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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:01:27 GMT -5
Big problem for Darwiche is that his skill set does not lend itself to this roster and fellow team deficiencies. As someone noted above... you cant have Darwiche, Seymour, Degnan, Ratliff, Fisher, Tchougang, Huerter on the floor at the same time without having someone who can create for themselves. As our speed and athleticism increase throughout the team there could be a role for someone like Darwiche and his skill set. The team struggles when every player on the floor is one dimensional... especially when limited in speed/athleticism. That being said... Darwiche has a LOT to work on between now and next year. Hopefully he chooses to put that work in. The problem with Darwiche, as was my worry when he signed, is that even in Europe he wasn't a double digit scorer nor did he have a high assist rate. I think he's always been this kind of undersized combo guard who is neither pure PG nor SG. He's probably a better shooter than what he's shown to date but it doesn't really change the fact that he's kind of position-less while also not being a scorer, rebounder, OR defensive playmaker. Maybe he's 'ok' in a man to man defensive scenario but he's not making plays or getting his team possessions. He's just kind of 'present and accounted for'. That's just not good enough to justify minutes to if you want to win your league. Either he came in and proved he could be an Aidas and up his assist rate enough to be useful or he'd up his scoring volume to justify use as a scoring combo. However, they were both gambles as they're asking him to do things that, by available stats, it didn't look like he had done before this level. He's too unpolished and position-less. I think he was just a poor choice.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 11, 2019 11:18:38 GMT -5
Big problem for Darwiche is that his skill set does not lend itself to this roster and fellow team deficiencies. As someone noted above... you cant have Darwiche, Seymour, Degnan, Ratliff, Fisher, Tchougang, Huerter on the floor at the same time without having someone who can create for themselves. As our speed and athleticism increase throughout the team there could be a role for someone like Darwiche and his skill set. The team struggles when every player on the floor is one dimensional... especially when limited in speed/athleticism. That being said... Darwiche has a LOT to work on between now and next year. Hopefully he chooses to put that work in. “As someone noted above... you cant have Darwiche, Seymour, Degnan, Ratliff, Fisher, Tchougang, Huerter on the floor at the same time ... .” Correct, Siena would get flagged for to many players on the court. Ten yard penalty repeat down.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 11, 2019 11:25:02 GMT -5
Big problem for Darwiche is that his skill set does not lend itself to this roster and fellow team deficiencies. As someone noted above... you cant have Darwiche, Seymour, Degnan, Ratliff, Fisher, Tchougang, Huerter on the floor at the same time without having someone who can create for themselves. As our speed and athleticism increase throughout the team there could be a role for someone like Darwiche and his skill set. The team struggles when every player on the floor is one dimensional... especially when limited in speed/athleticism. That being said... Darwiche has a LOT to work on between now and next year. Hopefully he chooses to put that work in. The problem with Darwiche, as was my worry when he signed, is that even in Europe he wasn't a double digit scorer nor did he have a high assist rate. I think he's always been this kind of undersized combo guard who is neither pure PG nor SG. He's probably a better shooter than what he's shown to date but it doesn't really change the fact that he's kind of position-less while also not being a scorer, rebounder, OR defensive playmaker. Maybe he's 'ok' in a man to man defensive scenario but he's not making plays or getting his team possessions. He's just kind of 'present and accounted for'. That's just not good enough to justify minutes to if you want to win your league. Either he came in and proved he could be an Aidas and up his assist rate enough to be useful or he'd up his scoring volume to justify use as a scoring combo. However, they were both gambles as they're asking him to do things that, by available stats, it didn't look like he had done before this level. He's too unpolished and position-less. I think he was just a poor choice. I’m hoping with a full summer of Siena workouts maybe he can become the player the coaches envisioned. He was always behind everyone else coming late in the summer and then getting injured. Heck, who knows, maybe his lack of PT is he reinsured himself (and coaches didn’t want to publicize it). I do like the idea that the coaches maybe chose to reduce his mind and play KS more because of your or someone else’s comment that they figured out stat wise KS has more +’s.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 11, 2019 11:34:56 GMT -5
I’d rather get the scholarship back...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:37:23 GMT -5
The problem with Darwiche, as was my worry when he signed, is that even in Europe he wasn't a double digit scorer nor did he have a high assist rate. I think he's always been this kind of undersized combo guard who is neither pure PG nor SG. He's probably a better shooter than what he's shown to date but it doesn't really change the fact that he's kind of position-less while also not being a scorer, rebounder, OR defensive playmaker. Maybe he's 'ok' in a man to man defensive scenario but he's not making plays or getting his team possessions. He's just kind of 'present and accounted for'. That's just not good enough to justify minutes to if you want to win your league. Either he came in and proved he could be an Aidas and up his assist rate enough to be useful or he'd up his scoring volume to justify use as a scoring combo. However, they were both gambles as they're asking him to do things that, by available stats, it didn't look like he had done before this level. He's too unpolished and position-less. I think he was just a poor choice. I’m hoping with a full summer of Siena workouts maybe he can become the player the coaches envisioned. He was always behind everyone else coming late in the summer and then getting injured. Heck, who knows, maybe his lack of PT is he reinsured himself (and coaches didn’t want to publicize it). I do like the idea that the coaches maybe chose to reduce his mind and play KS more because of your or someone else’s comment that they figured out stat wise KS has more +’s. Or maybe they read the MAAC board and they were sick of reading my incessant whining about it in every game thread for the month previous to the change. I made an especially big fuss about in mid-January around the Niagara game. He's like the George McFly of Siena. When he puts his mind to it, he can accomplish anything. Once the kid punches out Biff Tannen a few times, he'll be good to go. Biff Tannen has hit the floor a few times now. Rollin'.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 11, 2019 11:38:04 GMT -5
