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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:55:32 GMT -5
Basically the team was "fine" at the end of last year and prepared to move forward. Injuries, defections and quite honestly lack of consistent focus/leadership resulted in the "back-stepping" this year. If the new pieces added to the returning players work out all should be back on track next season. I liken it to McCaffery's 5 year process at Iowa. Things started to improve in year three and are fully back on track in year 5. Rebuilding is a process and the program was fully decimated when Patsos got here. The problem is the success at the end of the first season heightened expectations and then injuries and the recruiting mistake on Cole and the resulting disruption it caused led to decline and the mismatch of heightened expectations and poor results. The frustration is understandable, but I don't see the benefit of posting consistently negative comments at every turn. We all get it, the results aren't there and some don't like the coach and/or the AD. Having said that once is all it takes to get that point across. It doesn't have to be restated in every thread on every topic. We get it you are fed up but quite honestly many of us are tired/fed up with hearing the same lines repeated over and over again. Funny - how many times have you repeated that comment! I guess what you are comfortable with is a one vote society - once you cast it you must remain silent forever more regardless of what additional shit comes along to piss you off. How about you go first! And to be clear - are you only talking about the HC position - are the "Hater" - "not" - "Hater" - "not" - "stalker" - "#FACTS" rants (that's for th24's benefit) on other subjects also in your "quite honestly many of us are tired/fed up with hearing the same lines repeated over and over again" comment? I hope so but seriously doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 15:00:57 GMT -5
Right on Bill. Well said. Careful Hank - if you read Bill's "well said" words, he is laying blame for this season entirely on the players - no mention of any other problems or needed fixes. Comparing our current HC to Fran is, quite frankly, ludicrous! The similarity between the two "5" year plans ends at the "5"!
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Post by billmurray on Mar 16, 2015 15:24:50 GMT -5
Basically the team was "fine" at the end of last year and prepared to move forward. Injuries, defections and quite honestly lack of consistent focus/leadership resulted in the "back-stepping" this year. If the new pieces added to the returning players work out all should be back on track next season. I liken it to McCaffery's 5 year process at Iowa. Things started to improve in year three and are fully back on track in year 5. Rebuilding is a process and the program was fully decimated when Patsos got here. The problem is the success at the end of the first season heightened expectations and then injuries and the recruiting mistake on Cole and the resulting disruption it caused led to decline and the mismatch of heightened expectations and poor results. The frustration is understandable, but I don't see the benefit of posting consistently negative comments at every turn. We all get it, the results aren't there and some don't like the coach and/or the AD. Having said that once is all it takes to get that point across. It doesn't have to be restated in every thread on every topic. We get it you are fed up but quite honestly many of us are tired/fed up with hearing the same lines repeated over and over again. Funny - how many times have you repeated that comment! I guess what you are comfortable with is a one vote society - once you cast it you must remain silent forever more regardless of what additional shit comes along to piss you off. How about you go first! And to be clear - are you only talking about the HC position - are the "Hater" - "not" - "Hater" - "not" - "stalker" - "#FACTS" rants (that's for th24's benefit) on other subjects also in your "quite honestly many of us are tired/fed up with hearing the same lines repeated over and over again" comment? I hope so but seriously doubt it. You doubt incorrectly. I don't need to see thread after thread of back and forth on topics that were thrown out as bait on either side of the "argument". We are all Siena fans and respectful discourse should be the goal here. This is not the SMAAC board after all. Further, I never compared McCaffery to Patsos. I was comparing the state of the programs and the need for a longer term fix versus a quick turnaround and I did not imply that there is not responsibility to be put on the coaching staff. The coaching staff is part of the "leadership" I noted. I'm sorry I have repeated my point on the tenor of the discussion, but the issue keeps repeating itself and I am just trying to encourage a return of this board to "readable" status.
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Post by yankee on Mar 16, 2015 17:13:11 GMT -5
Am I crazy or does that ball not get swatted enough to go right to the shooter. It literally looks like a play from that baseball movie with the angels interfering
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Post by Tony on Mar 16, 2015 17:27:59 GMT -5
Basically the team was "fine" at the end of last year and prepared to move forward. Injuries, defections and quite honestly lack of consistent focus/leadership resulted in the "back-stepping" this year. If the new pieces added to the returning players work out all should be back on track next season. I liken it to McCaffery's 5 year process at Iowa. Things started to improve in year three and are fully back on track in year 5. Rebuilding is a process and the program was fully decimated when Patsos got here. The problem is the success at the end of the first season heightened expectations and then injuries and the recruiting mistake on Cole and the resulting disruption it caused led to decline and the mismatch of heightened expectations and poor results. The frustration is understandable, but I don't see the benefit of posting consistently negative comments at every turn. We all get it, the results aren't there and some don't like the coach and/or the AD. Having said that once is all it takes to get that point across. It doesn't have to be restated in every thread on every topic. We get it you are fed up but quite honestly many of us are tired/fed up with hearing the same lines repeated over and over again. Good post Bill-- not sure I agree with Fran analogy- but I get it. Personally I'm trying to keep an open mind on Jimmy and am willing to give him this year. Doesn't matter to me that Jimmy has only been here 2 years we have had a ton of coaches inherit messes and win the MAAC by their 3rd year ( Deane Hewitt Fran ) this year will be Jimmy's 3rd year- at the risk of repeating myself like some of the haters, I will state I'm expecting a competitive team a top 4 MAAC team-- a 500 type season and I'll be calling for Jimmy's head - at some point the excuses have to stop ( 5 year plan we are young we are hurt, its Mitch's fault etc etc ) Nothing will be done this year, so I ask those calling for Jimmy's head to give it a year, if we stink next season we can all start calling for Jimmy's head and run the 500 coach right out of town !!!
