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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2019 18:13:00 GMT -5
Watching Fisher the last 2 games has been especially frustrating. He is shooting 15-37 from the field and continues to have a terrible shot selection. He has the mindset of every time he touches the ball he needs to shoot. He should never be taking more than 10-12 shots a game. He missed a large number of open guys on the perimeter. Hopefully JC and the staff can get through to him that he doesn’t need to shoot every time he gets the ball. He was much better earlier in the season getting a couple assists a game and therefore helping to eliminate bad shots. Hopefully last night was a wake up call to the team after having their best stretch of basketball this season. I trust JC and the staff and believe he’ll have them ready for a nice bounce back on Sunday Who takes the shots then? You have a 6 man rotation- Sloan and Degnan can't create their own shots and only shoot when wide open, Manny is a rebounder and defender who can't shoot from the outside and when he drive usually can't finish, Kadeem doesn't look to shoot and doesn't trust his shot and Jalen is usually double or triple teamed. So, Evan takes some ill advised shots because there are few B options with the shot clock running down. Does he make bad decisions at times- of course he does but I'm pretty sure that Coach is telling him he wants him to be aggressive and he completely trusts him because he knows that there is no plan b,c or d. The guy had 18 points- take his offense out of the equation and we'll be playing games in the 40's with over/under's set at 90. Your point isnt without merit, Evan has to shoot for this team to be successful. However having said that Evan was routinely getting 2 or 3 assists a game. The last 4 or 5 games Evan is getting 1 or 0 assists a game, his shooting pct is dropping like a rock as is his PPS. He is being double sometimes triple teamed, earlier in year he was passing out of them resulting in layup for one of his teammates and further discouraging teams from double or triple teaming Evan. Lately he has become a black hole, once the ball goes in Evan will shoot no matter how bad the shot is. Last night Evan took at least half a dozen ill advised shots over double or triple teams or the bone head 30 foot three point attempt with 17 seconds left on shot clock. Several times one of Evan's teammates was standing under the hoop unguarded as Evan forced up a shot. That is my point, Evan has to forget about "getting his" and get back to team play if this team is to be successful. If Evan passes out of double triple teams and Siena scores it will make teams think twice about double triple teaming him. I wasn't sitting far from Cluess last night and could hear him yelling to his team to double Jalen ( as soon as he touched ball) and to double Evan if he was within 10-12 feet of the hoop
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Post by Tony on Feb 14, 2019 18:29:20 GMT -5
And BTW for those wondering the Iona players doubling Jalen or Evan was most times whoever was guarding Kadeem or Manny
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:41:59 GMT -5
And BTW for those wondering the Iona players doubling Jalen or Evan was most times whoever was guarding Kadeem or Manny So true, Boss...seems like the mind had been made up before the floor was surveyed...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:49:26 GMT -5
First off, I really don't like criticizing a player outright but that 30'er was, IMO, the god-awful worst shot ever forced up by a Siena player given time and situation...a brain fart for sure and one we'll likely not see again - only redeeming factor might have been he was afraid of a travelling call and just launched - I have to buy a new wine glass for the condo we're in because of that shot...
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Post by skipc on Feb 14, 2019 19:30:53 GMT -5
Who takes the shots then? You have a 6 man rotation- Sloan and Degnan can't create their own shots and only shoot when wide open, Manny is a rebounder and defender who can't shoot from the outside and when he drive usually can't finish, Kadeem doesn't look to shoot and doesn't trust his shot and Jalen is usually double or triple teamed. So, Evan takes some ill advised shots because there are few B options with the shot clock running down. Does he make bad decisions at times- of course he does but I'm pretty sure that Coach is telling him he wants him to be aggressive and he completely trusts him because he knows that there is no plan b,c or d. The guy had 18 points- take his offense out of the equation and we'll be playing games in the 40's with over/under's set at 90. Your point isnt without merit, Evan has to shoot for this team to be successful. However having said that Evan was routinely getting 2 or 3 assists a game. The last 4 or 5 games Evan is getting 1 or 0 assists a game, his shooting pct is dropping like a rock as is his PPS. He is being double sometimes triple teamed, earlier in year he was passing out of them resulting in layup for one of his teammates and further discouraging teams from double or triple teaming Evan. Lately he has become a black hole, once the ball goes in Evan will shoot no matter how bad the shot is. Last night Evan took at least half a dozen ill advised shots over double or triple teams or the bone head 30 foot three point attempt with 17 seconds left on shot clock. Several times one of Evan's teammates was standing under the hoop unguarded as Evan forced up a shot. That is my point, Evan has to forget about "getting his" and get back to team play if this team is to be successful. If Evan passes out of double triple teams and Siena scores it will make teams think twice about double triple teaming him. I wasn't sitting far from Cluess last night and could hear him yelling to his team to double Jalen ( as soon as he touched ball) and to double Evan if he was within 10-12 feet of the hoop Wow- you think he’s worried about getting his? This guy has been the ultimate team player and leaves it on the court every game day. The other teams know there are only two guys on our team they have to worry about and one of them is the guy the board loves to blame when we lose. We would suck if he didn’t have the senior year he is having and JC knows it.
