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Post by musicman on Jun 23, 2015 9:25:12 GMT -5
Regardless of the point result against Duke and Wisconsin, I want to see the fight in this team. If we're fighting as best as we can against these programs, it will tell what type of season we'll have. great point diamonddog.
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Post by $cott on Jun 23, 2015 9:36:51 GMT -5
I agree. These are basically exhibition games for Duke and Wisconsin that count for their record. Is Siena getting any guarantee cash for the two ass kickings they are going to take? 100K. UAlbany is giving us .25 for their game **I can't believe people crying over playing Duke! lmao Just say you hate the coach and no matter who he schedules you disapprove. Playing at the premier program in the country, for 100K, on ESPN, is NEVER a bad thing. I would be fine with getting $100k for the Duke game and then another $100k for the Wisconsin game and even could swallow getting a home and home with Bryant. But getting $100k total for Duke, Wisconsin, a road game at Bryant with no return date, and a neutral site game with, yay, Prairie View A&M is a total ripoff. Better exempt events we could have pursued and could have scheduled these big time programs on the road for better guarantee money.
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Post by MTS on Jun 23, 2015 9:47:36 GMT -5
Jimmy basically scheduled 2 games where he won't get criticized for losing...he didn't schedule 2 challenging up games that will be a learning experience. Yes, last year's scheduled totally sucked which is why 20 losses is that much worse but folks there's a happy medium between "no top 100 teams" and "2 top 10 teams". Fairfield used to schedule these types of games. I don't recall it ever making a difference. Look, I'm all in favor of this type of thing when we have a team like Fran's year 3 and year 4 teams. Those teams had a fighting chance of making a game of it and maybe stealing one. This team does not. There's a very real chance we'll be down 25 at the half in both games. If you think that's a great recruiting situation or a learning experience, well, I disagree. I remember Fran's third season (the year we beat Vandy in the NCAAs) losing to Memphis by about 50 points. That game certainly did not hold the team back as they also beat Stanford earlier that year and won the MAAC championship. Odds are these will be two double digit losses but a lot of good can come out of it (and I'm not just talking about the RPI boost or the $100K Siena will bank). I bet one or both games will be respectable. Duke just reloads so they could easily be as strong but Wisconsin lost a ton. That game early in the season could be competitive for a while. Two years ago Vermont went into Cameron at 1-4 and lost to #6 ranked Duke by 1 point. This is why sports are great - you can't script it. Let's hope our team embraces their opportunity and plays to the best of their ability! espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400502693
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Post by rizman on Jun 23, 2015 9:54:53 GMT -5
Like RR getting the crap knocked out of him frosh year at Old Spice. Dam skinny kid kept coming back for more. Showing very good things to come. Let's hope we see that fight again.
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Post by billmurray on Jun 23, 2015 9:55:38 GMT -5
I agree. These are basically exhibition games for Duke and Wisconsin that count for their record. Is Siena getting any guarantee cash for the two ass kickings they are going to take? 100K. UAlbany is giving us .25 for their game **I can't believe people crying over playing Duke! lmao Just say you hate the coach and no matter who he schedules you disapprove. Playing at the premier program in the country, for 100K, on ESPN, is NEVER a bad thing. HJ on target here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 9:57:14 GMT -5
I'll play Duke for 100k. I might even do it naked. loincloth please. I don't know.... the naked spin move is my bread and better.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 23, 2015 10:43:29 GMT -5
100K. UAlbany is giving us .25 for their game **I can't believe people crying over playing Duke! lmao Just say you hate the coach and no matter who he schedules you disapprove. Playing at the premier program in the country, for 100K, on ESPN, is NEVER a bad thing. I would be fine with getting $100k for the Duke game and then another $100k for the Wisconsin game and even could swallow getting a home and home with Bryant. But getting $100k total for Duke, Wisconsin, a road game at Bryant with no return date, and a neutral site game with, yay, Prairie View A&M is a total ripoff. Better exempt events we could have pursued and could have scheduled these big time programs on the road for better guarantee money. You're dreaming if you think you'd ever get more than 100K guaranteed money from any other program. So playing the defending National Champs on ESPN, the night they hang their banner, isn't good enough for you? It is for me. A mid-major couldn't get a better slot, or more exposure than we will. Then getting to play Wisconsin. Program has blown up and gives us more great exposure. Sure the Bryant mini-tourney sucks, but it's well worth the trade off getting a shot at the 2 national title teams from last year. Hopefully we're 2-2 after those first 4 games.
