Where's Imoh?

[hoopsforever]

I know that question has been asked over and over on the board with some guesses as to the answer. Why don't some of the reporters ask it? Why hasn't Jimmy addressed it in any of the numerous Saints basketball shows on the radio or TV? Why is this a big secret?

Imoh - 2012-2013.... 505 minutes.......16.8 minutes per game average...... 90 rebounds..... 31 blocks....108 points

Imoh - 2013-2014......640 minutes.......16.8 minutes per game average...... 179 rebounds.....63 blocks....146 points

Imoh - 2015-2016...... 88 minutes........4.6 minutes per game average...... 20 rebounds.....9 blocks......11 points

I have talked to some people who have worked with Imoh in summer camp, and they say he is a GREAT kid with a GREAT attitude. Great kids with great attitudes don't spend senior seasons the way Imoh has. To his credit, he has not quit the team, he has not complained (to my knowledge) in any way. PLEASE, someone, give Siena fans an answer. As a fan, I root for Siena, and I know things are going well, but I also root for individual kids, and Imoh is someone I have always rooted for. Any help would be most appreciated.

[Deleted]

I can understand your frustration but I don't think Jimmy would ever answer the question no matter who asked it, nor would I want him to in a public forum. The reality, as I see it certainly ties to performance on the practice floor and, since practices are not generally open, have no vision as to how much actual time Imoh gets in that setting during 5 on 5 scrimmages. I would guess Willem gets more time considering he is being developed for time next year. Perhaps S22 or Knicksaint has a better view of the practice floor and Imoh's participation. I know Imoh is a great kid and I can't see him complaining about his time or lack of it and, given Jimmy's personality, this may not be seen as a positive by our head coach.

[brian]

I would think it is pretty obvious why he isn't playing, we have more talent on the roster than in previous seasons.

We currently have 2 of the best bigs in the MAAC playing 80% of the available minutes at the 4/5 and dominating.

Conversely, in '12-13 we had Anosike play major minutes and Silas was competing with a true freshman Bisping and Davis Martens who wasn't very good and in '13-14 we had Bisping play major minutes and Silas was competing with true freshmen in Ogunyemi and Wolfe.

In total there are only about 12-15 minutes available to backups at the 4-5 in a game. Some are going to Fisher and sometime we are electing to go with a smaller lineup.

[IndianSaint]

Feb 12, 2016 9:08:01 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

I can understand your frustration but I don't think Jimmy would ever answer the question no matter who asked it, nor would I want him to in a public forum. The reality, as I see it certainly ties to performance on the practice floor and, since practices are not generally open, have no vision as to how much actual time Imoh gets in that setting during 5 on 5 scrimmages. I would guess Willem gets more time considering he is being developed for time next year. Perhaps S22 or Knicksaint has a better view of the practice floor and Imoh's participation. I know Imoh is a great kid and I can't see him complaining about his time or lack of it and, given Jimmy's personality, this may not be seen as a positive by our head coach.

I agree, Jimmy probably wouldn't answer 100% truthfully. I'm not sure any coach ever uses full disclosure (it's the nature of the business). Even what coaches do say is probably only partial info (or even flat out coach speak).

[IndianSaint]

Feb 12, 2016 9:32:44 GMT -5 brian said:

I would think it is pretty obvious why he isn't playing, we have more talent on the roster than in previous seasons.

We currently have 2 of the best bigs in the MAAC playing 80% of the available minutes at the 4/5 and dominating.

Conversely, in '12-13 we had Anosike play major minutes and Silas was competing with a true freshman Bisping and Davis Martens who wasn't very good and in '13-14 we had Bisping play major minutes and Silas was competing with true freshmen in Ogunyemi and Wolfe.

In total there are only about 12-15 minutes available to backups at the 4-5 in a game. Some are going to Fisher and sometime we are electing to go with a smaller lineup.

I can buy into Jimmy wanting to develops the younger guys versus maybe a Sr that may not be as good as the current players (only my opinion not based on facts). Maybe the new rules affected (or effected, I suck at grammar/correct word use rules) Imoh and he couldn't adapt in a short time (fouling), maybe he's not 100%, who knows).

I expect to see Imoh play during the maac tourney when we get to Sun & Mon.

[Quackman]

Um, this isn't rec ball. The coaches will play the players that they think will give them the best chance to win the game.

I've always liked Imoh on the court, he does some things very well. But, I always don't spend much of my time thinking about what the 11th guy on the roster can bring to the table. If he was a better option, he would have earned the minutes in practice.

And, regarding Fisher, he is getting better and has played some productive minutes in the latter half of the season. I can see why he has earned the PT.

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Feb 12, 2016 10:05:42 GMT -5 Quackman said:

Um, this isn't rec ball. The coaches will play the players that they think will give them the best chance to win the game.

I've always liked Imoh on the court, he does some things very well. But, I always don't spend much of my time thinking about what the 11th guy on the roster can bring to the table. If he was a better option, he would have earned the minutes in practice.

And, regarding Fisher, he is getting better and has played some productive minutes in the latter half of the season. I can see why he has earned the PT.

Fisher vs. Silas is a tradeoff. JP has opted for offense and less turnovers vs. defense.

Imoh has 12 TOs in 88 mins
Fisher has 4 TOs in 218 mins.

