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Post by knicksaint on Jan 2, 2018 9:23:27 GMT -5
If Siena were to terminate JP based on a breach of contract, what are the chances of JP getting hired by another college/university if he were to sue Siena? I have to believe the chances would not be good. It seems to me to be more likely that the possibility of a termination for cause would provide the basis for a discussion on what JP would receive on the way out.
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Post by clickclack on Jan 2, 2018 9:55:14 GMT -5
Except none of them had 3 years left on their deal like Jimmy. Eating a $ML by Siena won't be replaced by an increase in attendance. I thought he had this year and then 2 more left...is it this year and 3 more?
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Post by clickclack on Jan 2, 2018 9:56:31 GMT -5
If Siena were to terminate JP based on a breach of contract, what are the chances of JP getting hired by another college/university if he were to sue Siena? I have to believe the chances would not be good. It seems to me to be more likely that the possibility of a termination for cause would provide the basis for a discussion on what JP would receive on the way out. As unhinged as he is, as an outside observer, I'm not sure I see conduct that would give Siena the escape they need. Sure, he's toeing the line but not sure it's enough over the line. He's going to sue the shit out of Siena if they try to stick him with a conduct termination.
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 2, 2018 10:00:56 GMT -5
Termination for conduct is BS. Nothing JP has done to date would justify termination for misconduct. Never stand up in a court of law.
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Post by olddave on Jan 2, 2018 10:07:50 GMT -5
Termination for conduct is BS. Nothing JP has done to date would justify termination for misconduct. Never stand up in a court of law. Absolutely, but with many contracts guaranteed termination is negotiated, as the party being terminated needs to leave on a non sour note will need to be able to get employment somewhere. Basically don't want to burn their bridges, must look long term.
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 2, 2018 10:15:17 GMT -5
IMO he could easily be canned based on a behavior/conduct clause... As can be seen from the situation at Louisville, where Pitino has sued the college for wrongful termination and breach of contract even after the scandals that have surfaced under his watch, personal conduct clauses are rarely enforced without litigation. It is not enough that a HC may be a jerk, on the court of off, acts requiring elements of "moral turpitude" are often required under such provisions. Many on the board may feel Patsos is abusive but even that involves an element of subjectivity. Nothing about this fits the definition of "easily" Do not disagree with you but just to clarify the actions I am speaking of go way beyond his direct interactions with players.
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Post by MTS on Jan 2, 2018 10:16:49 GMT -5
If Siena were to terminate JP based on a breach of contract, what are the chances of JP getting hired by another college/university if he were to sue Siena? I have to believe the chances would not be good. It seems to me to be more likely that the possibility of a termination for cause would provide the basis for a discussion on what JP would receive on the way out. Perhaps they negotiate an easy exit. Siena tells JP we won't fire you for cause which we might win or might not but will bring your legal bills up (and ours) but we're not going to pay the full buyout either because you do have internal issues that we can document. Get the buyout down to something reasonable and then make the change. Everyone saves face. Patsos gets a check to go away. The can term it as health/family issues/mutual parting and Siena doesn't have to pay an ridiculous amount. Patsos won't want to go to court - legal fees and if he loses he gets NOTHING. He takes his one year salary (for example) and goes away maybe does TV, maybe takes a year off and coaches again. I think this is the best scenario I can think of to get a new HC after the season. Sadly I don't know if Siena is bright enough/motivated to do this.
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Post by Tony on Jan 2, 2018 10:21:45 GMT -5
Termination for conduct is BS. Nothing JP has done to date would justify termination for misconduct. Never stand up in a court of law. How would you know that? Unless you are inside Siena admin or related to JP .. you dont
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 2, 2018 10:29:41 GMT -5
Tony, Nothing that we know about that is in the public domain. Do you know for sure about things behind the scenes that are cause for termination?
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Post by Tony on Jan 2, 2018 10:35:29 GMT -5
Tony, Nothing that we know about that is in the public domain. Do you know for sure about things behind the scenes that are cause for termination? Key phrase there "in the public domain"
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 2, 2018 10:37:44 GMT -5
So is this speculating and hoping or does anyone know for sure that JP has conducted himself in a manner that is cause for termination?
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Post by yankee on Jan 2, 2018 11:05:57 GMT -5
If Siena were to terminate JP based on a breach of contract, what are the chances of JP getting hired by another college/university if he were to sue Siena? I have to believe the chances would not be good. It seems to me to be more likely that the possibility of a termination for cause would provide the basis for a discussion on what JP would receive on the way out. so basically threats about ruining his career and life if he doesn't agree to a settlement? nice. best chance is he finds a lead assistant role on a higher level school.
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Post by siena95 on Jan 2, 2018 11:08:23 GMT -5
wow lasalle didn't. Thought they did.they should have!! Lol Marist women's team made sweet sixteen under giorgis. not germane to this men's basketball topic, but thanks....
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Post by siena95 on Jan 2, 2018 11:11:38 GMT -5
The attendance numbers are paid attendance. not walk through the turnstiles numbers. This is standard practice for all sporting events. So no phony numbers. Amazing how some on here want to try to make so much out of so little, apparently in an effort to support their position, even if it requires ignoring fact in order to do so. It's not necessarily "paid" tickets, it is tickets off the system....(so if a grade school received 100 free tickets, that counts as tickets off the system, but not money changed hands) the arena has two #'s, tickets off the system and actual tickets scanned in (or in the old days turnstyle count). The one # siena uses to show a higher attendance, the other # the arena uses to build a business plan as far as staffing etc. for events. (and I am sure negoitiating Siena's lease when the time comes)
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Post by glen on Jan 2, 2018 11:13:06 GMT -5
If this is even really a discussion then Siena's attorneys and the administration really messed up with the contract. How is poor performance (ie: wins/losses) not part of the contract? We shouldn't need a technicality to get rid of a coach who isn't winning.
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