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Post by MTS on Feb 3, 2016 15:32:32 GMT -5
Are the SPU and Iona games not important? One thing that we can probably all agree on is that Jimmy is unconventional in his approach to coaching.......if we define "unconventional" as being different from what most other people would do. Doesn't mean he's more right or more wrong than anybody else, just different. So you can fret, groan, complain, second guess, criticize all you want, but Jimmy is going to put whoever he wants on the floor any time he wants, in whatever combinations he wants. And hopefully we can all accept the fact that there is a reason for every substitution made. I've been to a number of practices recently. From what I've seen, and in my opinion, Cam is a much improved player, and better than many on this board think. He seems to have good basketball instincts, knows where he's supposed to be on offense and defense, knocks down a lot of shots in scrimmages and shooting drills, and maybe most importantly to Jimmy, he plays hard. I think Jimmy has gained confidence in Cam, and as we have seen, is not reluctant to use him in game situations. I think Cam has to develop a level of confidence in himself once he's on the floor, and the more chances he gets, the more comfortable he'll be and, hopefully, more productive. No need to cringe when he heads for the scorer's table. Cam will do all right. Hoopjunkie mentioned recently that he's heard that Willem is "killing it in practice". That's pretty much what I've seen, though "killing it" may be a bit of an exaggeration, but only because, as a red shirt, Willem doesn't get a lot of reps. Willem, though, may be the most athletic guy on the team. For his size (and I don't mean that as a negative qualifier......just that he is a big man who has very good basketball skills), he does lot of things really well. He is a physical specimen who is aggressive and not afraid to rebound, play hard, physical defense, while still having three-point range. He is going to be fun to watch for the next three years. What I don't understand why Cam is reluctant to shoot the ball even when open. He just seems to want to pass it back the minute someone passes the ball to him. Good ball movement in fine but when you're open (which he has been several times) you've got to shoot the ball. He's a coaches' son and I'm sure he's a decent shooter when he's set. If he's not going to look for his shot at all then his minutes should all go to Kinnon LaRose. Kinnon is not afraid to shoot and mix it up on defense. I also think using Imoh a little more (depending on the opponent) could help. Monmouth was a tough match-up for Evan Fisher. Imoh did well when Jimmy put him in there. I wish he had gone to Imoh a little earlier. Imoh is athletic and can block shots as a fifth year senior. I think we can use a little more of him.
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Post by sky on Feb 3, 2016 15:41:48 GMT -5
Maybe Imoh will be our secret weapon in the tournament. No one will be planning for him to be in the game ....then WAM...at game time they have to change their game plan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 16:02:37 GMT -5
Are the SPU and Iona games not important? One thing that we can probably all agree on is that Jimmy is unconventional in his approach to coaching.......if we define "unconventional" as being different from what most other people would do. Doesn't mean he's more right or more wrong than anybody else, just different. So you can fret, groan, complain, second guess, criticize all you want, but Jimmy is going to put whoever he wants on the floor any time he wants, in whatever combinations he wants. And hopefully we can all accept the fact that there is a reason for every substitution made. I've been to a number of practices recently. From what I've seen, and in my opinion, Cam is a much improved player, and better than many on this board think. He seems to have good basketball instincts, knows where he's supposed to be on offense and defense, knocks down a lot of shots in scrimmages and shooting drills, and maybe most importantly to Jimmy, he plays hard. I think Jimmy has gained confidence in Cam, and as we have seen, is not reluctant to use him in game situations. I think Cam has to develop a level of confidence in himself once he's on the floor, and the more chances he gets, the more comfortable he'll be and, hopefully, more productive. No need to cringe when he heads for the scorer's table. Cam will do all right. Hoopjunkie mentioned recently that he's heard that Willem is "killing it in practice". That's pretty much what I've seen, though "killing it" may be a bit of an exaggeration, but only because, as a red shirt, Willem doesn't get a lot of reps. Willem, though, may be the most athletic guy on the team. For his size (and I don't mean that as a negative qualifier......just that he is a big man who has very good basketball skills), he does lot of things really well. He is a physical specimen who is aggressive and not afraid to rebound, play hard, physical defense, while still having three-point range. He is going to be fun to watch for the next three years. I'd like to see some more reporting like this in the future... Thanks! There's so much most of us don't get to see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 16:08:19 GMT -5
Maybe Imoh will be our secret weapon in the tournament. No one will be planning for him to be in the game ....then WAM...at game time they have to change their game plan. Yeah.. Lets see how those bastards try and defend an illegal screen! Take that Monmouth!
