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Post by siena77 on Feb 3, 2018 17:03:58 GMT -5
He gets fired now 2 year paid vacation. I’d say the way he’s recruited and coached he’s been on vacation from the first day he stepped on campus. Presumedly we have some savvy people at the school who have negotiating skills to sit with Jimmy and his agent and work out a deal to end this Patsos Error for everyone's sake. If we don't have negotiators within the administration, I'm sure we have them on the Board of Trustees or the boards of the Alumni Association and Saints Alive. Pay him 2/3 of what he's (foolishly) guaranteed, replace him, and let's get on with the program.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 3, 2018 17:48:56 GMT -5
Another game in which JP gets out coached and ends up on the short end of halftime adjustments resulting in another loss for the Saints. Loss of Penn in my opinion really had little impact on games except maybe the loss of his rebounding. So many interchangeable parts at similar talent level, that you get similar results no matter who plays. Offensive continues to be ugliest I have ever seen by Siena. So sick of his double standards in coaching players, yanking players, yelling at players. Some guys make one mistake, get yanked, get screamed out with him spitting in their faces and then stuck on the bench the rest of the game. Others can do no wrong. His favorites are obvious. This style of coaching is not good for a team concept. His stubbornness is killing this team and our program. It is time for JP to go. The Patsos Experiment is a total failure. Excellent post
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Post by $cott on Feb 3, 2018 17:50:29 GMT -5
I’d say the way he’s recruited and coached he’s been on vacation from the first day he stepped on campus. Presumedly we have some savvy people at the school who have negotiating skills to sit with Jimmy and his agent and work out a deal to end this Patsos Error for everyone's sake. If we don't have negotiators within the administration, I'm sure we have them on the Board of Trustees or the boards of the Alumni Association and Saints Alive. Pay him 2/3 of what he's (foolishly) guaranteed, replace him, and let's get on with the program. Why would Jimmy ever agree to take less money?
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Post by MTS on Feb 3, 2018 18:12:46 GMT -5
Presumedly we have some savvy people at the school who have negotiating skills to sit with Jimmy and his agent and work out a deal to end this Patsos Error for everyone's sake. If we don't have negotiators within the administration, I'm sure we have them on the Board of Trustees or the boards of the Alumni Association and Saints Alive. Pay him 2/3 of what he's (foolishly) guaranteed, replace him, and let's get on with the program. Why would Jimmy ever agree to take less money? Well nobody wants to get fired for one. It would pretty much kill any chance JP has to be a D1 HC ever again. His resume right now is still good enough to get an NEC/Patriot league type of job. Also coaching is a stressful job and he might look to do TV until his Siena money expires. I'm not saying he's going to get nothing but let's say (for arguments sake) Siena owes him $700K and they negotiate it down to $500K. He can refuse and dare Siena to fire him or he can take the offered/negotiated money and be on his way. Otherwise if they don't blink - he'll have to come back and face almost certain termination next year going through likely another brutal year stressful year. Plus you never know if Siena has something to terminate the contract for clause in which case he gets nothing. He might not want to take the risk. The bad news is JP's agent has already bitch-slapped Siena once so who knows if Siena is savvy enough to negotiate this thing right.
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Post by siena77 on Feb 3, 2018 18:53:57 GMT -5
Presumedly we have some savvy people at the school who have negotiating skills to sit with Jimmy and his agent and work out a deal to end this Patsos Error for everyone's sake. If we don't have negotiators within the administration, I'm sure we have them on the Board of Trustees or the boards of the Alumni Association and Saints Alive. Pay him 2/3 of what he's (foolishly) guaranteed, replace him, and let's get on with the program. Why would Jimmy ever agree to take less money? Because (1) he can't be enjoying this, (2) he could spend the next 2 years working as little or as much as he wants---yes, I know, you might say he's already doing that--and live the same lifestyle as he is currently, and (3) he can pick up another job (like in broadcasting or stand-up comedy) and be pulling in big bucks with Siena's money as his safety net. It's a no-lose situation for him to be bought out and have zero obligations to Siena.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 4, 2018 8:50:42 GMT -5
I'll make myself available for any and all interviews should those decision makers like some input from a "couch expert" who continues to nail the eventual hiring results. :-)
Perhaps a panel of sienahoops.com 'experts'. I guarantee it would be better than the current process by the paid "professionals"
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Post by sky on Feb 4, 2018 8:58:58 GMT -5
Actually there have been several discussions on this board about potential coaches that have been bandied around with each having some merit and all being better than what we have...