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Post by billmurray on Mar 16, 2015 17:36:49 GMT -5
Just as there are fans that like certain things about Patsos and are free to express their opinions there are fans that point out things they dislike. It isn't constant bitching. Do you think only positive opinions should be posted. There is certainly room for legitimate criticism and then there are snarky comments on every unrelated post/thread and bait and attack activity. It is over the top and need not be done. A review of many threads here will bear witness to this type of behavior. Review the board activity and tell me I am wrong.
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Post by clickclack on Mar 16, 2015 17:40:27 GMT -5
Basically the team was "fine" at the end of last year and prepared to move forward. Injuries, defections and quite honestly lack of consistent focus/leadership resulted in the "back-stepping" this year. If the new pieces added to the returning players work out all should be back on track next season. I liken it to McCaffery's 5 year process at Iowa. Things started to improve in year three and are fully back on track in year 5. Rebuilding is a process and the program was fully decimated when Patsos got here. The problem is the success at the end of the first season heightened expectations and then injuries and the recruiting mistake on Cole and the resulting disruption it caused led to decline and the mismatch of heightened expectations and poor results. The frustration is understandable, but I don't see the benefit of posting consistently negative comments at every turn. We all get it, the results aren't there and some don't like the coach and/or the AD. Having said that once is all it takes to get that point across. It doesn't have to be restated in every thread on every topic. We get it you are fed up but quite honestly many of us are tired/fed up with hearing the same lines repeated over and over again. Good post Bill-- not sure I agree with Fran analogy- but I get it. Personally I'm trying to keep an open mind on Jimmy and am willing to give him this year. Doesn't matter to me that Jimmy has only been here 2 years we have had a ton of coaches inherit messes and win the MAAC by their 3rd year ( Deane Hewitt Fran ) this year will be Jimmy's 3rd year- at the risk of repeating myself like some of the haters, I will state I'm expecting a competitive team a top 4 MAAC team-- a 500 type season and I'll be calling for Jimmy's head - at some point the excuses have to stop ( 5 year plan we are young we are hurt, its Mitch's fault etc etc ) Nothing will be done this year, so I ask those calling for Jimmy's head to give it a year, if we stink next season we can all start calling for Jimmy's head and run the 500 coach right out of town !!! This is a level headed post... As an outsider you gotta give him this last one. Can I ask your view on the UA game... Does he need to win that game next year? If he doesn't what impact will it have?
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Post by Tony on Mar 16, 2015 17:47:41 GMT -5
Good post Bill-- not sure I agree with Fran analogy- but I get it. Personally I'm trying to keep an open mind on Jimmy and am willing to give him this year. Doesn't matter to me that Jimmy has only been here 2 years we have had a ton of coaches inherit messes and win the MAAC by their 3rd year ( Deane Hewitt Fran ) this year will be Jimmy's 3rd year- at the risk of repeating myself like some of the haters, I will state I'm expecting a competitive team a top 4 MAAC team-- a 500 type season and I'll be calling for Jimmy's head - at some point the excuses have to stop ( 5 year plan we are young we are hurt, its Mitch's fault etc etc ) Nothing will be done this year, so I ask those calling for Jimmy's head to give it a year, if we stink next season we can all start calling for Jimmy's head and run the 500 coach right out of town !!! This is a level headed post... As an outsider you gotta give him this last one. Can I ask your view on the UA game... Does he need to win that game next year? If he doesn't what impact will it have? I think I answered that--top 4 MAAC teams seldom lose to AE teams- not saying it cant happen, but fact of the matter is it seldom does. I wouldn't base Jimmy career on one game- but if this year if we are a top 4 MAAC team we should be beating UA and Vermont-if at the end of the day he cant-( I'd doubt we end up top 4 in MAAC if we lost to both ) And again if we finish outside top 4 I would no longer be supporting Jimmy and Siena until he is terminated. Its not only been losing the game, Brown has out coached jimmy badly making him look like a JV coach last year
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Post by MTS on Mar 16, 2015 17:56:36 GMT -5
This is a level headed post... As an outsider you gotta give him this last one. Can I ask your view on the UA game... Does he need to win that game next year? If he doesn't what impact will it have? I think I answered that--top 4 MAAC teams seldom lose to AE teams- not saying it cant happen, but fact of the matter is it seldom does. I wouldn't base Jimmy career on one game- but if this year if we are a top 4 MAAC team we should be beating UA and Vermont-if at the end of the day he cant-( I'd doubt we end up top 4 in MAAC if we lost to both ) And again if we finish outside top 4 I would no longer be supporting Jimmy and Siena until he is terminated. Its not only been losing the game, Brown has out coached jimmy badly making him look like a JV coach last year I expect Siena to be top 4 next year - best front line, good PG - Nico/Wormley will be important. If we aren't top 4 Jimmy will lose the Siena fan base. No more excuses.
