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Post by hoopsforever on Feb 10, 2019 23:23:12 GMT -5
MTS, thanks for the updated standings and schedule info, you posted - very helpful. I have once again printed below the standings with the format I have used the last few weeks as I think the double digit wins and double digit losses is an important stat to keep in mind. Winning teams with not many double digit wins are able to win the close ones. Losing teams with many double digit losses shows a real weakness and a team that could suffer more blow out losses. Also, I think it is fun to see how Siena did against each team as MTS said, tiebreakers may be critical as the tourney nears. Thanks!
Team with Won-Lost Record..... [double digit wins vs. double digit losses]... how Siena did vs. this team
1. Monmouth 9-4 [5-3]..... Siena lost twice (once in OT) 2. Siena 8-4 [2-1] - 2. Canisius 8-4 [1-1]..... Siena lost at home after holding a BIG lead 4. Quinnipiac 7-4 [3-0]..... DNP - so the single game vs. Bobcats at home will be critical 5. Rider 7-5 [2-0]........ Siena WON the only meeting of the two teams 6. Iona 6-6 [3-1]....... Siena WON with the second meeting coming up Wednesday 7. Manhattan 5-7 [3-5]..... Siena swept both games 7. Marist 5-7 [3-2]....... Siena won at Marist and plays them at home shortly 9. Niagara 4-8 [1-5]....... Siena won at home vs. the Purple Eagles 10. Fairfield 4-9 [2-4]..... Siena swept the Stags 11. St. Peters 3-8 [0-3]..... Siena lost the first game of the MAAC season at St. Peter's
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Post by hoopsforever on Feb 10, 2019 23:35:11 GMT -5
One last interesting fact about our Saints:
Over the past 8 games, where Siena has gone 7 wins with a single loss and currently riding a four game win streak heading into a four game TUC home stand-
Siena has held the opponent to 60 points or less in 7 of those 8 games, and all SEVEN of them were wins. The lone game where Siena did not hold the other team to 60 or less was the 55-66 loss at Monmouth.
In fact, for the season....
Siena holds the opposing team to 60 or less points.... record is 9 wins 2 losses
Siena allows the opposing team to go 61 or more....... record is 4 wins 10 losses
JC has certainly figured out how to play the games and win with these kids. As he said in today's interview, he is just having fun coaching these kids who have been "underappreciated".
Go Saints!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 23:49:09 GMT -5
The scary thing is that Siena could have won the 2nd Holy Cross game, SPU, Canisius, and 1st Monmouth games had Jamion realized Smithen should be playing sooner. Right before this run, I had it calculated on the MAAC board that not playing Smithen over Darwiche was costing this team about 4 ppg in point differential up to that point in the year.
Saints could have had at least 2-3 more wins if Jamion had realized sooner the need to play him. They could easily be like 16-9 (11-1 in MAAC) right now or even better.
Even with this misstep though, JC should be the MAAC coach of the year.
It took him awhile to catch on but now he's rocking the D better than I would have expected and utilizing everyone to their full strengths. He's finally putting guys like Smithen and Camper on the ball...something Patsos never caught on to..but which you'd think would be common sense. He's been managing timeouts well all year but now that his rotations are finally what they should be, the other things like game management, play calling, and timeouts are really making them even better and helping them grind out the close ones.
Other than the Darwiche signing and the early poor rotation choices, I think JC has done about as good of job this year as you could hope for. He has them really clicking and playing to each player's individual strengths. It's been a fun year to watch.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 11, 2019 0:11:42 GMT -5
The scary thing is that Siena could have won the 2nd Holy Cross game, SPU, Canisius, and 1st Monmouth games had Jamion realized Smithen should be playing sooner. Right before this run, I had it calculated on the MAAC board that not playing Smithen over Darwiche was costing this team about 4 ppg in point differential up to that point in the year.
Saints could have had at least 2-3 more wins if Jamion had realized sooner the need to play him. They could easily be like 16-9 (11-1 in MAAC) right now or even better.
Even with this misstep though, JC should be the MAAC coach of the year.
