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Post by greenblood on Nov 22, 2018 9:25:09 GMT -5
Seymour is fine? He avgs 24 min a game and 0.5 rebounds, 0.3 assists....at 6'9" We all love the deep 3's, but unless he's 45-50% from there, he's a liability on the floor. Huerter continues to play the most off the bench, and i have no reason why. The genius dipshit can probably tell us. The Huerter thing I don’t get... he’s terrible. As for Seymour, I am okay with having a guy whose job is just to shoot, when you surround him with all-around players like a Pickett, Camper, Carey, or Burns who will rebound and switch. He has tremendous shooting gravity, which creates room for our PG’s in the PnR and creates driving lanes for our wings because you can’t help down off him. Right now he’s a work in progress, no doubt. But I have no problem giving a scholarship to a local kid with a D1 skill and hoping they develop the rest... if nothing else he can be a 8-10 mpg spot shooter on a good team. Consider that Thomas in the coaches opinions may bring an intangible element to the floor in small spurts. My only slight observation of Pickett is he often does not see wide open options from the top of the key once he starts dribbling into the paint. As a teacher you don't just give up on a kid who is going through a really tough period when their performance evaluations are as public as this. If you do you will get nothing. The show of support putting him on the floor in small spurts has higher probability of getting the kid to do whatever it takes to elevate to a higher level than burying him. Just my thought.
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Post by musicman on Nov 22, 2018 9:31:04 GMT -5
Beyer brought talent in....Patsos destroyed the program. He is simply the worst coach in Siena history and that says a lot considering we had Lanier, Beyer and Mitch. And some of us knew this was how Patsos reign would end here on Day 1. With the wheels coming off in the last 3 minutes against Lehigh I saw and heard the entire staff continue to coach, teach and encourage a team that was cohesive and giving everything they could. I saw growth from the Holy Cross game. You think these kids don't already know they are the athletic underdogs? The collective is doing what they should be doing, playing to the advantages they have, and building a culture that a fan can proudly support. Beautifully said. I was really proud of what I saw of our coaching staff. JC and company are human and will make mistakes but I am thrilled with their work ethic, class and dedication to the team.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 22, 2018 10:15:12 GMT -5
The Huerter thing I don’t get... he’s terrible. As for Seymour, I am okay with having a guy whose job is just to shoot, when you surround him with all-around players like a Pickett, Camper, Carey, or Burns who will rebound and switch. He has tremendous shooting gravity, which creates room for our PG’s in the PnR and creates driving lanes for our wings because you can’t help down off him. Right now he’s a work in progress, no doubt. But I have no problem giving a scholarship to a local kid with a D1 skill and hoping they develop the rest... if nothing else he can be a 8-10 mpg spot shooter on a good team. Huerter should never play. I would like to see Camper, Pickett and Smithen on the court at the same time. They are really the only 3 athlrtic players on the team right now, Seymour is great at what he does but we need atleast 5 makes from him a game to look past his deficiencies. WoW! Five threes a game is expecting a lot! As GS17 says above, with him on the floor, it makes the defense come out to guard him. He was being guarded a little tighter last night. I saw a couple times last night where him being there prevented doubling down and allowed some inside movement, Buy yes, he certainly has to hit at a 35-40% clip.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Nov 22, 2018 10:18:56 GMT -5
Loved yesterdays effort by both the players and the coaching staff.
They played what I felt was a much more entertaining game on both sides of the ball.
Though a loss I thought it was much closer to being what Mayhem may be. The coaches had them staying on traps followed by secondary traps on a much more consistent basis than previously done and it paid off in many instances. As a result of this they pushed the ball up the floor on a more consistent basis and took shots earlier in the shot clock more often.
Pickett and Seymour will both be 1500(+) put scorers when it's all said and done.
When they get more offensive weapons they will be that much better.
Would much rather have that loss in the way they played that game against a really good shooting Leheigh team than I would with a 52-50 ho-hum grind it out type of win.
They will only get better at how they play this style of play if they keep playing it the way they did today so that by the time they get to MAAC play and the possibility of Burns being on the roster as an eligible player they could make some real noise in the MAAC "this year".
It makes me look forward to Saturdays game.
Go Saints!