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Post by $cott on Jun 23, 2015 10:51:35 GMT -5
I would be fine with getting $100k for the Duke game and then another $100k for the Wisconsin game and even could swallow getting a home and home with Bryant. But getting $100k total for Duke, Wisconsin, a road game at Bryant with no return date, and a neutral site game with, yay, Prairie View A&M is a total ripoff. Better exempt events we could have pursued and could have scheduled these big time programs on the road for better guarantee money. You're dreaming if you think you'd ever get more than 100K guaranteed money from any other program. So playing the defending National Champs on ESPN, the night they hang their banner, isn't good enough for you? It is for me. A mid-major couldn't get a better slot, or more exposure than we will. Then getting to play Wisconsin. Program has blown up and gives us more great exposure. Sure the Bryant mini-tourney sucks, but it's well worth the trade off getting a shot at the 2 national title teams from last year. Hopefully we're 2-2 after those first 4 games. I didn't say anything about getting more than $100k for a guarantee game from another program. But it is entirely realistic that Siena could have scheduled two different guarantee games at $100k each. Even at $75k each they are coming out ahead. Yes, the TV is nice but they lucked into that, that was no guarantee when they joined the tournament they would be opening night at Duke on ESPN. Could just as easily have been at VCU or Georgetown on ESPN3.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 10:52:42 GMT -5
The big factor is what does it do to the team's psyche if they are blown out by 30+ points. They're going to face NBA type players. Our defense was so porous last year and Lavonn and Imoh foul so frequently, don't expect that to change. We don't have the defensive talents of Edwin, Alex, Kenny, Rossiter, and Ronald to rely on. I think playing good mid majors like Butler, VCU, No. Iowa would serve the team better. I like IndianSaint will be staunchly pulling for Siena regardless. They got beat by Canisius by 30, better Duke than the Golden Griifins.
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Post by mrsiena on Jun 23, 2015 11:07:50 GMT -5
Edge, I know I was at that game. Thus my reference about the horrid defense.
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Post by glen on Jun 23, 2015 11:24:50 GMT -5
HJ - I tend to be pro-Jimmy. I was never against his hiring and see lots of opportunity. I just think that getting whooped doesn't help a team. If we play these teams tough and keep it under 15 I'll consider it a major positive. I don't expect that. Yes, Fran's team lost by 50...but going into it there was a realistic shot at being competitive. I just don't see a 20L team with major 's being able to perform on day 1. Additionally, if Jimmy doesn't emphasize the scouting report then pack it in.
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Post by $cott on Jun 23, 2015 12:05:05 GMT -5
HJ - I tend to be pro-Jimmy. I was never against his hiring and see lots of opportunity. I just think that getting whooped doesn't help a team. If we play these teams tough and keep it under 15 I'll consider it a major positive. I don't expect that. Yes, Fran's team lost by 50...but going into it there was a realistic shot at being competitive. I just don't see a 20L team with major 's being able to perform on day 1. Additionally, if Jimmy doesn't emphasize the scouting report then pack it in. Might want to lower your expectations a bit. I think if Siena is within 15 with 10 minutes to play in either of the games then it is a pretty positive experience. To finish both games within 15 would be a huge success. Last year Duke played 5 home games against low to mid majors, they won by 67, 50, 39, 20, and 13. Wisconsin actually played some quality midmajors in Buffalo, Boise St, and Green Bay and still won their games by 31, 44, 24, 24, 43, and 12. And as you can see the games tended to get closer later in the season, is even tougher early.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 23, 2015 12:06:59 GMT -5
You're dreaming if you think you'd ever get more than 100K guaranteed money from any other program. So playing the defending National Champs on ESPN, the night they hang their banner, isn't good enough for you? It is for me. A mid-major couldn't get a better slot, or more exposure than we will. Then getting to play Wisconsin. Program has blown up and gives us more great exposure. Sure the Bryant mini-tourney sucks, but it's well worth the trade off getting a shot at the 2 national title teams from last year. Hopefully we're 2-2 after those first 4 games. I didn't say anything about getting more than $100k for a guarantee game from another program. But it is entirely realistic that Siena could have scheduled two different guarantee games at $100k each. Even at $75k each they are coming out ahead. Yes, the TV is nice but they lucked into that, that was no guarantee when they joined the tournament they would be opening night at Duke on ESPN. Could just as easily have been at VCU or Georgetown on ESPN3. My two cents. The coaches/team would have been content playing GT/VCU (In fact that's what people/fans were led to believe especially VCU adding Siena to they 2015 schedule announcement). That would have provided the DMV players to play 2 games in their neck of woods. Getting the opportunity to play Duke/Wisc was a bonus to the same coaches/players. As for guarantee games the run from $40-$80k. Not too many $80+k for 1 game. Would I rather have scheduled two high majors on the road and get more than $100k total, yes. But I'm not the AD/coach so I don't have the same pull as them. Are there other tourneys I'd rather play, yes. Same explanation as above. It's great to discuss this stuff in off season but the only thing that really matters is Siena fans support their team regardless of what we want. What we want/get is secondary to the team/players/coaches. They'll continue to exist even if there were no fans (look at SPU & UA). It'll cost the school more but they'll survive. I'm glad to be part of it and support them. I just wish more fans were too.
