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Post by CellarRat on Sept 22, 2015 23:49:32 GMT -5
Lol. So your answer is yes to Obama and yes to Bernie. Very good say no more.
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Post by psycholojets on Sept 23, 2015 0:07:28 GMT -5
I never said yes to Bernie, not sure I ever would. You seem to have such a narrow view of political issues. I am very glad we can both agree to agree on the Saints since we clearly would agree to disagree on public policy.
As an aside I am rooting for Trump all the way. LET'S stay focused on birthers Bengazi and building walls to protect our borders. These ARE the real issues that concern young mother's and fathers. All that Crap about education and equal opportunity they just don't resonate with the REALvoters like quick clever vapid quips about disadvantaged minorities and the people who have been breaking their butts for the last six years to return this country to the prominence and prestige that it still richly deserves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 6:25:38 GMT -5
I too hope the Republicans keep Trump in the public eye and reward his out of the box thinking with the nomination! Even a cursory look at his immigration "policies" will show that he will also create jobs, thousands and thousands of them. He will also give a shot in the arm to the manufacturing sector that will see American products staying in the US. He has also shrewdly laid out a plan that will all but guarantee him a second term should he be elected! Consider: Keystone element of Trump's platform - "Immediate" deportation of roughly 11,000,000 undocumented aliens. Assume processing of 50,000 per week once started. That will require 600 railcars each carrying 84 passengers making an average 2-3 day trip from all areas of our great country. Since empty cars will need to be returned for the next use, also a 2-3 day trip, an additional 600 cars would be needed. Throwing in an additional 250 cars or more to cover maintenance would necessitate at least 1500 rail cars and 30 or more new locomotives. Those needs will create a lot of manufacturing jobs. I can't even begin to estimate the number of Immigration Peace Officers needed to round up, process, hold and load 50,000 people each week. There would be a need for regional collection "centers" where the undocumented travelers would be held pending loading onto the trains. Those centers would create construction jobs and staffing. This assumes that the Trump plan would obviate the need for any judicial processing - our courts are already overloaded. Should the need for some level of a legal process (likely a requirement that would come from the liberal elements in our Congress) emerge, that would translate into additional new courthouses and additional legal staffing (I believe he has some thoughts about getting financial aid from Australia by naming each facility TRUMP KANGAROO COURTHOUSE). At the steady state rate of 50,000 deportations per week, it will take almost 4 1/2 years guaranteeing his reelection to a second term - I am assuming no other American would be able to complete the task on schedule and on budget. Trump can pull from his German heritage to ensure success. The growth in government and cost of this "project" would be remedied during his second term as he, for the fifth time, would file for bankruptcy and leave the public sector at just the right time. You can't make this stuff up!
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Post by IndianSaint on Sept 23, 2015 10:52:04 GMT -5
My wife was telling me the other day that she doesn't want any more Bush or Clinton's. We've had too many of them already.
I'm not so quick to agree. I (and I'll go out on a limb) and the majority of all men probably still like bush. I've heard that some women like bush too. So I wouldn't count bush out just yet.
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Post by CellarRat on Sept 23, 2015 13:35:28 GMT -5
I never said yes to Bernie, not sure I ever would. You seem to have such a narrow view of political issues. I am very glad we can both agree to agree on the Saints since we clearly would agree to disagree on public policy. As an aside I am rooting for Trump all the way. LET'S stay focused on birthers Bengazi and building walls to protect our borders. These ARE the real issues that concern young mother's and fathers. All that Crap about education and equal opportunity they just don't resonate with the REALvoters like quick clever vapid quips about disadvantaged minorities and the people who have been breaking their butts for the last six years to return this country to the prominence and prestige that it still richly deserves. Go Saints! Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards Your response is just like MP's - you have created and destroyed the straw man effectively without any carbon emissions. Take a bow.
