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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 17, 2019 9:50:36 GMT -5
Lets put the saddle where it belongs. Scoring 40, 45, 57, 60 ,60 pts is not going to win you very many games. The offensive strategy for this team appears to be lacking. I am far from being a basketball genius like some of you, but take off the "free pass" glasses. JC is a young coach with MUCH to learn. In this hockey players opinion, when you substitute, you change the offensive philosophy to suit the players on the floor, don't force what you have on the clipboard on them. This has nothing to do with defense or "mayhem". I would add, this is not on the kids at all, they are playing to win, just doing what they are told. Wrong. Mayhem is a philosophy/frame of mind in addition to a style of play. So Mayhem exists currently as all players bought into the “mindset”. The Mayhem “style of play” will occur once the proper players are recruited for that style. Wasn’t there an article or two written about Mayhem in Nov explaining all this? Am I the only one who remembers reading it? The coach in interviews on tv repeated this Mayhem mindset. People trying to use the Mayhem playing style only as criteria w/o acknowledging the mundset criteria must have their own agenda against the coach or something. you have to ignore those folks who simply ignore the need to have gone through the concussion protocol, as their logic gets skewed...…………...
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Post by hockeyguy on Jan 17, 2019 9:58:22 GMT -5
I will not get into a personal affront with you, not sure what is wrong with you, but something is. For the record, I have never had a concussion.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 17, 2019 10:34:43 GMT -5
Or anyone with eyes can see it’s the farthest thing from Mayhem. Let’s call our selves “The Dunkers” since it’s the opposite of what we do. I guess it’s hard for the bad basketball minds to understand what LAST in the country means?! Don’t worry guardian angel, I already said it should be different next year. At least I hope. I like pressing and running basketball and we haven’t had it in a decade. Lmfao ... you’re such a historical revisionist. You bitched about Jumbo’s 60’s style stall ball all the time ..... right? BTW love how you’ve been covering your a$$ so you can jump on the bandwagon. See ya’ then coach! I hated our half court offense under JP, and I told him so. (He basically only ran “flex”) I thought we weren’t bringing him up? 🤦♂️ You’re right, you keep calling our style of play “Mayhem” this year, and I ll keep using one hand to count the opponents turnovers. Like I said, hopefully next year is a different story. You call it “covering your ass” and I call it being honest in this years evaluation . So I guess I ll keep covering my ass, while you kiss his.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 17, 2019 10:38:48 GMT -5
Lets put the saddle where it belongs. Scoring 40, 45, 57, 60 ,60 pts is not going to win you very many games. The offensive strategy for this team appears to be lacking. I am far from being a basketball genius like some of you, but take off the "free pass" glasses. JC is a young coach with MUCH to learn. In this hockey players opinion, when you substitute, you change the offensive philosophy to suit the players on the floor, don't force what you have on the clipboard on them. This has nothing to do with defense or "mayhem". I would add, this is not on the kids at all, they are playing to win, just doing what they are told. Wrong. Mayhem is a philosophy/frame of mind in addition to a style of play. So Mayhem exists currently as all players bought into the “mindset”. The Mayhem “style of play” will occur once the proper players are recruited for that style. Wasn’t there an article or two written about Mayhem in Nov explaining all this? Am I the only one who remembers reading it? The coach in interviews on tv repeated this Mayhem mindset. People trying to use the Mayhem playing style only as criteria w/o acknowledging the mundset criteria must have their own agenda against the coach or something. There was an article where JC says he doesn’t have the horses to execute his Mayhem style this year? I missed it. If he admits, what we all already see/know, then we all can agree that the Mayhem style is on the shelf until next year when reinforcements get here. What’s so hard about that??
