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Post by Sienafan on Sept 16, 2015 11:59:00 GMT -5
It's not hard to see Jimmy is just talking smack re: only playing 8. He's never had a playing rotation that small. The dude goes to his bench early and often. It' snot hard to figure out the playing rotation either. Smithen is obviously out of it - and JO most likely is too. I don't see the NCAA handing out waivers anymore. Gottfried is a glorified walk-on who just happens to have a scholarship, so no mystery there. That leaves 12. Of that group, Paige and LaRose are the most likely bench warmers in my view. LaRose is likely not ready for this level given his past level of competition, and Paige is a tweener who is too slow/not enough of a shooter to be a wing, and too small to play up front given that all of Siena front court depth has been restored. Though even they will get spot minutes in certain situations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 12:07:29 GMT -5
It's not hard to see Jimmy is just talking smack re: only playing 8. He's never had a playing rotation that small. The dude goes to his bench early and often. It' snot hard to figure out the playing rotation either. Smithen is obviously out of it - and JO most likely is too. I don't see the NCAA handing out waivers anymore. Gottfried is a glorified walk-on who just happens to have a scholarship, so no mystery there. That leaves 12. Of that group, Paige and LaRose are the most likely bench warmers in my view. LaRose is likely not ready for this level given his past level of competition, and Paige is a tweener who is too slow/not enough of a shooter to be a wing, and too small to play up front given that all of Siena front court depth has been restored. Though even they will get spot minutes in certain situations. 14-3 would be 11. Pffft lawyers.
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Post by $cott on Sept 16, 2015 12:24:17 GMT -5
It's not hard to see Jimmy is just talking smack re: only playing 8. He's never had a playing rotation that small. The dude goes to his bench early and often. It' snot hard to figure out the playing rotation either. Smithen is obviously out of it - and JO most likely is too. I don't see the NCAA handing out waivers anymore. Gottfried is a glorified walk-on who just happens to have a scholarship, so no mystery there. That leaves 12. Of that group, Paige and LaRose are the most likely bench warmers in my view. LaRose is likely not ready for this level given his past level of competition, and Paige is a tweener who is too slow/not enough of a shooter to be a wing, and too small to play up front given that all of Siena front court depth has been restored. Though even they will get spot minutes in certain situations. Here is the minutes by the 9th man per game: 10 - Fri, Nov 14 - Massachusetts 95-87 5 - Mon, Nov 17 - Vermont 84-76 8 - Wed, Nov 19 - St Bonaventure 73-70 6 - Sat, Nov 29 - Loyola (MD) 81-71 3 - Mon, Dec 1 - Fordham 69-67 7 - Fri, Dec 5 - Quinnipiac 88-67 9 - Sun, Dec 7 - Rider 80-68 11 - Sat, Dec 13 - Albany 77-68 0 - Fri, Dec 19 - Radford 76-66 0 - Tue, Dec 23 - Cornell 75-57 0 - Sun, Dec 28 - Bucknell 73-71 7 - Fri, Jan 2 - Fairfield 68-67 5 - Sun, Jan 4 - Iona 86-72 5 - Thu, Jan 8 - Niagara 79-69 2 - Sun, Jan 11 - Fairfield 79-67 9 - Fri, Jan 16 - Canisius 83-49 0 - Sun, Jan 18 - Niagara 74-70 4 - Fri, Jan 23 - Marist 69-60 3 - Sun, Jan 25 - Saint Peter's 69-55 0 - Fri, Jan 30 - Manhattan 87-79 3 - Mon, Feb 2 - Rider 79-72 0 - Fri, Feb 6 - Iona 87-83 0 - Mon, Feb 9 - Saint Peter's 65-57 3 - Thu, Feb 12 - Marist 66-64 7 - Sat, Feb 14 - Monmouth 83-64 4 - Thu, Feb 19 - Canisius 69-63 OT 6 - Sat, Feb 21 - Manhattan 80-74 11 - Fri, Feb 27 - Quinnipiac 73-63 4 - Sun, Mar 1 - Monmouth 63-57 7 - Thu, Mar 5 - Niagara* 71-54 4 - Sat, Mar 7 - Iona* 74-71 So through the Albany game the 9th man was averaging 7.4 minutes per game. After that the 9th man averaged 3.7 minutes per game and that even includes Mike Wilson getting 9 minutes in the Canisius blowout. So I don't think it is unreasonable to think that by second semester Jimmy is in an 8 man rotation. Who those 8 are may change but it is rare that he gives 9 players significant time in one game. I was actually surprised by the number of games where the minutes by the 8th man were quite low.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 16, 2015 12:42:28 GMT -5
It's not hard to see Jimmy is just talking smack re: only playing 8. He's never had a playing rotation that small. The dude goes to his bench early and often. It' snot hard to figure out the playing rotation either. Smithen is obviously out of it - and JO most likely is too. I don't see the NCAA handing out waivers anymore. Gottfried is a glorified walk-on who just happens to have a scholarship, so no mystery there. That leaves 12. Of that group, Paige and LaRose are the most likely bench warmers in my view. LaRose is likely not ready for this level given his past level of competition, and Paige is a tweener who is too slow/not enough of a shooter to be a wing, and too small to play up front given that all of Siena front court depth has been restored. Though even they will get spot minutes in certain situations. 14-3 would be 11. Pffft lawyers. What are you talking about? I mentioned Gottfried, Smithen, Paige and LaRose. 14-4=10. Figure Paige or LaRose slips back into the rotation if JO is also out. Read the entire document carefully my friend. Lawyers indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 12:45:22 GMT -5
14-3 would be 11. Pffft lawyers. What are you talking about? I mentioned Gottfried, Smithen, Paige and LaRose. 14-4=10. Figure Paige or LaRose slips back into the rotation if JO is also out. Read the entire document carefully my friend. Lawyers indeed. I did but admittedly I was giggling after the word "snot" so perhaps I blacked out for a bit.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 16, 2015 12:50:34 GMT -5
It's not hard to see Jimmy is just talking smack re: only playing 8. He's never had a playing rotation that small. The dude goes to his bench early and often. It' snot hard to figure out the playing rotation either. Smithen is obviously out of it - and JO most likely is too. I don't see the NCAA handing out waivers anymore. Gottfried is a glorified walk-on who just happens to have a scholarship, so no mystery there. That leaves 12. Of that group, Paige and LaRose are the most likely bench warmers in my view. LaRose is likely not ready for this level given his past level of competition, and Paige is a tweener who is too slow/not enough of a shooter to be a wing, and too small to play up front given that all of Siena front court depth has been restored. Though even they will get spot minutes in certain situations. Here is the minutes by the 9th man per game: 10 - Fri, Nov 14 - Massachusetts 95-87 5 - Mon, Nov 17 - Vermont 84-76 8 - Wed, Nov 19 - St Bonaventure 73-70 6 - Sat, Nov 29 - Loyola (MD) 81-71 3 - Mon, Dec 1 - Fordham 69-67 7 - Fri, Dec 5 - Quinnipiac 88-67 9 - Sun, Dec 7 - Rider 80-68 11 - Sat, Dec 13 - Albany 77-68 0 - Fri, Dec 19 - Radford 76-66 0 - Tue, Dec 23 - Cornell 75-57 0 - Sun, Dec 28 - Bucknell 73-71 7 - Fri, Jan 2 - Fairfield 68-67 5 - Sun, Jan 4 - Iona 86-72 5 - Thu, Jan 8 - Niagara 79-69 2 - Sun, Jan 11 - Fairfield 79-67 9 - Fri, Jan 16 - Canisius 83-49 0 - Sun, Jan 18 - Niagara 74-70 4 - Fri, Jan 23 - Marist 69-60 3 - Sun, Jan 25 - Saint Peter's 69-55 0 - Fri, Jan 30 - Manhattan 87-79 3 - Mon, Feb 2 - Rider 79-72 0 - Fri, Feb 6 - Iona 87-83 0 - Mon, Feb 9 - Saint Peter's 65-57 3 - Thu, Feb 12 - Marist 66-64 7 - Sat, Feb 14 - Monmouth 83-64 4 - Thu, Feb 19 - Canisius 69-63 OT 6 - Sat, Feb 21 - Manhattan 80-74 11 - Fri, Feb 27 - Quinnipiac 73-63 4 - Sun, Mar 1 - Monmouth 63-57 7 - Thu, Mar 5 - Niagara* 71-54 4 - Sat, Mar 7 - Iona* 74-71 So through the Albany game the 9th man was averaging 7.4 minutes per game. After that the 9th man averaged 3.7 minutes per game and that even includes Mike Wilson getting 9 minutes in the Canisius blowout. So I don't think it is unreasonable to think that by second semester Jimmy is in an 8 man rotation. Who those 8 are may change but it is rare that he gives 9 players significant time in one game. I was actually surprised by the number of games where the minutes by the 8th man were quite low. That is an apples to oranges comparison. Last season due to injuries and transfers, there was a short bench. By the time you got to the 9th man you're at the end of the bench playing someone who otherwise would rarely see the court. That's why you saw the steep drop-off in minutes played by the 9th man as the season went on and the team lost people. The rotation had to be shortened due to the lack of healthy good players. This season with a full bench the 9th guy off the bench is comparatively a much more solid contributor.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 16, 2015 12:55:08 GMT -5
What are you talking about? I mentioned Gottfried, Smithen, Paige and LaRose. 14-4=10. Figure Paige or LaRose slips back into the rotation if JO is also out. Read the entire document carefully my friend. Lawyers indeed. I did but admittedly I was giggling after the word "snot" so perhaps I blacked out for a bit. Ah, so the inadvertent mention of bodily fluids and functions throws you off your game. As a result you caught the typo, but missed the fart that my math was correct. Good to know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 13:01:52 GMT -5
I did but admittedly I was giggling after the word "snot" so perhaps I blacked out for a bit. Ah, so the inadvertent mention of bodily fluids and functions throws you off your game. As a result you caught the typo, but missed the fart that my math was correct. Good to know. It read as if you were counting out JO. I was just busting balls.
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Post by $cott on Sept 16, 2015 13:04:31 GMT -5
Here is the minutes by the 9th man per game: 10 - Fri, Nov 14 - Massachusetts 95-87 5 - Mon, Nov 17 - Vermont 84-76 8 - Wed, Nov 19 - St Bonaventure 73-70 6 - Sat, Nov 29 - Loyola (MD) 81-71 3 - Mon, Dec 1 - Fordham 69-67 7 - Fri, Dec 5 - Quinnipiac 88-67 9 - Sun, Dec 7 - Rider 80-68 11 - Sat, Dec 13 - Albany 77-68 0 - Fri, Dec 19 - Radford 76-66 0 - Tue, Dec 23 - Cornell 75-57 0 - Sun, Dec 28 - Bucknell 73-71 7 - Fri, Jan 2 - Fairfield 68-67 5 - Sun, Jan 4 - Iona 86-72 5 - Thu, Jan 8 - Niagara 79-69 2 - Sun, Jan 11 - Fairfield 79-67 9 - Fri, Jan 16 - Canisius 83-49 0 - Sun, Jan 18 - Niagara 74-70 4 - Fri, Jan 23 - Marist 69-60 3 - Sun, Jan 25 - Saint