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Post by MTS on Jan 11, 2018 6:39:45 GMT -5
There won’t be any announcement, he’s still under contract, it’ll be business as usual next year. Agreed JP will scratch out 10 to 12 wins this year and be back next year #teamtank
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Post by Papi on Jan 11, 2018 7:02:28 GMT -5
I can't disagree with the assessment of the talent as it stands right now, in large part due to youth. Prince can become a dominant player at this level if he learns how to make free throws. A Prince Oduro who makes FT's at a 66% clip would be borderline dominant already. That may be a pipe dream, however. His FT shooting is just utterly disastrous at this point. Penn is solid right now, with an occasional flash of near brilliance, but I'm not sure what his ceiling is. He looks like he could be the best 3 point shooting PG in recent history for the Saints (yes, Marquis was sharp late in his career), but his ability to create for his teammates seems limited up to this point. That may be a byproduct of Jimmyball as much as it is his own limitations. Bentley and Camper are good athletes, but no idea what they might be in the future. Horn has perhaps the most upside other than Prince. He has very good moves getting to the rim, and can definitely shoot the three. If he improves his fitness and quickness, he will only get better and would also be a better perimeter defender. He and Shivers are now the natural Alphas on the team, and will likely be counted upon to score when it comes to crunch time. For this season at least, I suspect we will see continued improvement from where we've been as the freshmen continue to gain experience, as Tom Jr. grows into his role of using his great length to defend and rebound and as Ahsante grows into his role as a leader on the team. Honestly, if Prince can sort out the FT's, this team could be one that can make some noise in the tournament. Like I said, though, probably a pipe dream. Time will tell - we could end up with 3 MAAC wins and a subsequent flame out in the PIG - I believe Jimmy will be gone in that case. If they make it to double figures in the W column (overall record), I fear that there is a good chance that a change is NOT made. I doubt the administration views Nico's departure as a stinging indictment of Patsos, perhaps not more-so than any other players' departures. I think we had a situation with the coach biting off more than he could chew with Nico, and this ultimately falls on Jimmy as another recruiting mistake. I'm not saying Nico is a bad kid, just that Jimmy and staff obviously didn't know how to properly handle/mentor him as he progressed through his time at Siena. Hopefully the administration takes a good accounting of the body of work at the end of the season, and makes an appropriate decision WRT the future of the men's hoops program. Whether Siena finishes with 7 wins or 12 wins I simply don’t think financially they can afford to bring him back. The damage done to the program would be immense. People already aren’t showing up. Next year will be ghost town with JP back. And corporate sponsorships are going to start to dry up. This is what ultimately gets a coach fired not a few extra wins and losses. Ok, we know some fans won't show, do you know for a fact that sponsors are pulling out or they won't be replaced with new ones? Let's see what happens with the rest of the season. Sponsorship and donations we're at an all time high this year, it's a two way street, if the coach leaves some sponsors and donations may go too.
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Post by sky on Jan 11, 2018 8:40:22 GMT -5
Trying to think like a businessman...how much would I invest with no return on my investment...smaller crowds means less visability...less TV coverage so less free TV for signs...having boxes at the TUC would be useless...would you bring a client or potential customer to sit in a 15000 seat arena to see nothing but empty seats and poor basketball...I think I could find a better use for my money....
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 11, 2018 8:55:18 GMT -5
Beyers last year had Freeny, Osinski, Faison, Cantamessa and Fields ... the core of Hewitt's teams. I would put my money on that team over the current one. Actually do not think it would even be close if they played each other.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 11, 2018 8:57:23 GMT -5
Agreed JP will scratch out 10 to 12 wins this year and be back next year #teamtank my god, you're an idiot.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 11, 2018 9:53:42 GMT -5
I can't disagree with the assessment of the talent as it stands right now, in large part due to youth. Prince can become a dominant player at this level if he learns how to make free throws. A Prince Oduro who makes FT's at a 66% clip would be borderline dominant already. That may be a pipe dream, however. His FT shooting is just utterly disastrous at this point. Penn is solid right now, with an occasional flash of near brilliance, but I'm not sure what his ceiling is. He looks like he could be the best 3 point shooting PG in recent history for the Saints (yes, Marquis was sharp late in his career), but his ability to create for his teammates seems limited up to this point. That may be a byproduct of Jimmyball as much as it is his own limitations. Bentley and Camper are good athletes, but no idea what they might be in the future. Horn has perhaps the most upside other than Prince. He has very good moves getting to the rim, and can definitely shoot the three. If he improves his fitness and quickness, he will only get better and would also be a better perimeter defender. He and Shivers are now the natural Alphas on the team, and will likely be counted upon to score when it comes to crunch time. For this season at least, I suspect we will see continued improvement from where we've been as the freshmen continue to gain experience, as Tom Jr. grows into his role of using his great length to defend and rebound and as Ahsante grows into his role as a leader on the team. Honestly, if Prince can sort out the FT's, this team could be one that can make some noise in the tournament. Like I said, though, probably a pipe dream. Time will tell - we could end up with 3 MAAC wins and a subsequent flame out in the PIG - I believe Jimmy will be gone in that case. If they make it to double figures in the W column (overall record), I fear that there is a good chance that a change is NOT made. I doubt the administration views Nico's departure as a stinging indictment of Patsos, perhaps not more-so than any other players' departures. I think we had a situation with the coach biting off more than he could chew with Nico, and this ultimately falls on Jimmy as another recruiting mistake. I'm not saying Nico is a bad kid, just that Jimmy and staff obviously didn't know how to properly handle/mentor him as he progressed through his time at Siena. Hopefully the administration takes a good accounting of the body of work at the end of the season, and makes an appropriate decision WRT the future of the men's hoops program. the reality of the roster as currently constructed is not enough to compete for the upper echelon of the league, in hindsight that bitter bill would have been much easier to swallow had JP not been so pedestrian last yr with his best group of players (.500 was totally unacceptable and no post season)............will these young players improve, time will tell as this season progresses............should JP get 1 more yr after this, and that would really be tied more to a financial decision of the school than perhaps anything else, does anyone really think with this same roster that they will elevate to the upper echelon of the league then? ??.......very very small chance they would, and it would probably take a monster recruiting class of talent to put them in that position.....up to this point JP has not shown the ability to attract that kind of player so he would certainly be a lame duck next yr with a noose already around his neck..............gonna be a big decision after this season for the powers to be for sure................