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Post by $cott on Jan 17, 2019 10:58:59 GMT -5
Wrong. Mayhem is a philosophy/frame of mind in addition to a style of play. So Mayhem exists currently as all players bought into the “mindset”. The Mayhem “style of play” will occur once the proper players are recruited for that style. Wasn’t there an article or two written about Mayhem in Nov explaining all this? Am I the only one who remembers reading it? The coach in interviews on tv repeated this Mayhem mindset. People trying to use the Mayhem playing style only as criteria w/o acknowledging the mundset criteria must have their own agenda against the coach or something. There was an article where JC says he doesn’t have the horses to execute his Mayhem style this year? I missed it. If he admits, what we all already see/know, then we all can agree that the Mayhem style is on the shelf until next year when reinforcements get here. What’s so hard about that?? I think there are three components to the Mayhem concept, the first is the mentality of hard work and positivity. The second is shooting a lot of 3 pointers. The third is a high energy, press you full court defense that is going to force a lot of turnovers. Two of the components are on display this year, the third will hopefully show up next year when there are more athletes on the court. We do still desperately need that rim protector to ever fully implement the system.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 17, 2019 11:30:43 GMT -5
Lmfao ... you’re such a historical revisionist. You bitched about Jumbo’s 60’s style stall ball all the time ..... right? BTW love how you’ve been covering your a$$ so you can jump on the bandwagon. See ya’ then coach! I hated our half court offense under JP, and I told him so. (He basically only ran “flex”) I thought we weren’t bringing him up? 🤦♂️ You’re right, you keep calling our style of play “Mayhem” this year, and I ll keep using one hand to count the opponents turnovers. Like I said, hopefully next year is a different story. You call it “covering your ass” and I call it being honest in this years evaluation . So I guess I ll keep covering my ass, while you kiss his. Please show me where I’ve referred to our style of play this year as “Mayhem” in any of my posts. Lmfao. Honest? I’ve never seen anyone try to rewrite history more than you. Me kissing JCs a$$ is pretty comical considering you spent 5 long years as Jumbos chief proctologist. I’ve think you’ve suffered permanent tunnel vision as a result! Keep spinning!
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 17, 2019 11:47:06 GMT -5
There was an article where JC says he doesn’t have the horses to execute his Mayhem style this year? I missed it. If he admits, what we all already see/know, then we all can agree that the Mayhem style is on the shelf until next year when reinforcements get here. What’s so hard about that?? I think there are three components to the Mayhem concept, the first is the mentality of hard work and positivity. The second is shooting a lot of 3 pointers. The third is a high energy, press you full court defense that is going to force a lot of turnovers. Two of the components are on display this year, the third will hopefully show up next year when there are more athletes on the court. We do still desperately need that rim protector to ever fully implement the system. Thank you. For a minute I thought I was the only one who read those two articles in the fall and/or heard JC speak publicly about it on tv and in person at all the Siena events before the season started. All the negative comments by a select few regarding the playing style only is materially skewing the other components that are in place this year. Thanks again Scott.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 17, 2019 11:47:42 GMT -5
I hated our half court offense under JP, and I told him so. (He basically only ran “flex”) I thought we weren’t bringing him up? 🤦♂️ You’re right, you keep calling our style of play “Mayhem” this year, and I ll keep using one hand to count the opponents turnovers. Like I said, hopefully next year is a different story. You call it “covering your ass” and I call it being honest in this years evaluation . So I guess I ll keep covering my ass, while you kiss his. Please show me where I’ve referred to our style of play this year as “Mayhem” in any of my posts. Lmfao. Honest? I’ve never seen anyone try to rewrite history more than you. Me kissing JCs a$$ is pretty comical considering you spent 5 long years as Jumbos chief proctologist. I’ve think you’ve suffered permanent tunnel vision as a result! Keep spinning! You’re obsessed with JP. Let it go. Has nothing to do with Mayhem
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 17, 2019 11:50:43 GMT -5
Wrong. Mayhem is a philosophy/frame of mind in addition to a style of play. So Mayhem exists currently as all players bought into the “mindset”. The Mayhem “style of play” will occur once the proper players are recruited for that style. Wasn’t there an article or two written about Mayhem in Nov explaining all this? Am I the only one who remembers reading it? The coach in interviews on tv repeated this Mayhem mindset. People trying to use the Mayhem playing style only as criteria w/o acknowledging the mundset criteria must have their own agenda against the coach or something. There was an article where JC says he doesn’t have the horses to execute his Mayhem style this year? I missed it. If he admits, what we all already see/know, then we all can agree that the Mayhem style is on the shelf until next year when reinforcements get here. What’s so hard about that?? No, the article did not specifically mention since no horses no Mayhem style of play. That part is implied but the readers since we’re currently not able to fully play that style (of defense). However, we have achieved the other two components of the Mayhem concept. That’s the part of the two articles I was referring to (but you probably knew that and still wanted to argue one point).
