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Post by Sienafan on Apr 22, 2015 16:51:41 GMT -5
Canisius just got a decent graduate transfer PG. McMillan from CCSU. Siena is really limited competitively by not having grad programs or taking JUCOs. I think that even overrides any advantage of fanbase and arena. There is no avenue for immediate improvement that most other schools have. It's part of the reason for this 5 year slump. Downward trends will continue to be extended until this is rectified. Siena can't easily compete in today's transfer environment. Davidson seems to be doing just fine under similar circumstances. Both schools are a rarity in Div. 1 being purely old school undergraduate liberal arts colleges. That said, the Siena administration sees the writing on the wall in terms of future sources of tuition revenue growth - and it's not in the undergraduate side of things given the shrinking pool of candidates that is not going to improve anytime soon. You can expect them to create a graduate school in the coming years. The newly added 17 acres across route 9 wasn't acquired just to have that lone operations building on it. Speaking of the future, Siena has now exceeded the $50 million goal in its latest fundraising campaign. It has $53.2 million raises as of the time I post this. Expect some movement on the athletic facility upgrades in the coming months, with groundbreaking as soon as next year. By law, they have to use the amount of that fundraising campaign specifically earmarked for the athletic facilities for that purpose or they must return the money. And I don't think anyone here believes Siena is about to return any money.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 22, 2015 17:13:02 GMT -5
Canisius just got a decent graduate transfer PG. McMillan from CCSU. Siena is really limited competitively by not having grad programs or taking JUCOs. I think that even overrides any advantage of fanbase and arena. There is no avenue for immediate improvement that most other schools have. It's part of the reason for this 5 year slump. Downward trends will continue to be extended until this is rectified. Siena can't easily compete in today's transfer environment. Davidson seems to be doing just fine under similar circumstances. Both schools are a rarity in Div. 1 being purely old school undergraduate liberal arts colleges. That said, the Siena administration sees the writing on the wall in terms of future sources of tuition revenue growth - and it's not in the undergraduate side of things given the shrinking pool of candidates that is not going to improve anytime soon. You can expect them to create a graduate school in the coming years. The newly added 17 acres across route 9 wasn't acquired just to have that lone operations building on it. Speaking of the future, Siena has now exceeded the $50 million goal in its latest fundraising campaign. It has $53.2 million raises as of the time I post this. Expect some movement on the athletic facility upgrades in the coming months, with groundbreaking as soon as next year. By law, they have to use the amount of that fundraising campaign specifically earmarked for the athletic facilities for that purpose or they must return the money. And I don't think anyone here believes Siena is about to return any money. I guess rider must be above the law. They have fund raised for basketball facilities upgrades dozens of times since joining the MAAC. ;-)
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 22, 2015 17:51:23 GMT -5
To add to KS, my understanding is there's usually a reason why someone goes the JUCO route. Sometimes it's grades, how good basketball wise (or lacking), money (many Div 2 & 3 don't offer ships).. So my opinion is maybe Siena doesn't want Jimmy to go that route unless they'll help GPA/Grad rates. What do you take awy from this?
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Post by Tony on Apr 22, 2015 17:52:51 GMT -5
Davidson seems to be doing just fine under similar circumstances. Both schools are a rarity in Div. 1 being purely old school undergraduate liberal arts colleges. That said, the Siena administration sees the writing on the wall in terms of future sources of tuition revenue growth - and it's not in the undergraduate side of things given the shrinking pool of candidates that is not going to improve anytime soon. You can expect them to create a graduate school in the coming years. The newly added 17 acres across route 9 wasn't acquired just to have that lone operations building on it. Speaking of the future, Siena has now exceeded the $50 million goal in its latest fundraising campaign. It has $53.2 million raises as of the time I post this. Expect some movement on the athletic facility upgrades in the coming months, with groundbreaking as soon as next year. By law, they have to use the amount of that fundraising campaign specifically earmarked for the athletic facilities for that purpose or they must return the money. And I don't think anyone here believes Siena is about to return any money. I guess rider must be above the law. They have fund raised for basketball facilities upgrades dozens of times since joining the MAAC. ;-) Problem is Rider never reaches their goal--or if they do they go for modest upgrades. As for 5th year transfers and Juco's please more excuses,When Jimmy was first hired he said he knows nothing about Juco's and stays away from them.If he wanted occasional JuCo that was good student he could get him into Siena
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Post by siena12077 on Apr 22, 2015 18:23:08 GMT -5
To add to KS, my understanding is there's usually a reason why someone goes the JUCO route. Sometimes it's grades, how good basketball wise (or lacking), money (many Div 2 & 3 don't offer ships).. So my opinion is maybe Siena doesn't want Jimmy to go that route unless they'll help GPA/Grad rates. What do you take awy from this? That's he feels that the admin/or staff feel like it may be an academic risk to take a JUCO right now based on the fact that some have trouble academically (and that's why they go the JUCO route). Because they are losing JO's team high GPA and the transfers out, then maybe the team GPA is not seen as stable enough to take on such a risk. No mention whether he felt that way, just his opinion the admin might feel that way.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 22, 2015 18:40:06 GMT -5
What do you take awy from this? That's he feels that the admin/or staff feel like it may be an academic risk to take a JUCO right now based on the fact that some have trouble academically (and that's why they go the JUCO route). Because they are losing JO's team high GPA and the transfers out, then maybe the team GPA is not seen as stable enough to take on such a risk. No mention whether he felt that way, just his opinion the admin might feel that way. I took it as a sterotype assumming any JC kid that comes here will have a bad GPA. If Siena cared so much about academics, Edwin never would have been admitted.
