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Post by MikeC on Feb 12, 2019 16:03:47 GMT -5
What a difference the coaching makes, huh? College Hoops is 100% about the coaching. Glad we finally got a good one, after the last 2 duds. PS, the MAAC SUCKS this year...thanks Ensor.
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Post by MTS on Feb 12, 2019 16:07:47 GMT -5
All about coaching in college basketball especially at the mid-major level. Let's hope we can keep JC for 4-5 years and start picking good coaches consistently.
Good to see you post, Mike!
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 12, 2019 16:08:16 GMT -5
Please educate us, why is it Ensor’s fault? Please be specific.
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Post by MikeC on Feb 12, 2019 16:12:36 GMT -5
Please educate us, why is it Ensor’s fault? Please be specific. He's the leader of a conference that has slowly, but surely, sunk to the bottom. Awesome job.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 12, 2019 16:25:49 GMT -5
And it’s the policies that led to the downfall, as predicted.
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Post by MikeC on Feb 12, 2019 16:37:47 GMT -5
And it’s the policies that led to the downfall, as predicted. Any idiot could have predicted the results...unfortunately the leadership of the MAAC and Siena did not have the foresight of the average. Now we find ourselves here...at the bottom of D1.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 12, 2019 16:44:02 GMT -5
Too many D1 programs as well, 353 programs is far too many!
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Post by MikeC on Feb 12, 2019 16:46:23 GMT -5
Too many D1 programs as well, 353 programs is far too many! Agreed. But it's not too embarrassing to be at the bottom of that heap, is it? Again, thanks Ensor.
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 12, 2019 22:49:26 GMT -5
The state of the MAAC is not on Ensor. The league schools are to blame. Look at the budgets and facilities. The coaching is largely terrible because you get what you pay for. Iona has consistently done well because they have no admissions standards, so Grasso (who's now gone) was able to take kids no one else would, and they do pay Cluess well, but it seems that their otherwise low commitment might be finally catching up with them. Our peer leagues are supposed to be leagues like the CAA or WCC. Check out the facilities, budgets, and coaching salaries in those leagues these days. Siena, Quinny, and Monmouth are the only ones "keeping up with the Joneses" of Div. 1 so to speak. The rest of the league is funded at the NEC level - so we're starting to look like that league. To be a decent true mid-major these days, your budget starts in the $2.5m to $3m range, and/or you're not playing in a high school gym. I believe Siena and Quinny currently stand as the only MAAC schools with hoops budgets that would be within A-10 range, albeit at the low end.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 5:34:40 GMT -5
The state of the MAAC is not on Ensor. The league schools are to blame. Look at the budgets and facilities. The coaching is largely terrible because you get what you pay for. Iona has consistently done well because they have no admissions standards, so Grasso (who's now gone) was able to take kids no one else would, and they do pay Cluess well, but it seems that their otherwise low commitment might be finally catching up with them. Our peer leagues are supposed to be leagues like the CAA or WCC. Check out the facilities, budgets, and coaching salaries in those leagues these days. Siena, Quinny, and Monmouth are the only ones "keeping up with the Joneses" of Div. 1 so to speak. The rest of the league is funded at the NEC level - so we're starting to look like that league. To be a decent true mid-major these days, your budget starts in the $2.5m to $3m range, and/or you're not playing in a high school gym. I believe Siena and Quinny currently stand as the only MAAC schools with hoops budgets that would be within A-10 range, albeit at the low end. Good points, so where does Siena go from here? Status quo which seems to be Spending at a higher level for what the MAAC has become, try a move up and become a LaSalle or Fordham or cut the budgets to what other MAAC schools pay and suffer the consequences?