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Post by ltf on Jan 17, 2019 14:28:41 GMT -5
Trying to get a handle on "mayhem". From what I read mayhem is a mindset (philosophy)and a style of play. The players have embraced the first part but are not playing the style yet. So we have mental mayhem but not physical mayhem. Also has 3 components: work hard, launch threes and aggressive defense. So we are almost there, we play hard and launch threes like they are going out of style but don't play defense. I think I got it now!
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Jan 17, 2019 15:55:25 GMT -5
Hoopjunkie is right on target with this. Nothing wrong with any one of us questioning the coaching, regardless if it's in the 1st year or the 10th year.
It's not a show of support for JP by questioning JC. I was so done with JP and his slow down controlled (understatement) type of game when he did have a roster that should have gone to the Big Dance.
I do not believe we are saying this is how it will be next year. We are saying that we are hoping that it will be different than what we see in the style of play this year. And that has nothing to do with the roster.
My main question is this?
If you have a free pass this year, and though close, you are still losing consistently, and still struggling to score points, and get good shots, why not for at least a one game, one half, one 10 minute stretch, one possession (ok, I know I am trying to just make a point with that one), try to run what you believe will be your version of mayhem next year....with this years team?
Unless what we are already seeing is mayhem with this years roster (I surely hope not?)?
Why would you not do this with this years team at least once or twice, or three times a charm when you could have 3 out of the 5 players who you might have on the court at the same time next year on this years team?
Who knows...you might just find some level of success with it.....this year on a short term basis within the framework of a game, a half, a 10 minute stretch with a certain combination of guys on this years roster?
Come on coach. Show your fans what mayhem will look like next year with this years team.
Give us at least some hope of what we can be looking forward to. For at least a short stretch. Please!
I cant stand to see Pickett get another steal in the frontcourt and immediately put on the brakes waiting for the other team and his own players jogging up the court for another 30 second possesion when you could have gotten off a high percentage drive to the hoop; trailing 3; delayed cutter; in 5-8 seconds.
D'Argenio has ruined this program with his coaching choices and lack of coresite so please show us he made the right choice with you. I have all the confidence in the world that you are the right choice.
I just need to see something more this year in terms of style of play for at least a short amount of time to restore my confidence that your the right choice.
It's been 8(+) agonizing years since Fran left town. I can't continue to go through this slow down ball for much longer.
Just look around you with programs that are successful. Recruits, players, and fans alike get energized by up tempo "controlled mayhem" basketball. Offense. It doesn't have to be crazy offense. Just up tempo offensive minded hoop with agressive defense is what wins you games and builds fan bases.
Just give us a taste of it right now (or tell us what we are seeing this year is mayhem with just a different roster so we know not to renew next year) to be able to savor for next year.
I would think no one on this board would have a problem with this regardless if was successful or not since you do have a free pass this year.