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Post by MTS on Jan 11, 2018 9:57:01 GMT -5
No I see the big picture.
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Post by billmurray on Jan 11, 2018 21:23:05 GMT -5
Agreed JP will scratch out 10 to 12 wins this year and be back next year #teamtank Total disrespect for the Siena players. MTS should be ashamed.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 11, 2018 21:34:01 GMT -5
Agreed JP will scratch out 10 to 12 wins this year and be back next year #teamtank Mike im no fan of Rex but I still pull for the team. Teamtank isn’t a good idea, pull for the team and let the chips fall were they may. Rex is on thin ice he’s doing a great job of sinking his own ship.
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Post by MTS on Jan 11, 2018 21:48:02 GMT -5
Total disrespect for the Siena players. MTS should be ashamed. Despite my post I was rooting the team on...once the game goes on my DNA changes. That said I want the best for the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the Siena basketball program. Do you want a program that is stuck in 12-16 win territory forever as the program continues to die a slow death? The Siena administration only acts when they have no choice sadly. If they can spin it and hold on to a bad coach they will. If you want to look at the short term that's your right. But don't tell me I should be "ashamed" - I don't tell you how to be fan.
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Post by olddave on Jan 11, 2018 21:55:57 GMT -5
Total disrespect for the Siena players. MTS should be ashamed. Despite my post I was rooting the team on...once the game goes on my DNA changes. That said I want the best for the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the Siena basketball program. Do you want a program that is stuck in 12-16 win territory forever as the program continues to die a slow death? The Siena administration only acts when they have no choice sadly. If they can spin it and hold on to a bad coach they will. If you want to look at the short term that's your right. But don't tell me I should be "ashamed" - I don't tell you how to be fan. Believe Mike is generalizing, as we all support the players, yes even Nico, who just wish him luck in his future endeavors. For those who want to bash him, don't forget he is still on scholarship, attending for the spring semester, more to the story than is stated. As for #teamtank, perhaps a little overboard, would the following be more appropriate: #resignAD, #FireJP, # removethethelogiansfrommanagement, #BOTresign. Buck stops at the top, let's not forget that.
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Post by billmurray on Jan 11, 2018 21:57:45 GMT -5
Total disrespect for the Siena players. MTS should be ashamed. Despite my post I was rooting the team on...once the game goes on my DNA changes. That said I want the best for the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the Siena basketball program. Do you want a program that is stuck in 12-16 win territory forever as the program continues to die a slow death? The Siena administration only acts when they have no choice sadly. If they can spin it and hold on to a bad coach they will. If you want to look at the short term that's your right. But don't tell me I should be "ashamed" - I don't tell you how to be fan. If you define "fan" by encouraging the team to tank the season we definitely define fan differently. I find your suggested course shameful. As you say, that is my right.
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Post by Papi on Jan 11, 2018 22:20:10 GMT -5
Despite my post I was rooting the team on...once the game goes on my DNA changes. That said I want the best for the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the Siena basketball program. Do you want a program that is stuck in 12-16 win territory forever as the program continues to die a slow death? The Siena administration only acts when they have no choice sadly. If they can spin it and hold on to a bad coach they will. If you want to look at the short term that's your right. But don't tell me I should be "ashamed" - I don't tell you how to be fan. If you define "fan" by encouraging the team to tank the season we definitely define fan differently. I find your suggested course shameful. As you say, that is my right. He should be banned from this board forever. Or jump off the Dunn Memorial.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 1:15:55 GMT -5
If you define "fan" by encouraging the team to tank the season we definitely define fan differently. I find your suggested course shameful. As you say, that is my right. He should be banned from this board forever. Or jump off the Dunn Memorial. Careful, if it happens this post will get you jail time.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 12, 2018 6:39:52 GMT -5
He should be banned from this board forever. Or jump off the Dunn Memorial. Careful, if it happens this post will get you jail time. Papi has always been a cyberbully
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