Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Mar 7, 2018 8:31:48 GMT -5
What was this year's season ticket holder count? - 4000? - (which is still not too shabby for a mid major program)
What would you say was the avg cost of a season ticket? - $300
With Patsos still onboard, what would you say will be a realistic season ticket holder count this coming year? - 3300?
If you believe these numbers are somewhat accurate, simple math can then get you what a minimum hard cost dollar amount figure it will cost the program in season ticket holder revenue alone to keep JP around.
4000-3300=700×$300 p/ticket=$210,000.
Add in walk up ticket purchases dropping another 200 per game at minimum at an avg cost of $10 p/ticket or $2000 per game x 15 home games = $30,000 at minimum this coming season in lost walk up revenue.
Add these two together and you get a realistic $240,000 hard cost minimum of what it will probably cost Siena to do nothing and keep JP around next year.
If you can agree that is an accurate conservative figure to assume we will have lost ticket revues this coming year if they do nothing and keep JP around, and you cannot as a program afford anything more than that, then that should be the figure you use or anything less to logically say we have to be able to afford to pay a new HC and get a boost of energy into this program.
A sign to show the community that you are at least trying to right the ship. That past bad decisions are not stopping you from making decisions now to help better this program moving forwsrd.
This hard cost extends beyond just Siena.
It includes the TU and Siena and local business community outside the TU and it's shared profit margin's of revenue vs. cost when it comes to lost revenue in concessions, accessories (i.e. - t-shirts, 50/50 raffle spending to help support other sports), parking, and downtown spending at hotels, restaurants, and bars, etc...(anything hard dollar spending).
It could and probably will effect future booster contributions and advertising revenue and advertising rates.
As revenue goes down, costs will go up. Profit margins and profit dollars will decrease.
By keeping JP it get's us further and further away from that much needed boost of energy to the program that takes time well beyond his departure to build back up, in both talent and trust.
A boost that will help create an atmosphere of hope that makes us feel that a new HC could lead us back to a culture of winning and success out on the court which in turn will contribute to everything that goes beyond the court in running a successful program.
Without winning and success on the court you could also be losing much, much more in soft cost spending in areas beyond the court on game nights.
Things like brand image, decreased media exposure, student applications, recruiting talent (which can and will every year effect the next 4yr cycle of success of the program as far as wins and losses out on the court go).
This is our only revenue generating sport. It's not only our cash cow. It's our only cow.
How important does that make the success of this program to a small school community like Siena? To the health of the other athletic programs?
We have tasted success on a number of occasions. We know how good that taste is. We should expect nothing less than this taste of success or something g close to it 3 out of every 4 years at our level. Being in the hunt and competing for top 3 spots should be an every year occurance.
Money talks. That's why we can't compete with the big boys of college basketball right? Money.
So why then when we have by far the most money in the MAAC when it comes to our basketball programs, we we not be competing for the top every single year and not dominating the MAAC on a more consistent basis.
It's all about creating an ongoing wining culture and having the expectations of greatness.
If money talks on one side of the coin it surely talks on the other side of the coin.
How much does it mean that we are so blessed to have such a revenue generating program such as this one when so many other schools of similar size, including many in the MAAC, have no real revenue generating sports, including with their basketball programs?
If we want to keep our only cash cow healthy for the long term, we as part of those who help pay to feed this cow, have to unite in numbers and do whatever is necessary to protect our only cow.
It has been sick long for much too long.
Enough is enough.
When it's sick like it is right now, we need to do what we have to do to get it back to being healthy again.
We need to make sure it doesn't die on us completely. It may be closer to death as we know it to being than we may realize?
If this means we have to have hard love by attrition in spending and giving less to the cow to make it healthy in the long run, then so be it.
If it's handlers refuse to do what it takes to make our only cow healthy again, we need to tell them again and again and again with emails in mass numbers using our own real names as season ticket holders and boosters and the local business community that if they refuse to make the hard decisions necessary to make this cow healthy again, we can and will no longer continue to help feed this cash cow unhealthy food.
We need to let them know that until they do make changes at the top, that they are on their own. We need to let them know that mediocrity or anything less on a long term basis is not acceptable.
And we need to do this mow, as in right now. Time is of the essence.
So I urge you as I and many of us have already done, as encouraged to do from past threads asking the same thing, to use your real names and let the administration know via emails in numbers that until change's at the top are made, you will no longer be feeding the cow.
And then you need to stand behind that email and if they do nothing, you contribute nothing.
