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Post by siena95 on Feb 2, 2016 15:16:05 GMT -5
The biggest problem i see when we sub (it's necessary so has to be done) is we get net zero's offensively from pretty much the whole bench minus Nico.... Larose may help if he shot more or actually had a play called for him, but any time Fisher comes in, we are now down an offensive player and when you are playing with Wormley who rarely shoots, Long who seems reluctant to take over, the team becomes very lopsided scoring wise.... add in when Cam comes in and any cameo Imoh makes.... i love some of the posts (because i say the same thing!) but it's "i'd sit him, or I'd bench him"... not like we have many options waiting to come in and if you give Larose extended minutes against a speed team like Monmouth, results would be about the same as we saw w/ anyone else out there. Fisher beat up a Marist team that has no talent inside, that game showed what he could possibly do down the road, but last night was more of what he has really been all year (5 fouls and a breather for JO) And for Wright, if he even makes it back, it won't be the wright we saw drop 20 on St. Bonnie. Yes, he will certainly help, even if at 80% giving jimmy some semblance of depth, but he won't be able to play 35 minutes and won't be as quick. They better be absolutely sure as that is a pain in the ass injury that could bleed into next season if he reinjures it. I get that Siena lost last night, but they put up 87 against a good defensive team. Could more offensive firepower be needed off the bench, sure, but 90+% of the time if Siena scores 87 they win going away. This team played their heart out and Gottfried got 3 minutes and that was the difference? I think many are overthinking this loss. Last night Monmouth was the better team. Period. Let's move on. I agree... my post was more "overall"... siena has played great, but they very thin in the ranks is all.
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Post by james on Feb 2, 2016 16:23:43 GMT -5
Going to the game last night I did not believe Siena had any chance of winning;and boy I was pleasantly surprised.Siena's tenacity(as it has been all year) was what kept them in the game but it was also evident Siena also needs a few more players to come in with athletic teams like Monmouth; who were very good with thier movement and passing ability.I also am happy with the way Siena has been progressing this season.GO SAINTS!!
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Post by Tony on Feb 2, 2016 16:27:36 GMT -5
The biggest problem i see when we sub (it's necessary so has to be done) is we get net zero's offensively from pretty much the whole bench minus Nico.... Larose may help if he shot more or actually had a play called for him, but any time Fisher comes in, we are now down an offensive player and when you are playing with Wormley who rarely shoots, Long who seems reluctant to take over, the team becomes very lopsided scoring wise.... add in when Cam comes in and any cameo Imoh makes.... i love some of the posts (because i say the same thing!) but it's "i'd sit him, or I'd bench him"... not like we have many options waiting to come in and if you give Larose extended minutes against a speed team like Monmouth, results would be about the same as we saw w/ anyone else out there. Fisher beat up a Marist team that has no talent inside, that game showed what he could possibly do down the road, but last night was more of what he has really been all year (5 fouls and a breather for JO) And for Wright, if he even makes it back, it won't be the wright we saw drop 20 on St. Bonnie. Yes, he will certainly help, even if at 80% giving jimmy some semblance of depth, but he won't be able to play 35 minutes and won't be as quick. They better be absolutely sure as that is a pain in the ass injury that could bleed into next season if he reinjures it. I get that Siena lost last night, but they put up 87 against a good defensive team. Could more offensive firepower be needed off the bench, sure, but 90+% of the time if Siena scores 87 they win going away. This team played their heart out and Gottfried got 3 minutes and that was the difference? I think many are overthinking this loss. Last night Monmouth was the better team. Period. Let's move on. Yeah Siena put up 87 and gave up 93... we have a few players that played significant minutes last night, that struggled at that level- was 3 min here or 11 min there the difference- we will never know. Monmouth is more talented than us, even with a healthy Wright ( although the gap narrows considerably) Point is Jimmy better keep recruiting, we have some help on way next year- need more. When Jimmy goes to bench- other than Nico the drop off is huge