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Post by Tony on Feb 3, 2016 16:25:28 GMT -5
One thing that we can probably all agree on is that Jimmy is unconventional in his approach to coaching.......if we define "unconventional" as being different from what most other people would do. Doesn't mean he's more right or more wrong than anybody else, just different. So you can fret, groan, complain, second guess, criticize all you want, but Jimmy is going to put whoever he wants on the floor any time he wants, in whatever combinations he wants. And hopefully we can all accept the fact that there is a reason for every substitution made. I've been to a number of practices recently. From what I've seen, and in my opinion, Cam is a much improved player, and better than many on this board think. He seems to have good basketball instincts, knows where he's supposed to be on offense and defense, knocks down a lot of shots in scrimmages and shooting drills, and maybe most importantly to Jimmy, he plays hard. I think Jimmy has gained confidence in Cam, and as we have seen, is not reluctant to use him in game situations. I think Cam has to develop a level of confidence in himself once he's on the floor, and the more chances he gets, the more comfortable he'll be and, hopefully, more productive. No need to cringe when he heads for the scorer's table. Cam will do all right. Hoopjunkie mentioned recently that he's heard that Willem is "killing it in practice". That's pretty much what I've seen, though "killing it" may be a bit of an exaggeration, but only because, as a red shirt, Willem doesn't get a lot of reps. Willem, though, may be the most athletic guy on the team. For his size (and I don't mean that as a negative qualifier......just that he is a big man who has very good basketball skills), he does lot of things really well. He is a physical specimen who is aggressive and not afraid to rebound, play hard, physical defense, while still having three-point range. He is going to be fun to watch for the next three years. It is always good to hear from someone who has a "look behind the curtain". Thanks 22 Good post 22—only thing I’ll add, doing it in practice is one thing, doing it in a game is another. The kid has not looked good on the floor, he is almost afraid out there. On defense, average speed D1 players blow right by him. Monmouth wasn’t even guarding him.. People out here take it as an insult when I say D2 kid, well plenty of D2 kids can really play- they hustle , have good instincts can shoot etc… what makes them D2 is their physical limitations ( usually height- or speed) There is a reason why Cam was seen by just about every D1 program in the country and had no offers besides Jimmy. I cant think of one of Siena’s MAAC champion teams that had a player like Cam in the playing group. I should add I’m not the only one thinking this as evidenced by call in show after game- in my section the whole crowd cringes when Cam goes into game- I believe he is playing hard and hustles in practice but sorry that doesn’t make you a Division 1 player. I’ll wait till I see it in a game, so far this year every game he’s come in he looks like a scared D2 player- don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings- Team wont win MAAC championships with a player like Cam in playing group. That’s what I see.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 3, 2016 16:51:22 GMT -5
It is always good to hear from someone who has a "look behind the curtain". Thanks 22 Good post 22—only thing I’ll add, doing it in practice is one thing, doing it in a game is another. The kid has not looked good on the floor, he is almost afraid out there. On defense, average speed D1 players blow right by him. Monmouth wasn’t even guarding him.. People out here take it as an insult when I saw D2 kid, well plenty of D2 kids can really play- they hustle , have good instincts can shoot etc… what makes them D2 is their physical limitations ( usually height- or speed) Sorry there is a reason why Cam was seen by just about every D1 program in the country and had no offers besides Jimmy. Sorry I cant think of one of Siena’s MAAC champion teams that had a player like Cam in the playing group. I should add I’m not the only one thinking this as evidenced by call in show after game- in my section the whole crowd cringes when Cam goes into game- I believe he is playing hard and hustles in practice but sorry that doesn’t make you a Division 1 player. I’ll wait till I see it in a game, so far this year every game he’s come in he looks like a scared D2 player- don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings- but that’s what I see Spot on. Very true. Practice is one thing going full tilt in a game against top MAAC teams is completely different and another story. One only needs to look on the floor at the level of athlete Monmouth or Iona puts on the court to realize Cam and a couple others are not up to the same level. If we want to lock up the MAAC we need to up our recruiting. There was a huge difference between what Monmouth brought off the bench vs us ( with the exception of Nico) we were outclassed. Sorry Cam maybe a great kid and do all the right things in practice but he's D2. We need to continue to up our recruiting ... a wing for sure - maybe Barnes and another athletic big - maybe Holt. It's been a fun year so far ... This team has exceeded my expectations. One game at time.....