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 4, 2018 11:57:21 GMT -5
For potential new coaches, how about Bashir Mason at Wagner? He’s got Wagner in first place in the NEC, 104-75 all-time record there with a 66-34 record in the NEC. In now his 6th year at Wagner, he’ll have finished below 3rd only once and is on track for his second regular season title in that tenure. Only 33 years old and made under 250k in 2015 per his IRS 990 form. Knows the MAAC as he was an assistant at Marist from 2008-2010, exactly when we were a power. Siena could be a nice bumper in salary with a chance to move up to a destination job in 5 years if he makes Siena a power again.
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Post by rickyp on Feb 4, 2018 12:13:26 GMT -5
Look this is off this subject but we have a thread for this.I think one thing your really forgetting about is if JP is asked to come back to the CBS NCAA telecast.And he's probably going to use that to his advantage on recruits and administration.How else is Siena getting national publicity especially with a losing season.How many other coaches with a losing record this year are going to be asked to come on that telecast.That's if he's asked a major selling point to recruits before the signing period.If he's coming back i want him to have all the advantages he can.
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 4, 2018 12:13:59 GMT -5
For potential new coaches, how about Bashir Mason at Wagner? He’s got Wagner in first place in the NEC, 104-75 all-time record there with a 66-34 record in the NEC. In now his 6th year at Wagner, he’ll have finished below 3rd only once and is on track for his second regular season title in that tenure. Only 33 years old and made under 250k in 2015 per his IRS 990 form. Knows the MAAC as he was an assistant at Marist from 2008-2010, exactly when we were a power. Siena could be a nice bumper in salary with a chance to move up to a destination job in 5 years if he makes Siena a power again. That's actually impressive as Wagner is not an easy place to recruit. So he must be a good recruiter and coach to have sustained success there.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 4, 2018 12:14:39 GMT -5
For potential new coaches, how about Bashir Mason at Wagner? He’s got Wagner in first place in the NEC, 104-75 all-time record there with a 66-34 record in the NEC. In now his 6th year at Wagner, he’ll have finished below 3rd only once and is on track for his second regular season title in that tenure. Only 33 years old and made under 250k in 2015 per his IRS 990 form. Knows the MAAC as he was an assistant at Marist from 2008-2010, exactly when we were a power. Siena could be a nice bumper in salary with a chance to move up to a destination job in 5 years if he makes Siena a power again. Not interested 1 conference regular season title & lost in conference tournament with 1 NIT in 5 years in a very very weak conference. Reminds me of someone. Too risky he’s in the same category as Beilein at Lemoyne. I’m looking at Holloway or Steele as my top two.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 4, 2018 12:21:43 GMT -5
For potential new coaches, how about Bashir Mason at Wagner? He’s got Wagner in first place in the NEC, 104-75 all-time record there with a 66-34 record in the NEC. In now his 6th year at Wagner, he’ll have finished below 3rd only once and is on track for his second regular season title in that tenure. Only 33 years old and made under 250k in 2015 per his IRS 990 form. Knows the MAAC as he was an assistant at Marist from 2008-2010, exactly when we were a power. Siena could be a nice bumper in salary with a chance to move up to a destination job in 5 years if he makes Siena a power again. Not interested 1 conference regular season title & lost in tournament, 1 NIT in 5 years in a very weak conference. Reminds me of someone. I’m looking at Holloway or Steele as my top two. I like Holloway, Steele, Chris Caputo, etc as first time HC hires. But Mason is well on his way to his 2nd title (2 game lead) in 6 years. Fact is in NEC you can’t get an at-large to the NIT, so it’s win the regular season or bust and then win conference tournament or bust. Would your opinion change of him if he makes the NCAA Tournament this year? The guy is winning consistently in the NEC, a league where you play in glorified HS gyms and half the good players transfer every year. That’s really hard to do. He wins 66% of his NEC games (lower OOC marks because NEC teams have to play lots of buy games to balance budget). How is there more risk for a proven winner than a guy who has never coached a game as a D1 HC.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 4, 2018 12:32:53 GMT -5