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Post by $cott on Jan 17, 2019 16:02:14 GMT -5
Hoopjunkie is right on target with this. Nothing wrong with any one of us questioning the coaching, regardless if it's in the 1st year or the 10th year. It's not a show of support for JP by questioning JC. I was so done with JP and his slow down controlled (understatement) type of game when he did have a roster that should have gone to the Big Dance. I do not believe we are saying this is how it will be next year. We are saying that we are hoping that it will be different than what we see in the style of play this year. And that has nothing to do with the roster. My main question is this? If you have a free pass this year, and though close, you are still losing consistently, and still struggling to score points, and get good shots, why not for at least a one game, one half, one 10 minute stretch, one possession (ok, I know I am trying to just make a point with that one), try to run what you believe will be your version of mayhem next year....with this years team? Unless what we are already seeing is mayhem with this years roster (I surely hope not?)? Why would you not do this with this years team at least once or twice, or three times a charm when you could have 3 out of the 5 players who you might have on the court at the same time next year on this years team? Who knows...you might just find some level of success with it.....this year on a short term basis within the framework of a game, a half, a 10 minute stretch with a certain combination of guys on this years roster? Come on coach. Show your fans what mayhem will look like next year with this years team. Give us at least some hope of what we can be looking forward to. For at least a short stretch. Please! I cant stand to see Pickett get another steal in the frontcourt and immediately put on the brakes waiting for the other team and his own players jogging up the court for another 30 second possesion when you could have gotten off a high percentage drive to the hoop; trailing 3; delayed cutter; in 5-8 seconds. D'Argenio has ruined this program with his coaching choices and lack of coresite so please show us he made the right choice with you. I have all the confidence in the world that you are the right choice. I just need to see something more this year in terms of style of play for at least a short amount of time to restore my confidence that your the right choice. It's been 8(+) agonizing years since Fran left town. I can't continue to go through this slow down ball for much longer. Just look around you with programs that are successful. Recruits, players, and fans alike get energized by up tempo "controlled mayhem" basketball. Offense. It doesn't have to be crazy offense. Just up tempo offensive minded hoop with agressive defense is what wins you games and builds fan bases. Just give us a taste of it right now (or tell us what we are seeing this year is mayhem with just a different roster so we know not to renew next year) to be able to savor for next year. I would think no one on this board would have a problem with this regardless if was successful or not since you do have a free pass this year. Are you even watching the games this year? They have tried what you've suggested many times and the results have been disastrous, and that was before injuries to guys like Ratliff and Camper who were a few of the only guys who were effective in the press. As to the free pass, that is meaningless to the coach. For every coaching job he applies to the rest of his career the potential employer is going to look at his taking over an 8-24 team and how he did that first year. If you win less than the guy that got fired it is already a strike against you. If you win more than the guy before you despite losing a ton of talent it is a big selling point. So no, the coach should not play a reckless style and lose more games this year just cause one fan is bored.
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Post by musicman on Jan 17, 2019 16:37:53 GMT -5
There was an article where JC says he doesn’t have the horses to execute his Mayhem style this year? I missed it. If he admits, what we all already see/know, then we all can agree that the Mayhem style is on the shelf until next year when reinforcements get here. What’s so hard about that?? I think there are three components to the Mayhem concept, the first is the mentality of hard work and positivity. The second is shooting a lot of 3 pointers. The third is a high energy, press you full court defense that is going to force a lot of turnovers. Two of the components are on display this year, the third will hopefully show up next year when there are more athletes on the court. We do still desperately need that rim protector to ever fully implement the system. +10 Makes sense to me.
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 17, 2019 17:04:23 GMT -5
There is a lot to be excited about. The coach, Jalen Pickett, the talent coming in the next year, oh did I mention Jalen Pickett. 😝 He’s going to be a special kid. I have a feeling Coach Christian recruits are good kids, not head cases like we had under the prior regime. All I want is .500 this year and a chance in the Maac Tourny. I was happy to see that coach has a little fire in him, but very controlled. He seems like the real deal.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 17, 2019 17:38:19 GMT -5
It's obvious we cant play at any high speed level with the kids we have. IF Baker, Wojick, Penn, Shivers, Bentley, etc.....stayed, maybe we could emphasize pressing and running. Right now we cant. We have a few good pieces sitting out/signed, but def need more. The shotblocker is a necessity and I dont see us recruiting one currently, so thats concerning. JC is doing what he can. I think we'll be fine in a year or two.
Best shotblocker in the league is in the house tonight. Evan needs to headfake a little tonight and get Robb in foul trouble.
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