Unfortunately, it appears it's the only way to get this program headed back in the right direction again before it's too late.
What would you say was the avg cost of a season ticket? - $300
With Patsos still onboard, what would you say will be a realistic season ticket holder count this coming year? - 3300?
If you believe these numbers are somewhat accurate, simple math can then get you what a minimum hard cost dollar amount figure it will cost the program in season ticket holder revenue alone to keep JP around.
4000-3300=700×$300 p/ticket=$210,000.
Add in walk up ticket purchases dropping another 200 per game at minimum at an avg cost of $10 p/ticket or $2000 per game x 15 home games = $30,000 at minimum this coming season in lost walk up revenue.
Add these two together and you get a realistic $240,000 hard cost minimum of what it will probably cost Siena to do nothing and keep JP around next year.
If you can agree that is an accurate conservative figure to assume we will have lost ticket revues this coming year if they do nothing and keep JP around, and you cannot as a program afford anything more than that, then that should be the figure you use or anything less to logically say we have to be able to afford to pay a new HC and get a boost of energy into this program.
A sign to show the community that you are at least trying to right the ship. That past bad decisions are not stopping you from making decisions now to help better this program moving forwsrd.
This hard cost extends beyond just Siena.
It includes the TU and Siena and local business community outside the TU and it's shared profit margin's of revenue vs. cost when it comes to lost revenue in concessions, accessories (i.e. - t-shirts, 50/50 raffle spending to help support other sports), parking, and downtown spending at hotels, restaurants, and bars, etc...(anything hard dollar spending).
It could and probably will effect future booster contributions and advertising revenue and advertising rates.
As revenue goes down, costs will go up. Profit margins and profit dollars will decrease.
By keeping JP it get's us further and further away from that much needed boost of energy to the program that takes time well beyond his departure to build back up, in both talent and trust.
A boost that will help create an atmosphere of hope that makes us feel that a new HC could lead us back to a culture of winning and success out on the court which in turn will contribute to everything that goes beyond the court in running a successful program.
Without winning and success on the court you could also be losing much, much more in soft cost spending in areas beyond the court on game nights.
Things like brand image, decreased media exposure, student applications, recruiting talent (which can and will every year effect the next 4yr cycle of success of the program as far as wins and losses out on the court go).
This is our only revenue generating sport. It's not only our cash cow. It's our only cow.
How important does that make the success of this program to a small school community like Siena? To the health of the other athletic programs?
We have tasted success on a number of occasions. We know how good that taste is. We should expect nothing less than this taste of success or something g close to it 3 out of every 4 years at our level. Being in the hunt and competing for top 3 spots should be an every year occurance.
Money talks. That's why we can't compete with the big boys of college basketball right? Money.
So why then when we have by far the most money in the MAAC when it comes to our basketball programs, we we not be competing for the top every single year and not dominating the MAAC on a more consistent basis.
It's all about creating an ongoing wining culture and having the expectations of greatness.
If money talks on one side of the coin it surely talks on the other side of the coin.
How much does it mean that we are so blessed to have such a revenue generating program such as this one when so many other schools of similar size, including many in the MAAC, have no real revenue generating sports, including with their basketball programs?
If we want to keep our only cash cow healthy for the long term, we as part of those who help pay to feed this cow, have to unite in numbers and do whatever is necessary to protect our only cow.
It has been sick long for much too long.
Enough is enough.
When it's sick like it is right now, we need to do what we have to do to get it back to being healthy again.
We need to make sure it doesn't die on us completely. It may be closer to death as we know it to being than we may realize?
If this means we have to have hard love by attrition in spending and giving less to the cow to make it healthy in the long run, then so be it.
If it's handlers refuse to do what it takes to make our only cow healthy again, we need to tell them again and again and again with emails in mass numbers using our own real names as season ticket holders and boosters and the local business community that if they refuse to make the hard decisions necessary to make this cow healthy again, we can and will no longer continue to help feed this cash cow unhealthy food.
We need to let them know that until they do make changes at the top, that they are on their own. We need to let them know that mediocrity or anything less on a long term basis is not acceptable.
And we need to do this mow, as in right now. Time is of the essence.
So I urge you as I and many of us have already done, as encouraged to do from past threads asking the same thing, to use your real names and let the administration know via emails in numbers that until change's at the top are made, you will no longer be feeding the cow.
And then you need to stand behind that email and if they do nothing, you contribute nothing.
Unfortunately, it appears it's the only way to get this program headed back in the right direction again before it's too late.
