass for the condo we're in because of that shot... If it's the one I am thinking of, didn't Evan have no choice as the clock was winding down and he was just passed the ball?
|
|