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Post by gorvy on Feb 14, 2016 19:36:55 GMT -5
In looking at the conference rpi looks like the usual splits have emerged. Based on the margin of the ratings gap, the top 6 are clearly the cream of the crop, with the big east included with the usual power 5. Of those, the big 12, pac 12 and act have achieved separation. This group is followed by #s 7-12 led by the a10 and including other good conferences such as the Mac, Caa, mountain west, AAC and summit league. Although the Maac can beat some of these conferences in any given year, rarely does it finish in the top tier. The next group is 13-20, led by the Missouri valley in a down year for them. This group usually includes mid majors with the possibility of second bids if their ref season champion falls short in the conference tourney. The Maac just squeaks by in this group in a typical if not great year. The next group is #21-28, led by conference USA and includes the ae and patriot league. These are your low majors with legit d1 programs. The last 4 have no business being in d1 and almost always include the swac, meac, northeast and south land. This years group has a combined oocrecord of 98-394!
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Post by siena95 on Feb 15, 2016 13:33:04 GMT -5
slightly related to the thread topic, now that the season is all but over could someone with access post where the MAAC is in RPI rankings currently? Thanks We were at 19 but just lost a position, now at 20. Siena has to get out of the MAAC. realtimerpi.com/rpi_maac_Men.htmlWhy?
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2016 14:36:23 GMT -5
Conference is getting less relevant, which makes the school less relevant. The MAAC is no longer a mid pac conference. It will probably never happen but if the school went to the A10 I bet season ticket sales would jump along with general admissions IMO.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 15, 2016 14:45:07 GMT -5
Let's maybe get 2 or 3 seasons of solid winning before any of that talk happens again. Siena has been down a while itself, they have done a fine job of making themselves irrelevant, they didn't need a down MAAC to do that.
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2016 14:50:42 GMT -5
Let's maybe get 2 or 3 seasons of solid winning before any of that talk happens again. Siena has been down a while itself, they have done a fine job of making themselves irrelevant, they didn't need a down MAAC to do that. Can't disagree with that, the alternative would be to clean up the MAAC and replace schools with schools like Monmouth.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2016 15:05:55 GMT -5
Let's not anoint Monmouth until they actually do something. People were fawning all over Quinny and look where they are now with nary a basketball title of any kind to show for its entire d1 existence.
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2016 15:07:51 GMT -5
Let's not anoint Monmouth until they actually do something. People were fawning all over Quinny and look where they are now with nary a basketball title of any kind to show for its entire d1 existence. Both Quinny and Monmouth have better facilities than half the MAAC. Neither school has brought the MAAC down.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2016 15:11:55 GMT -5
Facilities don't win championships. I do agree that a few schools should leave, but they never will with the cash cows subsidizing their programs.
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Post by saintsandeagles on Feb 15, 2016 15:22:54 GMT -5
Facilities don't win championships. I do agree that a few schools should leave, but they never will with the cash cows subsidizing their programs. We don't want them to win championships though, just a few decent out of conference games
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2016 15:35:57 GMT -5
Facilities don't win championships. I do agree that a few schools should leave, but they never will with the cash cows subsidizing their programs. We don't want them to win championships though, just a few decent out of conference games . That's a fair point but here is my issue. If we are going to be a one Bid conference and split all revenues evenly, then why split the revenue among 11 teams instead of 10? The only way this makes sense is if the teams generate multiple bids or win multiple games in the ncaa. We will see what happens but I see the committee falling overthemselves trying to exclude Monmouth from the bid and not even discussing similar power 5 teams. Meanwhile some here think that rice is gone if he wins the Maac tourney. If they hire a Mitch next they'll be back to 300 in no time and we are stuck with a 20 game schedule, Albany and Arkansas pine bluff.
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Post by knicksaint on Feb 15, 2016 16:21:42 GMT -5
Gory, why doesn't the MAAC go back to eight teams and really improve the revenue sharing among those that survive the cut? That would eliminate all excuses from not playing the kind of OOC schedule most want to see.
If that were to happen, and it were my decision, St. Peter's would be the first to go: lousy facilities and no commitment to the sport. John Dunne would not have trouble finding another position. Why it probably won't happen: it's the Commissioner's alma mater.
My second choice would be Rider, unless it finally builds the new facility Raver used to talk about. It's facility is flat out dangerous for players at both ends of the court and in the area of the benches. Why it won't happen: the third candidate would be one of the WNY schools and is makes more sense to dump both than to dump only one.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2016 16:52:06 GMT -5
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2016 17:29:29 GMT -5
Siena Iona Manhattan Quinny Monmouth Fairfield Saint Bonaventure Duquesne La salle Luv it, get it done Gorvy.
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Post by MTS on Feb 15, 2016 17:32:24 GMT -5
I'd like to see the MAAC add Hofstra and have two 6 team divisions.
You play teams in your division twice (10 games) and teams in the other division once (6 games) there you have 16 conference games total which would allow for 13-15 non-league games.
Realistically nobody is going to be forced to leave - only if someone finds another home (which I guess is possible) is the number going to be reduced. But it's time for the league to get off 11 teams and 20 league games.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2016 18:00:53 GMT -5
I like reducing conference games but 12 teams just reduces the chances of making the ncaas even further. It's fun to look at these scenarios even though nothing is going to happen. Just look at Albany, they have the perfect situation in a 9 team conference. All they have to beat is stony brook, Vermont and one other team that happens to be good that year. They will be in the ncaas at least one out of every three or four years. The only issue, and it is not a small one, is that the conference is so bad that they struggle to do better than a 14 seed unless they run the table.
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