PS - Thought going into this season that Huerter would be an impact player under this system. Sorry to say this but unless his will to compete harder improves and his confidence level changes on the offensive side of the ball you have to start limiting his minutes as he is non existent on offense and not enough of a shut down type of defender to be getting as many minutes as he currently is getting.
I would try seeing about giving the more experienced older guys in Smithen and Bayer(sp?) more minutes and less minutes to Huerter and the other freshman that is just not ready if you truly want to give yourself the best opportunity to succeed with this years current roster.
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Post by james on Nov 22, 2018 10:23:56 GMT -5
Coach Christian surely knows the type of players he possesses and is coaching them to that capability;making them the best that they can be in that regard!If Siena can somehow get Elijah Burns in the fold it may contribute a handful of games in our favor.Ps,dont forget to invite him for thankgiving dinner so he can see the comradeship of the team on a festive day.Come on board Elijah Burns!GO SAINTS!!
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Post by indian82 on Nov 22, 2018 11:03:07 GMT -5
Coach Christian surely knows the type of players he possesses and is coaching them to that capability;making them the best that they can be in that regard!If Siena can somehow get Elijah Burns in the fold it may contribute a handful of games in our favor.Ps,dont forget to invite him for thankgiving dinner so he can see the comradeship of the team on a festive day.Come on board Elijah Burns!GO SAINTS!! Good post. I get a kick out of posters who talk like a HC doesn't know what he has and knows better than the coach does with regard to his players. We are 6 months in, we have to give a coach at least a year and a half to TRULY know how we will do. The thing I can say for sure is that I like this coach's attitude and how he treats his team. See the Thanksgiving dinner at his house today! With respect to the Thanksgiving dinner & Burns, we were talking last night about what level of contact any representative of the team can have him with him in his current situation. Anybody know?
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 22, 2018 11:26:17 GMT -5
a few points...
- only an idiot would want to start fouling to send the opponent for free points to the FT line with a lineup that cant get to the line themselves.
- Without a doubt Christian has done just about as well as he could given the decimation of the program
- Darwiche is not a whiff. He is a player adjusting to the American game AND his time is limited thanks to the "talent" left by the prior coaching staff. Without a doubt he would be seeing more time on the floor if A) Richard didnt go down for the year and or there were other more capable guards on the roster to pair him with. Right now the roster is relegated to a number of bench players doing nothing more than burning minutes in order to give the starters a rest. A couple of those starters should be role players on a NORMAL team. This team ... "AINT" NORMAL.
as far as how the team fits the system that Christian wants to employ?
Every single player below is pretty much one dimensional and should be but a role player AT BEST.
Fisher Degnan Heurter Seymour Camper Bayer Smithen Ratliff Friday
and the vast majority of those listed are pretty much solid D2 players. Four are definitely gone next season and as has been suggested before... perhaps a transfer or two. We will have a far better idea of things when we see these next two recruiting classes come in. When nearly all of your roster doesnt fit your system... not a whole hell of a lot you can do besides recruit recruit recruit.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Nov 22, 2018 11:28:37 GMT -5
Coach Christian surely knows the type of players he possesses and is coaching them to that capability;making them the best that they can be in that regard!If Siena can somehow get Elijah Burns in the fold it may contribute a handful of games in our favor.Ps,dont forget to invite him for thankgiving dinner so he can see the comradeship of the team on a festive day.Come on board Elijah Burns!GO SAINTS!! Good post. I get a kick out of posters who talk like a HC doesn't know what he has and knows better than the coach does with regard to his players. We are 6 months in, we have to give a coach at least a year and a half to TRULY know how we will do. The thing I can say for sure is that I like this coach's attitude and how he treats his team. See the Thanksgiving dinner at his house today! With respect to the Thanksgiving dinner & Burns, we were talking last night about what level of contact any representative of the team can have him with him in his current situation. Anybody know? If he has received his full release from Notre Dame (which I would assume he has since ND did a press release that he was leaving the program and transferring), he can be recruited like any high school or JUCO product. The staff can reach out to him, host him on unofficial or official recruiting visits, etc.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 22, 2018 11:39:01 GMT -5
I see many encouraging signs with this team for this year and beyond, but overall the talent level is not where we would like it, obviously.