As much as I love Imoh's ability to affect a game defensively and as much as I wanted that 200 blocks this year, I don't fault Jimmy for this one. Silas' screens and other issues would have only compounded an already bad turnover situation.

[Sienafan]

Silas has always been a serviceable player, but this season he's just been awful. And that's why he's been benched. Did he regress? I don't think so. I suspect he's never been the same since he blew out his knee. Even if he's not actually experiencing any discomfort, it might be in his head. I can totally see being afraid to re-injure it. I've seen this happen before after a player suffers a catastrophic injury. It's what brought down Art Smith in my era at Siena.

[Deleted]

We all know it’s a coaches call on who plays and when. We all know Imoh's ability and there are games that maybe he should have played more. But another question is "why would any coach, during a game that you are either way ahead or way behind, play all players except one Imoh". This is totally unacceptable. Last night game everyone played, except Imoh, the fans behind the bench and across from the bench were yelling "Imoh" "Imoh.....how do you think he feels..... And don't give me he doesn't practice, these are games that everyone should play. And Jimmy has done this many times.

[Quackman]

Again, this isn't rec ball. Not everyone gets to play even in the blowouts. I have no idea what has happened with Imoh but will root for him as hard as I can when he is called upon again.

But you are just reaching for things to complain about if your biggest issue after a 22 point win is that the 11th guy on the bench did not get in the game.

[gorvy]

I don't understand why he doesn't get in for a few minutes on defense situations in the first half when our bigs get in ft.

[Deleted]

For the record, Imoh's block rate is about the same this year as it was in JP1 when he blocked 63 shots.

He's got 9 blocks in 88 mins...that's 102 blocks per 1,000 minutes...and his rebound rate isn't bad either.

He's still doing the things he has always done...rebounding and blocking shots.

There has to be reasons for some of JP's end of bench shenanigans. He keeps fiddling with their time.

I agree though. Silas is a senior and if you're not going to play him over Fisher. At least play him under Fisher...rather than not at all.

He is still the best shot blocker in this league in my opinion.

[SaintMisbehavin]

Feb 12, 2016 10:24:01 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Feb 12, 2016 10:05:42 GMT -5 Quackman said:

Um, this isn't rec ball. The coaches will play the players that they think will give them the best chance to win the game.

I've always liked Imoh on the court, he does some things very well. But, I always don't spend much of my time thinking about what the 11th guy on the roster can bring to the table. If he was a better option, he would have earned the minutes in practice.

And, regarding Fisher, he is getting better and has played some productive minutes in the latter half of the season. I can see why he has earned the PT.

Fisher vs. Silas is a tradeoff. JP has opted for offense and less turnovers vs. defense.

Imoh has 12 TOs in 88 mins
Fisher has 4 TOs in 218 mins.

As much as I love Imoh's ability to affect a game defensively and as much as I wanted that 200 blocks this year, I don't fault Jimmy for this one. Silas' screens and other issues would have only compounded an already bad turnover situation.

I think the one gripe folks have had early on with Fisher is he's a little foul prone, but currently he's totaling .23 fouls per minute - Imoh however has .26 FPM in limited time.

I know it's romantic to think of Imoh as a rim protector, but it comes at a crazy high foul rate.

Imoh's had a really bad string of luck over the course of his Siena career - the year of ineligibility, the coaching change, the injury - that's an awful lot to endure for a kid, especially one who by all accounts is a really good dude who showed some flashes throughout his career.

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2016 11:22:43 GMT -5 SaintMisbehavin said:

Feb 12, 2016 10:24:01 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Fisher vs. Silas is a tradeoff. JP has opted for offense and less turnovers vs. defense.

Imoh has 12 TOs in 88 mins
Fisher has 4 TOs in 218 mins.

As much as I love Imoh's ability to affect a game defensively and as much as I wanted that 200 blocks this year, I don't fault Jimmy for this one. Silas' screens and other issues would have only compounded an already bad turnover situation.

I think the one gripe folks have had early on with Fisher is he's a little foul prone, but currently he's totaling .23 fouls per minute - Imoh however has .26 FPM in limited time.

I know it's romantic to think of Imoh as a rim protector, but it comes at a crazy high foul rate.

Imoh's had a really bad string of luck over the course of his Siena career - the year of ineligibility, the coaching change, the injury - that's an awful lot to endure for a kid, especially one who by all accounts is a really good dude who showed some flashes throughout his career.

Imoh fouls on shot blocking attempts and offensive screens. Though a bit better lately, Fisher fouls as soon as the ball gets near him due to always being out of position or outmatched. They are not comparable defensively...just as they are not comparable offensively.

Fisher also went thru a long stretch where he'd come and put up all zero's except for fouls. No boards, no points, no steals, no blocks, not assists.....nothing. That's one of the worst things you can do.
He's been better on the boards and offensively in the 2nd half of the season and that's the difference. He's not putting up all zero's anymore.

[hoopsforever]

I understand the comments and appreciate the answers given, and all points of view on this one, but here is the bottom line for me: I will be there on Senior Night and I will STAND and CHEER for both Ryan and Imoh because they both wear the Siena uniform and I appreciate what each has done for the program, whether in practice or in games and on and off the court. Go Saints!