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Post by $cott on Jun 23, 2015 12:15:58 GMT -5
I didn't say anything about getting more than $100k for a guarantee game from another program. But it is entirely realistic that Siena could have scheduled two different guarantee games at $100k each. Even at $75k each they are coming out ahead. Yes, the TV is nice but they lucked into that, that was no guarantee when they joined the tournament they would be opening night at Duke on ESPN. Could just as easily have been at VCU or Georgetown on ESPN3. My two cents. The coaches/team would have been content playing GT/VCU (In fact that's what people/fans were led to believe especially VCU adding Siena to they 2015 schedule announcement). That would have provided the DMV players to play 2 games in their neck of woods. Getting the opportunity to play Duke/Wisc was a bonus to the same coaches/players. As for guarantee games the run from $40-$80k. Not too many $80+k for 1 game. Would I rather have scheduled two high majors on the road and get more than $100k total, yes. But I'm not the AD/coach so I don't have the same pull as them. Are there other tourneys I'd rather play, yes. Same explanation as above. It's great to discuss this stuff in off season but the only thing that really matters is Siena fans support their team regardless of what we want. What we want/get is secondary to the team/players/coaches. They'll continue to exist even if there were no fans (look at SPU & UA). It'll cost the school more but they'll survive. I'm glad to be part of it and support them. I just wish more fans were too. This article seems to indicate that the days of $40k guarantee games are in the past, $75k to $100k is the norm now: www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/04/04/in-search-of-opponents-some-mens-college-hoops-coaches-try-speed-dating-event/
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 23, 2015 12:27:57 GMT -5
My two cents. The coaches/team would have been content playing GT/VCU (In fact that's what people/fans were led to believe especially VCU adding Siena to they 2015 schedule announcement). That would have provided the DMV players to play 2 games in their neck of woods. Getting the opportunity to play Duke/Wisc was a bonus to the same coaches/players. As for guarantee games the run from $40-$80k. Not too many $80+k for 1 game. Would I rather have scheduled two high majors on the road and get more than $100k total, yes. But I'm not the AD/coach so I don't have the same pull as them. Are there other tourneys I'd rather play, yes. Same explanation as above. It's great to discuss this stuff in off season but the only thing that really matters is Siena fans support their team regardless of what we want. What we want/get is secondary to the team/players/coaches. They'll continue to exist even if there were no fans (look at SPU & UA). It'll cost the school more but they'll survive. I'm glad to be part of it and support them. I just wish more fans were too. This article seems to indicate that the days of $40k guarantee games are in the past, $75k to $100k is the norm now: www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/04/04/in-search-of-opponents-some-mens-college-hoops-coaches-try-speed-dating-event/OK, I stand corrected. Just put me down as one lunatic Siena fan that's not expecting to lose. If we do, I won't be surprised, but I'm not going into it expecting to lose. If the team goes in expecting to lose (then they don't stand a chance because they've given up before it starts). Did NJIT play Mich expecting to lose? Maybe. Or maybe they never went in expecting to lose rather we'll give it our best shot and let's see what happens. I realize last yes Much is no Duke/Wisc but I'll stick w/analogy anyway.
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