It took him awhile to catch on but now he's rocking the D better than I would have expected and utilizing everyone to their full strengths. He's finally putting guys like Smithen and Camper on the ball...something Patsos never caught on to..but which you'd think would be common sense. He's been managing timeouts well all year but now that his rotations are finally what they should be, the other things like game management, play calling, and timeouts are really making them even better and helping them grind out the close ones.
Other than the Darwiche signing and the early poor rotation choices, I think JC has done about as good of job this year as you could hope for. He has them really clicking and playing to each player's individual strengths. It's been a fun year to watch.
Good to have you back, KK. I would generally agree that we might have won more with Smithen than Darwiche.... but it was a different Smithen and really a different team then. JC is pulling all the right cards... letting Camper and Smithen just blow stuff up defensively and both are really good straight-line drivers. They also pass the ball well, so it takes pressure off Jalen. Then you’ve got Seymour hitting 3’s, and Degnan doing the little things in a poor-mans Brett Bisping role. But Siena could have lost today and last Saturday against Iona and we’d just be fighting for a bye right now... it’s hard to say that this team would somehow be 11-1 or 10-2 with those guys. Siena has an identity now. They know what they want to do on every possession, they are smart, well-schooled, and don’t beat themselves. JC talks about the connectivity a lot and it’s palpable. That alone is enough to have us right in every game and then we just keep making plays late in games to win.
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Post by MTS on Feb 11, 2019 0:24:09 GMT -5
Good to have KK back...I agree that perhaps Smithen could’ve helped by playing more earlier but I’m not sure record wise we’d be a lot better. Kadeem has really turned it on lately. He was not playing on this level a month ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 0:25:05 GMT -5
The scary thing is that Siena could have won the 2nd Holy Cross game, SPU, Canisius, and 1st Monmouth games had Jamion realized Smithen should be playing sooner. Right before this run, I had it calculated on the MAAC board that not playing Smithen over Darwiche was costing this team about 4 ppg in point differential up to that point in the year.
Saints could have had at least 2-3 more wins if Jamion had realized sooner the need to play him. They could easily be like 16-9 (11-1 in MAAC) right now or even better.
Even with this misstep though, JC should be the MAAC coach of the year.
It took him awhile to catch on but now he's rocking the D better than I would have expected and utilizing everyone to their full strengths. He's finally putting guys like Smithen and Camper on the ball...something Patsos never caught on to..but which you'd think would be common sense. He's been managing timeouts well all year but now that his rotations are finally what they should be, the other things like game management, play calling, and timeouts are really making them even better and helping them grind out the close ones.
Other than the Darwiche signing and the early poor rotation choices, I think JC has done about as good of job this year as you could hope for. He has them really clicking and playing to each player's individual strengths. It's been a fun year to watch.
Good to have you back, KK. I would generally agree that we might have won more with Smithen than Darwiche.... but it was a different Smithen and really a different team then. JC is pulling all the right cards... letting Camper and Smithen just blow stuff up defensively and both are really good straight-line drivers. They also pass the ball well, so it takes pressure off Jalen. Then you’ve got Seymour hitting 3’s, and Degnan doing the little things in a poor-mans Brett Bisping role. But Siena could have lost today and last Saturday against Iona and we’d just be fighting for a bye right now... it’s hard to say that this team would somehow be 11-1 or 10-2 with those guys. Siena has an identity now. They know what they want to do on every possession, they are smart, well-schooled, and don’t beat themselves. JC talks about the connectivity a lot and it’s palpable. That alone is enough to have us right in every game and then we just keep making plays late in games to win. I don't think it was a different Smithen or even a different team. It was a different JC.
Smithen's +/- was top 3 on the team even in Nov./Dec.
He gets you more possessions (rebs, stls, drawn charges) even before you talk about FG% defense. And he's always had a great PPS and A/TO. People were too focused on the quantity of points he got Siena rather than the quality of those points (PPS) and most importantly the additional possessions.
Kadeem is just being Kadeem. He's the same old energy guy he's always been. It's just now he's being valued and used accordingly. It's not like this is even the first time we've gotten a 'Kadeem bump'. He did the same thing this time last year when given more mins...though he's being used now better than Patsos used him.
In my opinion, this run is largely because of that ~4+ ppg point differential that we were previously missing out on. All those steals, deflections, and add'l rebounds etc that he always gets... they add up over the course of a game. They both prevent other team from taking shots and add more shots to us.