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 2, 2016 16:41:00 GMT -5
The biggest problem i see when we sub (it's necessary so has to be done) is we get net zero's offensively from pretty much the whole bench minus Nico.... Larose may help if he shot more or actually had a play called for him, but any time Fisher comes in, we are now down an offensive player and when you are playing with Wormley who rarely shoots, Long who seems reluctant to take over, the team becomes very lopsided scoring wise.... add in when Cam comes in and any cameo Imoh makes.... i love some of the posts (because i say the same thing!) but it's "i'd sit him, or I'd bench him"... not like we have many options waiting to come in and if you give Larose extended minutes against a speed team like Monmouth, results would be about the same as we saw w/ anyone else out there. Fisher beat up a Marist team that has no talent inside, that game showed what he could possibly do down the road, but last night was more of what he has really been all year (5 fouls and a breather for JO) And for Wright, if he even makes it back, it won't be the wright we saw drop 20 on St. Bonnie. Yes, he will certainly help, even if at 80% giving jimmy some semblance of depth, but he won't be able to play 35 minutes and won't be as quick. They better be absolutely sure as that is a pain in the ass injury that could bleed into next season if he reinjures it. I get that Siena lost last night, but they put up 87 against a good defensive team. Could more offensive firepower be needed off the bench, sure, but 90+% of the time if Siena scores 87 they win going away. This team played their heart out and Gottfried got 3 minutes and that was the difference? I think many are overthinking this loss. Last night Monmouth was the better team. Period. Let's move on. Bill he's right to a certain extent. Did Cam cost us the game, of course not BUT you can't play Evan Cam and Wormley in the same rotation (which we did last night). You can't have only 2 scorers on the floor against Monmouth for any length of time. Couple that with Oliver's poor shooting, Lavons lackadaisical performance and youre in trouble. Our margin for error was way too slim last night.
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Post by siena95 on Feb 2, 2016 16:44:24 GMT -5
I get that Siena lost last night, but they put up 87 against a good defensive team. Could more offensive firepower be needed off the bench, sure, but 90+% of the time if Siena scores 87 they win going away. This team played their heart out and Gottfried got 3 minutes and that was the difference? I think many are overthinking this loss. Last night Monmouth was the better team. Period. Let's move on. Bill he's right to a certain extent. Did Cam cost us the game, of course not BUT you can't play Evan Cam and Wormley in the same rotation (which we did last night). You can't have only 2 scorers on the floor against Monmouth for any length of time. Couple that with Oliver's poor shooting, Lavons lackadaisical performance and youre in trouble. Our margin for error was too slim last night. sometimes managers due that as an FU to the GM (playing an odd line-up)but in this case, Jimmy is the GM, so.... lol
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Post by Tony on Feb 2, 2016 16:59:35 GMT -5
It comes down to we don’t have a strong bench to begin with, but remember it was supposed to be Oliver, Nico and Imoh off bench—Wright gets hurt—and Jimmy decides its Nico, Cam and Fisher, Bottom line Jimmy better stay on road recruiting – we need more talent if we expect to get by Monmouth.
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Post by knicksaint on Feb 2, 2016 17:53:48 GMT -5
Looked at the Monmouth roster after the game last night. The only important piece the Hawks lose is Deon Jones, who played a bigger role in the loss at Monmouth than he did last night. They have a 6'8 freshman from Roselle Catholic, but he has only played 43 minutes all season. It appears that they only have one ship to give for next year and have signed a 6'11, 245 lb. center. Sounds like they will have 20 fouls at the 5. IMHO, the addition of Smithen, WB, Richard and Huerter (and whoever else) and the loss of Oliver and Silas adds more on a net basis to our team for 2016-17 than the addition of a fourth center and the loss of Jones will mean to Monmouth.