Peter's 69-55 0 - Fri, Jan 30 - Manhattan 87-79 3 - Mon, Feb 2 - Rider 79-72 0 - Fri, Feb 6 - Iona 87-83 0 - Mon, Feb 9 - Saint Peter's 65-57 3 - Thu, Feb 12 - Marist 66-64 7 - Sat, Feb 14 - Monmouth 83-64 4 - Thu, Feb 19 - Canisius 69-63 OT 6 - Sat, Feb 21 - Manhattan 80-74 11 - Fri, Feb 27 - Quinnipiac 73-63 4 - Sun, Mar 1 - Monmouth 63-57 7 - Thu, Mar 5 - Niagara* 71-54 4 - Sat, Mar 7 - Iona* 74-71 So through the Albany game the 9th man was averaging 7.4 minutes per game. After that the 9th man averaged 3.7 minutes per game and that even includes Mike Wilson getting 9 minutes in the Canisius blowout. So I don't think it is unreasonable to think that by second semester Jimmy is in an 8 man rotation. Who those 8 are may change but it is rare that he gives 9 players significant time in one game. I was actually surprised by the number of games where the minutes by the 8th man were quite low. That is an apples to oranges comparison. Last season due to injuries and transfers, there was a short bench. By the time you got to the 9th man you're at the end of the bench playing someone who otherwise would rarely see the court. That's why you saw the steep drop-off in minutes played by the 9th man as the season went on and the team lost people. The rotation had to be shortened due to the lack of healthy good players. This season with a full bench the 9th guy off the bench is comparatively a much more solid contributor. This season there will be injuries and transfers just like every other year. By midseason I don't think an 8 man rotation is too farfetched.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 13:19:56 GMT -5
That is an apples to oranges comparison. Last season due to injuries and transfers, there was a short bench. By the time you got to the 9th man you're at the end of the bench playing someone who otherwise would rarely see the court. That's why you saw the steep drop-off in minutes played by the 9th man as the season went on and the team lost people. The rotation had to be shortened due to the lack of healthy good players. This season with a full bench the 9th guy off the bench is comparatively a much more solid contributor. This season there will be injuries and transfers just like every other year. By midseason I don't think an 8 man rotation is too farfetched. Yeah, I suppose if 6 of the 14 get injured or leave....then yes...we'll have an 8 man rotation.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 16, 2015 14:31:45 GMT -5
Ah, so the inadvertent mention of bodily fluids and functions throws you off your game. As a result you caught the typo, but missed the fart that my math was correct. Good to know. It read as if you were counting out JO. I was just busting balls. Nah, I don't count JO officially out yet, as the waiver is still out there. So there's a ray of hope, but it's not looking good. What is the grounds for his appeal...a hardship waiver? Those no longer exist. Below is my predicted playing rotation. Assuming JO plays, the only dude in this group not a lock to play regularly is Fisher: -Wright -Clareth -Long -Bisping -JO -Silas -Oliver -Wormley -Fisher -Brandwijk Of the three freshman in this group, one is a surefire starter and the other is the sole backup at the 1. They're locks to play. Everyone else is an experienced veteran and proven contributor. They're also locks barring injury. Thus, assuming they don't get hit with the injury bug again, the only way this team has just an 8 man rotation is if JO has to sit and Fisher is not ready for prime time.