Not interested 1 conference regular season title & lost in tournament, 1 NIT in 5 years in a very weak conference. Reminds me of someone. I’m looking at Holloway or Steele as my top two. I like Holloway, Steele, Chris Caputo, etc as first time HC hires. But Mason is well on his way to his 2nd title (2 game lead) in 6 years. Fact is in NEC you can’t get an at-large to the NIT, so it’s win the regular season or bust and then win conference tournament or bust. Would your opinion change of him if he makes the NCAA Tournament this year? The guy is winning consistently in the NEC, a league where you play in glorified HS gyms and half the good players transfer every year. That’s really hard to do. He wins 66% of his NEC games (lower OOC marks because NEC teams have to play lots of buy games to balance budget). How is there more risk for a proven winner than a guy who has never coached a game as a D1 HC. Caputo is interesting. I’m not interested in an NEC coach this go around. Siena’s working on 8 years of being irrelevant. We can’t afford to miss on this hire. A guy like Steele and coming from a program like Xavier which has a multi decade history of producing outstanding coaches is where we need to look. Pay him what you need to....Steele would create a buzz around the program Mason not so much! Just one fans opinion😉. I was right on Mike Rhoades and we went with program wrecker part II. Can’t tolerate a pw part III.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Feb 4, 2018 12:53:12 GMT -5
I like Holloway, Steele, Chris Caputo, etc as first time HC hires. But Mason is well on his way to his 2nd title (2 game lead) in 6 years. Fact is in NEC you can’t get an at-large to the NIT, so it’s win the regular season or bust and then win conference tournament or bust. Would your opinion change of him if he makes the NCAA Tournament this year? The guy is winning consistently in the NEC, a league where you play in glorified HS gyms and half the good players transfer every year. That’s really hard to do. He wins 66% of his NEC games (lower OOC marks because NEC teams have to play lots of buy games to balance budget). How is there more risk for a proven winner than a guy who has never coached a game as a D1 HC. Caputo is interesting. I’m not interested in an NEC coach this go around. Siena’s working on 8 years of being irrelevant. We can’t afford to miss on this hire. A guy like Steele and coming from a program like Xavier which has a multi decade history of producing outstanding coaches is where we need to look. Pay him what you need to....Steele would create a buzz around the program Mason not so much! Just one fans opinion😉. I was right on Mike Rhoades and we went with program wrecker part II. Can’t tolerate a pw part III. Right, and don’t get me wrong, Steele or Caputo is my first choice as well. But a lot can go wrong and you don’t land either guy. A guy like Mason who is young and energetic I think would still create plenty of buzz (especially if he’s coming off an NCAA bid) and while he may not have quite the upside that a Steele has, I believe he’d win 20 games a year at Siena. With the exception of one rebuilding 10-20 year he’s winning basically 65% of his games and 70% of his conference games in a league where it is tough to be a consistent winner.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 4, 2018 13:04:56 GMT -5
Caputo is interesting. I’m not interested in an NEC coach this go around. Siena’s working on 8 years of being irrelevant. We can’t afford to miss on this hire. A guy like Steele and coming from a program like Xavier which has a multi decade history of producing outstanding coaches is where we need to look. Pay him what you need to....Steele would create a buzz around the program Mason not so much! Just one fans opinion😉. I was right on Mike Rhoades and we went with program wrecker part II. Can’t tolerate a pw part III. Right, and don’t get me wrong, Steele or Caputo is my first choice as well. But a lot can go wrong and you don’t land either guy. A guy like Mason who is young and energetic I think would still create plenty of buzz (especially if he’s coming off an NCAA bid) and while he may not have quite the upside that a Steele has, I believe he’d win 20 games a year at Siena. With the exception of one rebuilding 10-20 year he’s winning basically 65% of his games and 70% of his conference games in a league where it is tough to be a consistent winner. I hear you, but that’s where I start (Holloway Steele Caputo) if I’m Siena. As far as Mason it just sounds all to familiar ... we’ve seen the ol’ look what he did at “fill in the blank” imagine what he could do with Siena’s resources plan. I do agree with you, you do need a pretty solid list just in case options 1 or 2 aren’t there...like Beilein Mason could be on a list but nowhere near the top.
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