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Post by diamonddog on Feb 2, 2016 18:59:21 GMT -5
Looked at the Monmouth roster after the game last night. The only important piece the Hawks lose is Deon Jones, who played a bigger role in the loss at Monmouth than he did last night. They have a 6'8 freshman from Roselle Catholic, but he has only played 43 minutes all season. It appears that they only have one ship to give for next year and have signed a 6'11, 245 lb. center. Sounds like they will have 20 fouls at the 5. IMHO, the addition of Smithen, WB, Richard and Huerter (and whoever else) and the loss of Oliver and Silas adds more on a net basis to our team for 2016-17 than the addition of a fourth center and the loss of Jones will mean to Monmouth. No doubt about it...Jones is a major loss to them. At least we held him in relative check last night.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 2, 2016 19:00:28 GMT -5
Robinson had a career night, it's not like he drops 40 every game. I thought the saints did as good as they could in the second half despite being handcuffed by unnecessary foul trouble. The defensive intensity in the first half needed to be better, but it was hampered in part by the aforementioned foul trouble.
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Post by Tony on Feb 2, 2016 19:30:55 GMT -5
Looked at the Monmouth roster after the game last night. The only important piece the Hawks lose is Deon Jones, who played a bigger role in the loss at Monmouth than he did last night. They have a 6'8 freshman from Roselle Catholic, but he has only played 43 minutes all season. It appears that they only have one ship to give for next year and have signed a 6'11, 245 lb. center. Sounds like they will have 20 fouls at the 5. IMHO, the addition of Smithen, WB, Richard and Huerter (and whoever else) and the loss of Oliver and Silas adds more on a net basis to our team for 2016-17 than the addition of a fourth center and the loss of Jones will mean to Monmouth. No doubt about it...Jones is a major loss to them. At least we held him in relative check last night. Jimmy made a good move and put JO on Jones last night, a few weeks ago Brett guarded him. JO did a good job keeping Jones in check
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 2, 2016 20:52:01 GMT -5
I loved how we competed and basically stayed with them even w/o Marquis. Yes, could have had fewer silly TOs but we're learning and getting better. While I'd prefer to finish 2nd or 3rd in order to get Monmouth Monday night (assuming we both make it) I'm not too worried if we finish 4-5 and play them in the quarter finals. The key is the more games each team play the lower their 3pt shooting most likely will be. I like our 2 pt game better with out scoring bigs. Plus Marquis might be back for a few more mins by then. There are a couple reasons why we would want to meet Monmouth in the finals. Each Siena win will hopefully bring more fans to the next Siena game. 10,000 at the Monday night final would be a great advantage for our Saints. Plus, when Siena plays on the Monday night, the MAAC attendance numbers will be HUGH! Solidifying why the MAAC belongs in Albany. (I know, if we played Thursday, the MAAC numbers would be even bigger) If you believe that the 3PFG lowers with each passing game, then you would want to be a 2nd or 3rd seed. You would meet Monmouth in the third game, not the second game, if you were a 4 or 5 seed. The odds are a little better playing three games as a #2 or #3 seed to make it to the final game. I believe we are both saying, the next time we play Monmouth, the Saints come Marching home with a WIN……………..Go Saints I agree, I'd rather play themMonday night if I had a choice but if it comes down to us playing them the day before (I guess I meant semi's and not quarters where both teams have already played one game and we meet the second game) that's not so bad since they rely on the three more than we do. Their legs should be tired so their 3s percentage should go down (obviously more on Monday night). Unfortunately if the maac keeps that day off in between it's not much of a help for a team that can play three days straight (like a Siena that does't rely on the 3).
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2016 20:54:34 GMT -5
I get that Siena lost last night, but they put up 87 against a good defensive team. Could more offensive firepower be needed off the bench, sure, but 90+% of the time if Siena scores 87 they win going away. This team played their heart out and Gottfried got 3 minutes and that was the difference? I think many are overthinking this loss. Last night Monmouth was the better team. Period. Let's move on. Bill he's right to a certain extent. Did Cam cost us the game, of course not BUT you can't play Evan Cam and Wormley in the same rotation (which we did last night). You can't have only 2 scorers on the floor against Monmouth for any length of time. Couple that with Oliver's poor shooting, Lavons lackadaisical performance and youre in trouble. Our margin for error was way too slim last night. I think we all agree this Siena team is not a "pat hand" and I have said it before, as have many here, recruiting never ends and it is always a priority. That said you have to play with the players you have and use the guys that demonstrate on the practice floor that they deserve their minutes. I don't see practice so I have to leave it to the coaching staff, whose job it is to make that assessment, to go with what they see. Now if others here attend practice on a regular basis and see something different and clearly see that the staff's assessment as erroneous based on their first hand observation I can't argue.