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Post by Tony on Feb 13, 2019 5:50:59 GMT -5
While Ensor should share some of the blame, the conference is run by school presidents. Biggest problem the conference has had is bad head coaches. Siena has had Mitch and JP- two very bad choices, Niagara wouldn’t pay Mihalic and has been in crapper with Casey since. Rice can recruit, but will never be confused with coach K. FF pays Sydney Johnson big bucks and he stinks as coach. Manhattan should never have taken Mas back. Marist wouldn’t pay Brady and has been in toilet since then
Since Siena has been in MAAC I cannot remember a year when Manhattan, Iona and Siena all have RPI over 200- so plenty of blame to go around. Before we point fingers at Ensor- Siena has not held up their end of things the last 9 years. I believe we finally have right man at helm to change that
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 13, 2019 7:40:31 GMT -5
The state of the MAAC is not on Ensor. The league schools are to blame. Look at the budgets and facilities. The coaching is largely terrible because you get what you pay for. Iona has consistently done well because they have no admissions standards, so Grasso (who's now gone) was able to take kids no one else would, and they do pay Cluess well, but it seems that their otherwise low commitment might be finally catching up with them. Our peer leagues are supposed to be leagues like the CAA or WCC. Check out the facilities, budgets, and coaching salaries in those leagues these days. Siena, Quinny, and Monmouth are the only ones "keeping up with the Joneses" of Div. 1 so to speak. The rest of the league is funded at the NEC level - so we're starting to look like that league. To be a decent true mid-major these days, your budget starts in the $2.5m to $3m range, and/or you're not playing in a high school gym. I believe Siena and Quinny currently stand as the only MAAC schools with hoops budgets that would be within A-10 range, albeit at the low end. Good points, so where does Siena go from here? Status quo which seems to be Spending at a higher level for what the MAAC has become, try a move up and become a LaSalle or Fordham or cut the budgets to what other MAAC schools pay and suffer the consequences? Siena is going nowhere... they may be willing to ante up for basketball but not the travel budgets for all other sports required to change to higher conference Ensor should get Fordham or La Salle to rejoin and go to two 6 team divisions
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 13, 2019 7:49:44 GMT -5
The state of the MAAC is not on Ensor. The league schools are to blame. Look at the budgets and facilities. The coaching is largely terrible because you get what you pay for. Iona has consistently done well because they have no admissions standards, so Grasso (who's now gone) was able to take kids no one else would, and they do pay Cluess well, but it seems that their otherwise low commitment might be finally catching up with them. Our peer leagues are supposed to be leagues like the CAA or WCC. Check out the facilities, budgets, and coaching salaries in those leagues these days. Siena, Quinny, and Monmouth are the only ones "keeping up with the Joneses" of Div. 1 so to speak. The rest of the league is funded at the NEC level - so we're starting to look like that league. To be a decent true mid-major these days, your budget starts in the $2.5m to $3m range, and/or you're not playing in a high school gym. I believe Siena and Quinny currently stand as the only MAAC schools with hoops budgets that would be within A-10 range, albeit at the low end. Good points, so where does Siena go from here? Status quo which seems to be Spending at a higher level for what the MAAC has become, try a move up and become a LaSalle or Fordham or cut the budgets to what other MAAC schools pay and suffer the consequences? Siena doesn't go anywhere from here. They are just as quilty of poor program management with the lazy, uninspired coaching hires they made in 2010 and 2013. While they have finally righted the ship on that account, they still barely fund the program at what is now considered the mid-major level. Keep in mind that the A-10 is considered a true mid-major league. And while Siena wouldn't have the lowest budget in that league, it would be bottom three or four. And JC would probably be the lowest paid coach in that league. They're not even in the ballpark of the high end of that league. I don't know where Siena stands budget wise in comparison to the other current preeminent east coast mid-major league - the CAA - but I'm betting they'd probably be mid-pack. So for the time being, the MAAC is right where Siena belongs. They can't afford the A-10. And I wouldn't want to join Hofstra in crappy situation in a league that's more in line with our aspirations, but makes little geographic sense. Better to strive to be the big fish that a small pond then try to be a guppie swimming amongst sharks. And don't get me started on the woman's side. No way the men's head coach would survived as long as Ali Jaques has with her record. She hasn't exactly eclipsed Gina Castelli. I like her, and I'm sensitive to what her and her fiance are going through, but she needs to get it going eventually. In 2015, Siena extended her until 2020.
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Post by glen on Feb 13, 2019 8:04:38 GMT -5
Siena should never have extended Jimmy like they did. He won the CBI and they treated it like it was a national championship. They also should have had Mitch on shorter leash. He was a huge gamble. I don't mind taking the gamble but waiting 3 years for him to crater what Fran built was effing STUPID. Putting themselves in a situation where they couldn't buy out Jimmy was doubly stupid. That said, the rest of the MAAC schools tend to go 5-8 years with a crappy coach before dropping the axe. The league has lots of new coaches so a down cycle is to be expected.
Funny how someone pointed out the MAAC spends at NEC levels and then noted that 2 of the top 3 budgets are former NEC schools. 1/3 the league is former NEC schools, right (Mon, Quin, Rider, Marist) so no surprise we're turning into the NEC. I'm not sure how to fix this as it isn't just a $$$ problem although that's part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 8:56:08 GMT -5
I like Siena1971s idea. Bring LaSalle and Fordham back get rid of one school and go to 12 teams. Hmmmm who goes?
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