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Post by billmurray on Feb 3, 2016 17:54:40 GMT -5
It is always good to hear from someone who has a "look behind the curtain". Thanks 22 Good post 22—only thing I’ll add, doing it in practice is one thing, doing it in a game is another. The kid has not looked good on the floor, he is almost afraid out there. On defense, average speed D1 players blow right by him. Monmouth wasn’t even guarding him.. People out here take it as an insult when I say D2 kid, well plenty of D2 kids can really play- they hustle , have good instincts can shoot etc… what makes them D2 is their physical limitations ( usually height- or speed) There is a reason why Cam was seen by just about every D1 program in the country and had no offers besides Jimmy. I cant think of one of Siena’s MAAC champion teams that had a player like Cam in the playing group. I should add I’m not the only one thinking this as evidenced by call in show after game- in my section the whole crowd cringes when Cam goes into game- I believe he is playing hard and hustles in practice but sorry that doesn’t make you a Division 1 player. I’ll wait till I see it in a game, so far this year every game he’s come in he looks like a scared D2 player- don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings- Team wont win MAAC championships with a player like Cam in playing group. That’s what I see. You might not want to be putting yourself in the company of some of the call in show guys. ;-) I agree more recruiting is needed to deepen the bench, but Cam playing 1-3 minutes a game over the other options on the bench this year is not a significant issue in my book. If we recruit well and nothing changes I might come to your position.
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Post by Tony on Feb 3, 2016 18:22:35 GMT -5
Imho that 3 to 5 min a game should be going to Kinnon- a legitimate D1 player, who can shoot- a obvious weakness on this team. Kinnon has nose for ball, is aggressive going after loose balls and has a high basketball IQ- instead of getting 6.5 min…Kinnon should be getting 10 min a game,( while Wright is out) Kinnon is not only a better player now he has a much higher upside than Cam – as for Cam getting that 3 to 5 min, tell me it doesn’t matter the first game we lose by a bucket or 2
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 3, 2016 18:28:14 GMT -5
Imho that 3 to 5 min a game should be going to Kinnon- a legitimate D1 player, who can shoot- a obvious weakness on this team. Kinnon has nose for ball, is aggressive going after loose balls and has a high basketball IQ- instead of getting 6.5 min…Kinnon should be getting 10 min a game,( while Wright is out) Kinnon is not only a better player now he has a much higher upside than Cam – as for Cam getting that 3 to 5 min, tell me it doesn’t matter the first game we lose by a bucket or 2 Bingo! And again, not a slight to the young man as a person. He simply would be better served from a basketball perspective at a LOW level DI or a good DII program. As far as I know and I've followed the program for about 40 years Siena's goal is to be a program competing at a higher level than a player like Cam can truly compete night in and night out.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 3, 2016 18:37:56 GMT -5
While I don't disagree on potential, this year Gottfried and LaRose have very similar stats. LaRose plays about 6.5 minutes a game and Gottfried plays about half that and has half the stats. Neither would be considered a defensive stopper at this point. This year neither is a difference maker. We agree the bench needs more depth going forward. Lets agree to disagree on this minor issue.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 3, 2016 18:53:28 GMT -5
Cam is that kid that wins the "stations" award at Five-Star camp. He knows exactly where, and when, to go to a spot on the floor. He treats the ball like a hot potato. Never in his hands for more than a second. He'll set a screen if need be etc....BUT he won't help us win games in March. Kinnon will, and that's why I've been saying for weeks, he needs to get ALL of Cam's minutes. Jimmy needs to stop worrying about pleasing everyone, and build up Kinnons confidence so those big 3's he takes the next few weeks won't be life/death with Cam possibly coming in to replace him. JP has to let Kinnon know it's HIS minutes.