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Post by Papi on Feb 2, 2016 21:16:26 GMT -5
I'd take Wormley off the court. He was out matched badly tonight. He has been adequate vs the bottom half of the maac. Must win on Friday, can't get swept by another team with 2 games remaining with Iona. Troll Are the SPU and Iona games not important?
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Post by saints22 on Feb 3, 2016 15:22:29 GMT -5
Are the SPU and Iona games not important? One thing that we can probably all agree on is that Jimmy is unconventional in his approach to coaching.......if we define "unconventional" as being different from what most other people would do. Doesn't mean he's more right or more wrong than anybody else, just different. So you can fret, groan, complain, second guess, criticize all you want, but Jimmy is going to put whoever he wants on the floor any time he wants, in whatever combinations he wants. And hopefully we can all accept the fact that there is a reason for every substitution made. I've been to a number of practices recently. From what I've seen, and in my opinion, Cam is a much improved player, and better than many on this board think. He seems to have good basketball instincts, knows where he's supposed to be on offense and defense, knocks down a lot of shots in scrimmages and shooting drills, and maybe most importantly to Jimmy, he plays hard. I think Jimmy has gained confidence in Cam, and as we have seen, is not reluctant to use him in game situations. I think Cam has to develop a level of confidence in himself once he's on the floor, and the more chances he gets, the more comfortable he'll be and, hopefully, more productive. No need to cringe when he heads for the scorer's table. Cam will do all right. Hoopjunkie mentioned recently that he's heard that Willem is "killing it in practice". That's pretty much what I've seen, though "killing it" may be a bit of an exaggeration, but only because, as a red shirt, Willem doesn't get a lot of reps. Willem, though, may be the most athletic guy on the team. For his size (and I don't mean that as a negative qualifier......just that he is a big man who has very good basketball skills), he does lot of things really well. He is a physical specimen who is aggressive and not afraid to rebound, play hard, physical defense, while still having three-point range. He is going to be fun to watch for the next three years.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 3, 2016 15:28:15 GMT -5
Are the SPU and Iona games not important? One thing that we can probably all agree on is that Jimmy is unconventional in his approach to coaching.......if we define "unconventional" as being different from what most other people would do. Doesn't mean he's more right or more wrong than anybody else, just different. So you can fret, groan, complain, second guess, criticize all you want, but Jimmy is going to put whoever he wants on the floor any time he wants, in whatever combinations he wants. And hopefully we can all accept the fact that there is a reason for every substitution made. I've been to a number of practices recently. From what I've seen, and in my opinion, Cam is a much improved player, and better than many on this board think. He seems to have good basketball instincts, knows where he's supposed to be on offense and defense, knocks down a lot of shots in scrimmages and shooting drills, and maybe most importantly to Jimmy, he plays hard. I think Jimmy has gained confidence in Cam, and as we have seen, is not reluctant to use him in game situations. I think Cam has to develop a level of confidence in himself once he's on the floor, and the more chances he gets, the more comfortable he'll be and, hopefully, more productive. No need to cringe when he heads for the scorer's table. Cam will do all right. Hoopjunkie mentioned recently that he's heard that Willem is "killing it in practice". That's pretty much what I've seen, though "killing it" may be a bit of an exaggeration, but only because, as a red shirt, Willem doesn't get a lot of reps. Willem, though, may be the most athletic guy on the team. For his size (and I don't mean that as a negative qualifier......just that he is a big man who has very good basketball skills), he does lot of things really well. He is a physical specimen who is aggressive and not afraid to rebound, play hard, physical defense, while still having three-point range. He is going to be fun to watch for the next three years. It is always good to hear from someone who has a "look behind the curtain". Thanks 22
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