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Post by nysaintfan on Sept 23, 2015 13:46:40 GMT -5
But assuming there is income inequality and wealth disparity, a bigger government and income redistribution is not the answer. Income inequality and wealth disparity in the U.S. Is indisputable and becoming more pronounced. It is even worse than most people think it is, and not even close to what the vast majority of citizens think is the "ideal" - both Democrats and Republicans. This short video/info graphic is useful for understanding the current state. youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM
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Post by CellarRat on Sept 23, 2015 17:26:29 GMT -5
But assuming there is income inequality and wealth disparity, a bigger government and income redistribution is not the answer. Income inequality and wealth disparity in the U.S. Is indisputable and becoming more pronounced. It is even worse than most people think it is, and not even close to what the vast majority of citizens think is the "ideal" - both Democrats and Republicans. This short video/info graphic is useful for understanding the current state. youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsMSo the solution is to tax some people even more, others even less and some give them more. Question is how much more. A lot of people on this board fit into the top 20% and some even the top five and maybe a few in the top 1%. Do you want your taxes raised? Or do you want to raise someone else's taxes. I have had conversations like this with people whose effective tax rate was less than 15 percent. Of course they were willing to raise someone else's tax rate, who parenthetically is already paying more, like twice as much based on percentage of income. We need to stop punishing people for sacrificing thier time for success. If we do that income and drive will dissipate. It will become an uncollectible mirage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 19:02:31 GMT -5
Income inequality and wealth disparity in the U.S. Is indisputable and becoming more pronounced. It is even worse than most people think it is, and not even close to what the vast majority of citizens think is the "ideal" - both Democrats and Republicans. This short video/info graphic is useful for understanding the current state. youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsMSo the solution is to tax some people even more, others even less and some give them more. Question is how much more. A lot of people on this board fit into the top 20% and some even the top five and maybe a few in the top 1%. Do you want your taxes raised? Or do you want to raise someone else's taxes. I have had conversations like this with people whose effective tax rate was less than 15 percent. Of course they were willing to raise someone else's tax rate, who parenthetically is already paying more, like twice as much based on percentage of income. We need to stop punishing people for sacrificing thier time for success. If we do that income and drive will dissipate. It will become an uncollectible mirage. 'Splain to me who is talking about raising taxes, please. Trump's plan (the guy you said you would vote for if he is the Republican nominee) is riddled with "plans" that will, by definition, increase the size of the Government and raise taxes - he only has so much money and he'll piss that away before the elections. One good thing is he will raise taxes on the hedge fund operators - making their capital gains earnings more akin to normal income - that will likely impact the top end of your cited distribution of wealth as the majority of those folks make their money via capital gains and pay much less taxes, on a percentage basis, than the rest of us. The weather has been very, very nice - why don't you venture out of your cellar and see what the real world is like. Just a suggestion - maybe ask MTS to join you!!!!!!!!!
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Post by CellarRat on Sept 23, 2015 19:26:12 GMT -5
Mp I'm aware of the cap gains tax. Another straw-man huh. Libs like u favor a more progressive tax and oppose a flat tax or fair tax. Stop with your silliness, top 20% includes a good portion of the middle class. You are suggesting raising their taxes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 19:34:15 GMT -5
Mp I'm aware of the cap gains tax. Another straw-man huh. Libs like u favor a more progressive tax and oppose a flat tax or fair tax. Stop with your silliness, top 20% includes a good portion of the middle class. You are suggesting raising their taxes. Fall started today - it gets darker earlier so I suggest you turn your lights on in your bat cave and go back and find where I said anything that could be construed as saying I was suggesting raising taxes - your boy came up with that "plan"! How is the cap gain tax change a straw man? Your boy promised to do it. You should buy a better grade of straw to smoke - you are way too quick to blame it for any argument that you can't handle using your own grey cells.
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Post by CellarRat on Sept 23, 2015 19:44:34 GMT -5
It's a straw-man because I favor a flat tax. I believe income is income. Many republicans favor a fair or flat tax. All dems want a more progressive tax. Some like your pal Bernie sanders want income equality. So does Obama, thank god for an obstructionist republican congress.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 4:42:15 GMT -5
It's a straw-man because I favor a flat tax. I believe income is income. Many republicans favor a fair or flat tax. All dems want a more progressive tax. Some like your pal Bernie sanders want income equality. So does Obama, thank god for an obstructionist republican congress. Enjoy your senility. Thank you - a touch of senility makes it easy to suffer intolerant fools like yourself. Nice to see that you finally admit that the Republicans' only goal for the last 6+ years has and continues to be obstructionism - no matter the problem facing the country!
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Post by glen on Sept 24, 2015 6:42:17 GMT -5
MP - how have the Repubs been obstructionist. It seems O has gotten everything he's wanted.
As for bush...some guys like a little bush, some like a big bush. It's personal preference really.
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Post by psycholojets on Sept 24, 2015 7:07:02 GMT -5
Glen have you been in this country for the last 6 years? The repubs in congress have been so sure that Obama and all the people who voted him in office by good margins are all so clueless and have such dangerous and destructive ideas that they have systematically worked to block any is those ideas from finding their way into law. The blind arrogance and closed minded ness has been obvious to even casual observers and confirmed by the basement rodent. Not that I think CR has any inside knowledge of the inner workings of the GOP. His Mother's basement maybe but the workings of the GOP? No Way!
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Post by CellarRat on Sept 24, 2015 7:29:57 GMT -5
According to democrats when you disagree with the Aca or anything else proposed by the current president you are an obstructionist. When dems do it, it is "patriotic" - according to our next president Hilary Clinton.
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