Thank Kadeem Smithen for this run. He was the piece they should have known a month earlier they were missing. But now that they know, they're dangerous.
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Post by psycholojets on Feb 11, 2019 0:26:58 GMT -5
It is a pleasure to watch a well coached team!
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Post by Sienafan on Feb 11, 2019 0:43:49 GMT -5
Welcome back to this board KK. I agree with you that JC erred in going with Darwiche over Smithen and not really using Kadeem enough. Hindsight is always 20/20. But it's the mark of a good coach when they see the error in their ways and reverse their decisions instead of being stubborn and sticking with the same thing despite it not working.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 1:01:19 GMT -5
Welcome back to this board KK. I agree with you that JC erred in going with Darwiche over Smithen and not really using Kadeem enough. Hindsight is always 20/20. But it's the mark of a good coach when they see the error in their ways and reverse their decisions instead of being stubborn and sticking with the same thing despite it not working. You may remember that in the Manhattan game thread on MAAC board I said that a potential Smithen offensive bump is the next evolution for this team. He's rarely ever been given the true vote of confidence he's starting to get. At the end of last year, he started to get it and reeled off a few double digit point games.
What people don't often realize is that a Smithen double digit scoring game is usually worth more than other Saints because of how efficiently he gets those points. He takes so many FTs per shot taken that his offensive efficiency is tops on the team...off the charts right now really. He was good last year too.
After tonight, Smithen has scored 103 pts on just 59 shots this season. That's a PPS of 1.75. Siena's team PPS is a bad 1.18.
Smithen is being set loose to attack the rack more. You can start to see it developing slowly and I've hoped for it all year.
That means higher team PPS for this team. The more points Smithen gets for this team, the better, because most likely they'll be from the FT line.
The more he evolves down the stretch, the better off this team will be. Set the kid loose.
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Post by Tony on Feb 11, 2019 4:57:21 GMT -5
Welcome back KK..
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Post by mike60 on Feb 11, 2019 5:51:56 GMT -5
Welcome back. I didn't always agree with you but I enjoy your comments and analysis. I don't know this of course, but perhaps the coach and K didn't see eye to eye earlier. Fortunately they have both moved some. Whatever, we are where we are now and that's what counts. The rest is waster over the dam.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 11, 2019 6:05:35 GMT -5
I agree with kk. In my head I always thought that Smithen was being undervalued but could have never articulated it as well. But water under the bridge now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 6:26:17 GMT -5
Siena would have 2-3 more wins (HC game 2, SPU, Can) if Camper wasn’t injured.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 11, 2019 6:38:54 GMT -5
Anyone watching early on the season saw a completely different smithen. He was dribbling off his foot, throwing passes into the crowd, clogging on offense as he didnt know where he was supposed to be. Overall his biggest issue at the time was FORCING things. Smithen Camper and others were struggling to help Pickett bring the ball up. Some of these things stats dont show. To imply that playing smithen earlier was going to yield more wins is not necessarily true. Coach gave him time to settle down and learn the system, settle in to his role. Strange how that is being twisted into a coaching failure of not playing him earlier.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 11, 2019 7:27:57 GMT -5
Anyone watching early on the season saw a completely different smithen. He was dribbling off his foot, throwing passes into the crowd, clogging on offense as he didnt know where he was supposed to be. Overall his biggest issue at the time was FORCING things. Smithen Camper and others were struggling to help Pickett bring the ball up. Some of these things stats dont show. To imply that playing smithen earlier was going to yield more wins is not necessarily true. Coach gave him time to settle down and learn the system, settle in to his role. Strange how that is being twisted into a coaching failure of not playing him earlier. It was combination of not playing with confidence and basically his minutes given to GD.............this Smithen is the Smithen all along the moment he arrived from Richmond, these are the things he can bring to the table if he is given the opportunity to flourish...............much like Degnan, Patsos never could figure out how to really put anyone in a position to succeed...........again, some didn’t even think Kadeem could play PG, LOL...............this coach understands how to best utilize his talent, and he has made the adjustments along the way to put the team in the best position to compete/win games, bet he will continue that trend down the stretch as well......
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