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Post by Papi on Apr 22, 2015 20:00:01 GMT -5
If you want to win you take chances.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 22, 2015 20:26:26 GMT -5
This entire argument is predicated on the conclusion that ALL Jucos are sub par academically which is absurd
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 22, 2015 20:28:50 GMT -5
To add to KS, my understanding is there's usually a reason why someone goes the JUCO route. Sometimes it's grades, how good basketball wise (or lacking), money (many Div 2 & 3 don't offer ships).. If Siena is trying to academically stay towards the top for its athletics there's only so many lower GPS athletes they want to offer ships to. JO left and took his higher GPA with him. The walk-ons help with GPA too. So my opinion is maybe Siena doesn't want Jimmy to go that route unless they'll help GPA/Grad rates. Also, there's that negative stereo-type applied to some JUCOs whereby most others are impacted by those few. They get a bad wrap and don't deserve it in most cases. So now you expect our staff to recruit JUCO's to "help the team GPA?" lol No wonder we'll never beat Iona. Just the opposite, I don't believe Siena will go the JUCO route (very often) due to it's perceived lowering of the Athletics grades/graduation rate. At least that's the perception (since they don't go that route like Iona). Siena doesn't want the baggage or stigmatism that's associated (perceived) with JUCOs.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 22, 2015 20:31:38 GMT -5
So now you expect our staff to recruit JUCO's to "help the team GPA?" lol No wonder we'll never beat Iona. Just the opposite, I don't believe Siena will go the JUCO route (very often) due to it's perceived lowering of the Athletics grades/graduation rate. At least that's the perception (since they don't go that route like Iona). Siena doesn't want the baggage or stigmatism that's associated (perceived) with JUCOs. Practically every team in the country goes this route at one time or another why are we so special ?
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 22, 2015 20:35:00 GMT -5
So now you expect our staff to recruit JUCO's to "help the team GPA?" lol No wonder we'll never beat Iona. I didn't get that from this post at all. I think he is saying that there are other reasons that players go JuCO, not just because of grades. He's also saying since that it is the case sometimes with jucos, and we lost JO, maybe the staff is concerned about the teams GPA. Might be worth the risk at this point, but then again have no idea what the teams grades are like I just don't think Siena (maybe more admin than coach) don't care for JUCOs. I do think grades might have something to do with the reason (JMO - no facts to back it up). I personally don't mind JUCOs simply because I'm a basketball fan and want to win. Others want to win but only the right way (however they define that). Iona wants to win (at any cost - including skimping on Academics). At least that's how some view it.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 22, 2015 20:40:36 GMT -5
To add to KS, my understanding is there's usually a reason why someone goes the JUCO route. Sometimes it's grades, how good basketball wise (or lacking), money (many Div 2 & 3 don't offer ships).. So my opinion is maybe Siena doesn't want Jimmy to go that route unless they'll help GPA/Grad rates. What do you take awy from this? IMO I don't think the admin will allow Jimmy to get a JUCO unless that JUCO is academically eligible (and won't hurt the overall athletic depts rates (grad or What ever overall GOA they're trying to stay above). There have been exceptions in Gran's 1st yr because he had no bodies. I have no facts but it seems Siena doesn't "go the JUCO route" for what ever reason (perceived or actual).
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 22, 2015 20:43:56 GMT -5
Dean Smith signed Bob McAoo and Bobby Knight did all right with Keith Smart
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 22, 2015 20:52:33 GMT -5
What do you take awy from this? That's he feels that the admin/or staff feel like it may be an academic risk to take a JUCO right now based on the fact that some have trouble academically (and that's why they go the JUCO route). Because they are losing JO's team high GPA and the transfers out, then maybe the team GPA is not seen as stable enough to take on such a risk. No mention whether he felt that way, just his opinion the admin might feel that way. That's what I'm trying to say. Hey, I admit I'm not politically correct; but there is a perception (real or not) that some go the JUCO route due to grades (especially when they're good enough to play D-1 from the start). I believe (real or not) that Siena is trying to maintain a level of academic standard (for its entire athletic program). So yes, that allows them to skimp in some areas while they may have scholars in other areas. For every Eddie we had many others who balanced it out. I'm not saying Eddie had bad grades but others have eluded to that so I'll use him as an example. This is justy opinion and I'm probably wrong. So why is it that Siena does not go the JUCO route - than if not for grades and/or character?
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 22, 2015 20:53:43 GMT -5
This entire argument is predicated on the conclusion that ALL Jucos are sub par academically which is absurd I totally agree but that's a perception I think exists.
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