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Post by musicman on Sept 16, 2015 20:53:07 GMT -5
Here is the minutes by the 9th man per game: 10 - Fri, Nov 14 - Massachusetts 95-87 5 - Mon, Nov 17 - Vermont 84-76 8 - Wed, Nov 19 - St Bonaventure 73-70 6 - Sat, Nov 29 - Loyola (MD) 81-71 3 - Mon, Dec 1 - Fordham 69-67 7 - Fri, Dec 5 - Quinnipiac 88-67 9 - Sun, Dec 7 - Rider 80-68 11 - Sat, Dec 13 - Albany 77-68 0 - Fri, Dec 19 - Radford 76-66 0 - Tue, Dec 23 - Cornell 75-57 0 - Sun, Dec 28 - Bucknell 73-71 7 - Fri, Jan 2 - Fairfield 68-67 5 - Sun, Jan 4 - Iona 86-72 5 - Thu, Jan 8 - Niagara 79-69 2 - Sun, Jan 11 - Fairfield 79-67 9 - Fri, Jan 16 - Canisius 83-49 0 - Sun, Jan 18 - Niagara 74-70 4 - Fri, Jan 23 - Marist 69-60 3 - Sun, Jan 25 - Saint Peter's 69-55 0 - Fri, Jan 30 - Manhattan 87-79 3 - Mon, Feb 2 - Rider 79-72 0 - Fri, Feb 6 - Iona 87-83 0 - Mon, Feb 9 - Saint Peter's 65-57 3 - Thu, Feb 12 - Marist 66-64 7 - Sat, Feb 14 - Monmouth 83-64 4 - Thu, Feb 19 - Canisius 69-63 OT 6 - Sat, Feb 21 - Manhattan 80-74 11 - Fri, Feb 27 - Quinnipiac 73-63 4 - Sun, Mar 1 - Monmouth 63-57 7 - Thu, Mar 5 - Niagara* 71-54 4 - Sat, Mar 7 - Iona* 74-71 So through the Albany game the 9th man was averaging 7.4 minutes per game. After that the 9th man averaged 3.7 minutes per game and that even includes Mike Wilson getting 9 minutes in the Canisius blowout. So I don't think it is unreasonable to think that by second semester Jimmy is in an 8 man rotation. Who those 8 are may change but it is rare that he gives 9 players significant time in one game. I was actually surprised by the number of games where the minutes by the 8th man were quite low. That is an apples to oranges comparison. Last season due to injuries and transfers, there was a short bench. By the time you got to the 9th man you're at the end of the bench playing someone who otherwise would rarely see the court. That's why you saw the steep drop-off in minutes played by the 9th man as the season went on and the team lost people. The rotation had to be shortened due to the lack of healthy good players. This season with a full bench the 9th guy off the bench is comparatively a much more solid contributor. Exactly Sienafan. This year's bench is going to be much different so our starters "shouldn't" be gassed at the end of games. Well stated!!
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Post by musicman on Sept 16, 2015 20:58:14 GMT -5
That is an apples to oranges comparison. Last season due to injuries and transfers, there was a short bench. By the time you got to the 9th man you're at the end of the bench playing someone who otherwise would rarely see the court. That's why you saw the steep drop-off in minutes played by the 9th man as the season went on and the team lost people. The rotation had to be shortened due to the lack of healthy good players. This season with a full bench the 9th guy off the bench is comparatively a much more solid contributor. This season there will be injuries and transfers just like every other year. By midseason I don't think an 8 man rotation is too farfetched. coming a little out of left field with this. Why even go there.
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Post by Quackman on Sept 17, 2015 11:52:51 GMT -5
Yet another thread showing why this board is virtually unreadable. It's September, let it play out. There's a funny thing that happens with college aged kids, they tend to improve their game and get stronger over the summer. Rossiter averaged 1.9 points and 2.9 rebounds as a freshman behind Josh Duell. Brandwijk averaged 2.5 and 2.6 playing a similar amount of minutes. I am not saying that WB is Rossiter good but to be down on a player based only on his freshman productivity is foolish. That development from freshman to sophomore year among bigs is exactly why it is a big problem if a sophomore Brandwijk can't beat out a freshman Fisher. Who said Fisher had beat out WB? It's september and they've haven't even started full practices yet.
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Post by $cott on Sept 17, 2015 12:11:40 GMT -5
That development from freshman to sophomore year among bigs is exactly why it is a big problem if a sophomore Brandwijk can't beat out a freshman Fisher. Who said Fisher had beat out WB? It's september and they've haven't even started full practices yet. MTS has Fisher in the rotation and Bradwijk out of it. If that is the case then I don't seen Brandwijk sticking around.
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