I’d rather get the scholarship back... Yeah, that was my other thought but it’s teally hard for me to criticize my team (players/coaches) so I find it hard to say it on the board. I’m still pulling for him but if it doesn’t work out, I’m sure the coaching staff will do the right thing and find the best place for him.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 11, 2019 11:38:45 GMT -5
I’m hoping with a full summer of Siena workouts maybe he can become the player the coaches envisioned. He was always behind everyone else coming late in the summer and then getting injured. Heck, who knows, maybe his lack of PT is he reinsured himself (and coaches didn’t want to publicize it). I do like the idea that the coaches maybe chose to reduce his mind and play KS more because of your or someone else’s comment that they figured out stat wise KS has more +’s. Or maybe they read the MAAC board and they were sick of reading my incessant whining about it in every game thread for the month previous to the change. I made an especially big fuss about in mid-January around the Niagara game. He's like the George McFly of Siena. When he puts his mind to it, he can accomplish anything. Once the kid punches out Biff Tannen a few times, he'll be good to go. Biff Tannen has hit the floor a few times now. Rollin'. Yes, or what you said. Hey, where ever the coaching staff gets their info from is fine with me because what ever they’re doing seems to be working.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:52:04 GMT -5
Or maybe they read the MAAC board and they were sick of reading my incessant whining about it in every game thread for the month previous to the change. I made an especially big fuss about in mid-January around the Niagara game. Biff Tannen has hit the floor a few times now. Rollin'. Yes, or what you said. Hey, where ever the coaching staff gets their info from is fine with me because what ever they’re doing seems to be working. To be fair, at the time, I didn't expect him to literally be wearing boxing gloves after most games. But, it helps create the visual imagery, so I'm all for it.
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Post by pepbanddrumalum on Feb 11, 2019 11:54:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:58:18 GMT -5
If Ratliff and/or Friday come back in time to adequately back fill the current weaknesses in the 7th/8th man spots, they could possibly make that tourney appearance happen. However, they're fast running out of time to where a return could be in time to get them acclimated back into the rotation.
It will be tough for 6 guys to keep up this kind of defensive energy for multiple games in a row. They need a couple more guys they can count on.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 11, 2019 12:06:10 GMT -5
I don't think it was a different Smithen or even a different team. It was a different JC.
Smithen's +/- was top 3 on the team even in Nov./Dec.
He gets you more possessions (rebs, stls, drawn charges) even before you talk about FG% defense. And he's always had a great PPS and A/TO. People were too focused on the quantity of points he got Siena rather than the quality of those points (PPS) and most importantly the additional possessions.
Kadeem is just being Kadeem. He's the same old energy guy he's always been. It's just now he's being valued and used accordingly. It's not like this is even the first time we've gotten a 'Kadeem bump'. He did the same thing this time last year when given more mins...though he's being used now better than Patsos used him. In my opinion, this run is largely because of that ~4+ ppg point differential that we were previously missing out on. All those steals, deflections, and add'l rebounds etc that he always gets... they add up over the course of a game. They both prevent other team from taking shots and add more shots to us.
Thank Kadeem Smithen for this run. He was the piece they should have known a month earlier they were missing. But now that they know, they're dangerous.
Welcome back, KK! I want to propose an alternate theory on why things have progressed as they have regarding the Smithen/Darwiche playing time discussion. I think it is likely that Darwiche was being played over Smithen primarily in order to help prepare him for his role on the team next year. I think it is also likely that JC and staff were putting less importance on wins this year until fairly recently, when it became apparent that they could actually contend for a title in what has become a wide open conference. All of a sudden, the "win NOW" mentality has taken over, and appropriately so. Combine that with the fact that Darwiche has not progressed a whole lot in recent appearances and here we are! KK - It seems likely that you were correct to be skeptical about Georges - with the returning and incoming players next year, I don't know that there will be a place for him based on what I've seen this season. I hope it wasn’t that as I never liked that mentality. All the games are important. I’d be more inclined to believe that Smithen took awhile to adjust to the new system, which actually plays to his strengths in many respects.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 11, 2019 12:06:21 GMT -5
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Post by gorvy on Feb 11, 2019 12:12:58 GMT -5
I too worry about sustaining the defensive buy-in next year, but hey that’s a problem for next year.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 11, 2019 12:14:12 GMT -5
I’d rather get the scholarship back... Yeah, that was my other thought but it’s teally hard for me to criticize my team (players/coaches) so I find it hard to say it on the board. I’m still pulling for him but if it doesn’t work out, I’m sure the coaching staff will do the right thing and find the best place for him. JC recruited him . . . if he's putting the maximum effort in practices & workouts I can't see his scholarship being pulled IMHO
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 11, 2019 12:24:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that was my other thought but it’s teally hard for me to criticize my team (players/coaches) so I find it hard to say it on the board. I’m still pulling for him but if it doesn’t work out, I’m sure the coaching staff will do the right thing and find the best place for him. JC recruited him . . . if he's putting the maximum effort in practices & workouts I can't see his scholarship being pulled IMHO Most of the Euro guys want to play or they head back... I think there’s a decent chance GD will leave if he doesn’t expect to play. We’ll see. I will say there’s a pretty good chance we get at least one and maybe more scholarships to work with.
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