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Post by olddave on Mar 16, 2015 18:02:08 GMT -5
This is a level headed post... As an outsider you gotta give him this last one. Can I ask your view on the UA game... Does he need to win that game next year? If he doesn't what impact will it have? I think I answered that--top 4 MAAC teams seldom lose to AE teams- not saying it cant happen, but fact of the matter is it seldom does. I wouldn't base Jimmy career on one game- but if this year if we are a top 4 MAAC team we should be beating UA and Vermont-if at the end of the day he cant-( I'd doubt we end up top 4 in MAAC if we lost to both ) And again if we finish outside top 4 I would no longer be supporting Jimmy and Siena until he is terminated. Its not only been losing the game, Brown has out coached jimmy badly making him look like a JV coach last year Tony right Brown is a big game coach, though this year he had a hell of a season. JP made adjustments far to late in the Alb Cup game. Year for Siena was total disaster, for Clicks benefited UA obviously much better team this year. See what next year bring make or break year for JP.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 16, 2015 18:05:29 GMT -5
Am I crazy or does that ball not get swatted enough to go right to the shooter. It literally looks like a play from that baseball movie with the angels interfering No, you're crazy Warney clearly tips the ball back to Hooley. Got his whole hand on it. Guess he just wanted the ball away from the basket!?
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Post by olddave on Mar 16, 2015 18:10:56 GMT -5
Am I crazy or does that ball not get swatted enough to go right to the shooter. It literally looks like a play from that baseball movie with the angels interfering No, you're crazy Warney clearly tips the ball back to Hooley. Got his whole hand on it. Guess he just wanted the ball away from the basket!? Sucks for SB, good for UA but it's called rebounding, grip the ball. Even a jump ball call game probably would have expired.
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Post by musicman on Mar 18, 2015 14:18:17 GMT -5
you have a real knack for saying things that are uncalled for and not necessary. This comment is a perfect example of why many of us on here get pissed off about a few individuals' constant negativism. It's not about being objective or calling it as you see it. It's going out your way to insult our team with every opportunity, whether the topic is Siena basketball or not. Be critical when justified, but bullshit digs like that are getting really old. And I'm tired of biting my tongue every time I read an unnecessary comment like that. Why? I don't get it! And please don't justify it with stupid comments like you've been a true fan for years and you've paid for your season tickets. etc. Cheap shots like that at our team ? You're not a real fan of Siena basketball! The key word in my statement is program, sorry that I am not happy with how the program has handled the past 5 years. Siena has great tradition and history, I love the program and if you ask anyone who knows me they know I am always giving Siena the benefit of the doubt with its decisions. Siena will rise again and it will fall again, but it has been a frustrating time. Don't ever call me out for being a real fan, you have no clue who I am or what I give to this program. You have no idea how many road games I travel to, donations I give, season tickets I buy, extra tickets I buy for charity to attend games, or how many years I have supported Siena through the great times (NIT at the Garden, NCAAs appearances and wins) and the bad times (Beyer, Lanier and Mitch), I can't help how you take or interpret a comment. Being upset as a die hard Siena guy when UA is celebrating and dancing is difficult to watch the past 3 seasons, honestly they are the better program right now and I hate saying that but it is true. I was also happy for UA and especially Hooley, that kid deserves and needed it. You no where read anything negative about UAlbany from my comments. Every basketball fan should be happy for them. That's not the point of this discussion. You can twist it any way you want to but your comment was a cheap shot at OUR program, yours and mine. Siena basketball. I've loved it for almost 40 years myself through thick and really thin. We've all been frustrated. Your sarcastic remark was not an appropriate way to "compliment" Albany. Have a good summer! Go Saints!
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 20, 2015 20:07:02 GMT -5
Announcers just said that UA has slowly but surely taken over the capital district. Dissed Siena.
FU very much Siena and the administration
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Post by greenblood on Mar 20, 2015 20:35:07 GMT -5
Ka Boom..that should shake up all the premium donors.
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