In my opinion, the style of play on the floor and the dynamic on the sideline is light years ahead of where we've been since 2010. I have confidence that this staff will be more effective at making corrections and adjustments going forward.
Honestly, these last two games were decided by three point shooting disparity. If Siena shot a more typical percentage from three, the outcomes of both may have been different.
This is what we will likely live with during the JC era - live by the three, die by the three. I'm OK with that, in general. Keep recruiting shooters and athletes.
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Post by MTS on Nov 22, 2018 12:18:33 GMT -5
If we win 10-13 games this year...that's all you can realistically ask for. This is a foundation/building year. We will be a tough out at home and steal a couple on the road. Lehigh might be the best or top 3 at worst team to come into the TUC this year. We hung in for about 36 minutes.
Next year we'll Pickett, Carey as sophomores, Walker, Sutherland, Young as incoming frosh...we get Richard back and potentially Burns or another talented recruit (staff works hard). Plus Seymour and Camper. That's a legitimate 9 talented D1 players. Ratliff is perfect for your 10th man...the rest of the players provide depth.
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Post by notomo on Nov 22, 2018 12:44:07 GMT -5
p.s. can somebody wake up the cheer leaders.
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Post by sienasaints0 on Nov 23, 2018 18:41:50 GMT -5
p.s. can somebody wake up the cheer leaders. Thought it was nice to see the cheer team since it was over a break and no one else was there.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 23, 2018 22:43:52 GMT -5
a few points... - only an idiot would want to start fouling to send the opponent for free points to the FT line with a lineup that cant get to the line themselves. - Without a doubt Christian has done just about as well as he could given the decimation of the program - Darwiche is not a whiff. He is a player adjusting to the American game AND his time is limited thanks to the "talent" left by the prior coaching staff. Without a doubt he would be seeing more time on the floor if A) Richard didnt go down for the year and or there were other more capable guards on the roster to pair him with. Right now the roster is relegated to a number of bench players doing nothing more than burning minutes in order to give the starters a rest. A couple of those starters should be role players on a NORMAL team. This team ... "AINT" NORMAL. as far as how the team fits the system that Christian wants to employ? Every single player below is pretty much one dimensional and should be but a role player AT BEST. Fisher Degnan Heurter Seymour Camper Bayer Smithen Ratliff Friday and the vast majority of those listed are pretty much solid D2 players. Four are definitely gone next season and as has been suggested before... perhaps a transfer or two. We will have a far better idea of things when we see these next two recruiting classes come in. When nearly all of your roster doesnt fit your system... not a whole hell of a lot you can do besides recruit recruit recruit. If there's so little talent, and Darwiche cant get minutes now, what makes you think he'll get minutes after another recruiting class comes in?? Carey, Walker and Richard all guards, and all on the roster next year. The only recruit anyone seems to care about, thats still considering us, is Cruz, ANOTHER PG. So how is next year a better opportunity for Georges?? IF you want a winning team, that kid never hits the floor here, or our new coach had several misses.
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Post by Tony on Nov 24, 2018 5:13:38 GMT -5
While I’m not ready to write off Darwiche 5 games into his college career- I tend to agree, if Georges can’t get into rotation before end of year, little chance of him getting time next year with Pickett Carey, Walker and Richards, even if he does get into rotation this year, going to be tough next year with those 4 guards ahead of him. Fact Georges is having trouble beating out Bayer for backup PG does not bode well for him. But I’m OK with that, can’t all be stars, work on your game, and maybe by time he is junior or senior he can give us some minutes as a role player
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Post by olddave on Nov 24, 2018 9:15:06 GMT -5
While I’m not ready to write off Darwiche 5 games into his college career- I tend to agree, if Georges can’t get into rotation before end of year, little chance of him getting time next year with Pickett Carey, Walker and Richards, even if he does get into rotation this year, going to be tough next year with those 4 guards ahead of him. Fact Georges is having trouble beating out Bayer for backup PG does not bode well for him. But I’m OK with that, can’t all be stars, work on your game, and maybe by time he is junior or senior he can give us some minutes as a role player Right decision is for the kid to move on. JC, Siena should go out of their way to make sure kids gets a ship elsewhere and kid should be receptive to this. Not sure kid wants to be a bench warmer.
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