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Post by notomo on Feb 14, 2019 19:31:42 GMT -5
My view: Evan has to shoot less unless he can figure out how to make bunnies under pressure; Shaun needs to shoot more-that's his role as designated shooter and he does it pretty well; TH needs to shoot every new moon or so; JP needs to call his own number more often-think that bomb that went awry was an aberration. Inadvisable but he has made a few. Offense in general is too constrained.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 20:25:52 GMT -5
Your point isnt without merit, Evan has to shoot for this team to be successful. However having said that Evan was routinely getting 2 or 3 assists a game. The last 4 or 5 games Evan is getting 1 or 0 assists a game, his shooting pct is dropping like a rock as is his PPS. He is being double sometimes triple teamed, earlier in year he was passing out of them resulting in layup for one of his teammates and further discouraging teams from double or triple teaming Evan. Lately he has become a black hole, once the ball goes in Evan will shoot no matter how bad the shot is. Last night Evan took at least half a dozen ill advised shots over double or triple teams or the bone head 30 foot three point attempt with 17 seconds left on shot clock. Several times one of Evan's teammates was standing under the hoop unguarded as Evan forced up a shot. That is my point, Evan has to forget about "getting his" and get back to team play if this team is to be successful. If Evan passes out of double triple teams and Siena scores it will make teams think twice about double triple teaming him. I wasn't sitting far from Cluess last night and could hear him yelling to his team to double Jalen ( as soon as he touched ball) and to double Evan if he was within 10-12 feet of the hoop Wow- you think he’s worried about getting his? This guy has been the ultimate team player and leaves it on the court every game day. The other teams know there are only two guys on our team they have to worry about and one of them is the guy the board loves to blame when we lose. We would suck if he didn’t have the senior year he is having and JC knows it. No one is criticizing the body of work that Evan has produced this year - he got a little sideways last night when momentum shifted and he, along with just about every other player in the playing group failed to regroup and collect themselves - something the HC and staff EXPECT them to do - that's all we are noting - they will all learn from it and, IMO, might now be better positioned to finish this surprising year than had they won by 15 last night...Evan's a great kid as are all of the others, no exceptions
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Post by gorvy on Feb 14, 2019 20:54:01 GMT -5
JMO but Pickett should be taking the most shots. Hard to rely on a guy making shots when he can’t make a layup and misses 6-8 shots 2 feet from the basket in ONE game You're right. Ideally Jalen is the guy you want to carry the offensive workload. But, as has been mentioned in other posts, Jalen is often being guarded by two and sometimes three defenders. That severely limits his ability to get a decent look at the basket. Until he gets more offensive help, and the number of shot attempts is more evenly distributed, I don't see how Jalen will consistently lead the team in the number of shots. I don’t care if he takes the most shot, but he needs to take over in the last 10 minutes. There were several times when he had a good shot but deferred. He’s a freshman, and one of the best we’ve had, but that’s where we are at right now.
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Post by MTS on Feb 14, 2019 20:56:53 GMT -5
You're right. Ideally Jalen is the guy you want to carry the offensive workload. But, as has been mentioned in other posts, Jalen is often being guarded by two and sometimes three defenders. That severely limits his ability to get a decent look at the basket. Until he gets more offensive help, and the number of shot attempts is more evenly distributed, I don't see how Jalen will consistently lead the team in the number of shots. I don’t care if he takes the most shot, but he needs to take over in the last 10 minutes. There were several times when he had a good shot but deferred. He’s a freshman, and one of the best we’ve had, but that’s where we are at right now. He will next year. It's hard for frosh especially at the mid-major level to take over games. As good as Hasbrouck and Ubiles were they didn't do it either. I do think if we're going to make a run Jalen might have to move up his sophomore year and do it this year. He should be taking and making the most shots for Siena in every game.
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Post by skipc on Feb 14, 2019 21:08:26 GMT -5
Wow- you think he’s worried about getting his? This guy has been the ultimate team player and leaves it on the court every game day. The other teams know there are only two guys on our team they have to worry about and one of them is the guy the board loves to blame when we lose. We would suck if he didn’t have the senior year he is having and JC knows it. No one is criticizing the body of work that Evan has produced this year - he got a little sideways last night when momentum shifted and he, along with just about every other player in the playing group failed to regroup and collect themselves - something the HC and staff EXPECT them to do - that's all we are noting - they will all learn from it and, IMO, might now be better positioned to finish this surprising year than had they won by 15 last night...Evan's a great kid as are all of the others, no exceptions The guy gets more criticism than any player on this team on this board yet has done more than anybody other than JP to put us in a position to get a two seed in the tourney- unbelievable.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 14, 2019 22:07:52 GMT -5
Since conference play began he’s shooting just under 45% from 3. 40% is "just under 45% from 3?"
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Post by rpize24 on Feb 14, 2019 22:29:01 GMT -5
Since conference play began he’s shooting just under 45% from 3. 40% is "just under 45% from 3?" Technically it was 44.7% including last night's game
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 14, 2019 23:46:41 GMT -5
40% is "just under 45% from 3?" Technically it was 44.7% including last night's game I got 38 for 95 in MAAC play. What do you have?
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Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2019 5:55:32 GMT -5
The Siena site has Sloan 38 for 95 or 40% from 3 in conference play. Going forward Sloan will have to do more than just shoot. But he is a devastating weapon to have. A few times in Iona game Sloan’s man was guy who doubled and Cluess blew a fuse over it. Goes to show you what a job this staff is doing. They have to balance a lot of one dimensional players and come up with a winning formula. You have Sloan that can only shoot, and you have Kadeem and Manny who Iona wasn’t even guarding unless they had ball. Defense is great but no games are won 6 to 4. Staff is looking for a balance, and it’s not easy with this roster and the injuries we have had
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Post by rpize24 on Feb 15, 2019 8:06:03 GMT -5
Technically it was 44.7% including last night's game I got 38 for 95 in MAAC play. What do you have? Initially I had 38-85 but the 38-95 is correct. However the point still remains that even though he's not the best in many aspects of the game he's done a nice job of knocking down 3's which is clearly his best asset
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