Imoh, if he wants to, can help this team. It's up to him. His inside athleticism, on the defensive end, is something we sorely lack right now. He can protect the rim, and make teams think twice about just putting their head down and forcing it down our throats. If I was an opposing coach, I'd do the same thing and try my best to get JO in foul trouble. Evan is a big drop off if he has to play a lot of minutes, and we get real small with BB at the 5, and LL at the 4 as the other option. WB's RS was based on Imoh getting 12-15 min a night this year. With no real time for the 4th big. With Imohs less than enthusiastic approach in practice, JP doesn't play him. A heart-to-heart may be needed for the stretch run. He can help!
WB is the guy that looks great in a pick-up game with no coaches, but struggles in a controlled setting. He needs to learn the sets, defensive principles etc....I think he's doing that and like 22 said, if judged solely by athleticism, he's our # 1 guy. This year off should pay big dividends for the next 3 years. Imoh getting motivated will lesson the doubts about WB's RS. He needs to step up like a senior should. Walk in JP's office and tell him you want more minutes. Convince him you want it.
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Post by MTS on Feb 3, 2016 19:03:50 GMT -5
Since Marquis has been out - Kinnon is 8/15 from three. Cam has scored exactly 9 points (5 points in garbage time at Monmouth and two lay-ins). Kinnon is also not as susceptible to get beat on defense. I agree with most here I'm sure Cam is a good guy and a hard worker but all of his minutes should be going to Kinnon.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 3, 2016 19:12:31 GMT -5
Cam is that kid that wins the "stations" award at Five-Star camp. He knows exactly where, and when, to go to a spot on the floor. He treats the ball like a hot potato. Never in his hands for more than a second. He'll set a screen if need be etc....BUT he won't help us win games in March. Kinnon will, and that's why I've been saying he needs to get ALL of Cam's minutes. Jimmy needs to stop worrying about pleasing everyone, and build up kinnons confidence so those big 3's he takes the next few weeks won't be life/death with Cam possibly coming in. JP has to let Kinnon it's HIS minutes. Imoh, if he wants to, can help this team. It's up to him. His inside athleticism, on the defensive end, is something we sorely lack right now. He can protect the rim, and make teams think twice about just putting their head down and forcing it down our throats. If I was an opposing coach, I'd do the same thing and try my best to get JO in foul trouble. Evan is a big drop off if he has to play a lot of minutes, and we get real small with BB at the 5, and LL at the 4 as the other option. WB's RS was based on Imoh getting 12-15 min a night this year. With no real time for the 4th big. With Imohs less than enthusiastic approach in practice, JP doesn't play him. A heart-to-heart may be needed for the stretch run. He can help! WB is the guy that looks great in a pick-up game with no coaches, but struggles in a controlled setting. He needs to learn the sets, defensive principles etc....I think he's doing that and like 22 said, if judged solely by athleticism, he's our # 1 guy. This year off should pay big dividends for the next 3 years. Imoh getting motivated will lesson the doubts about WB's RS. He needs to step up like a senior should. Walk in JP's office and tell him you want more minutes. Convince him you want it. I know we butt heads occasionally but I have to agree with your analysis. It's spot on. LaRose is tough, can score (I wish he would look to pull the trigger more) and plays smart. I've been pleasantly surprised by him. On the Silas issue I wish JP would press Silas's buttons a bit if that's the issue. Challenge him. Has JP called him out, sat down and talked. JPs a motivator I have to believe he can get through to Silas. There is no way with his ability to protect the paint that he should be rotting on the bench. Who knows if he alters a few shots gets a couple blocks vs Monmouth we might have had a different outcome.
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Post by diamonddog on Feb 3, 2016 20:23:23 GMT -5
Since Marquis has been out - Kinnon is 8/15 from three. Cam has scored exactly 9 points (5 points in garbage time at Monmouth and two lay-ins). Kinnon is also not as susceptible to get beat on defense. I agree with most here I'm sure Cam is a good guy and a hard worker but all of his minutes should be going to Kinnon. Fact...Since January 15th, LaRose has hit at least one three pointer in five out of the last seven games. I'm waiting for him to put on a show. Dude's going to be killer either later in this year or next year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 20:25:58 GMT -5
There is no way with his ability to protect the paint that he should be rotting on the bench. Who knows if he alters a few shots gets a couple blocks vs Monmouth we might have had a different outcome. He actually did get a couple minutes vs. Monmouth and had 2 blocks. 2 blocks in 2 mins.
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