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Post by gorvy on Mar 1, 2015 9:46:53 GMT -5
Happen to agree with both sides. JP made mistakes coaching and recruiting. He also had some bad luck this year with the injuries. Does he need to revise his staff wouldn't hurt. This season has to be thrown out due to the injuries and Cole etc. I know many do not want to hear this but the team overachieved last year and gave all of us false hopes. We all want to live in the past, well don't forget 5 years JP was in the MAAC Saint Fran was coaching at Siena. JP not the greatest coach certainly not the worst, ride the storm out is the only thing we can do. So glad we didn't hire the worst-- whew!
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Post by Papi on Mar 1, 2015 9:48:27 GMT -5
After next week 2 down 3 to go. Or in the 8-10 year plan 5 down 3 to go.
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Post by indian82 on Mar 1, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -5
After next week 2 down 3 to go. Or in the 8-10 year plan 5 down 3 to go. Why would anything be on an 8-10 year plan? Seriously, would you accept that type of mediocrity? Do you not want a winner here before that?
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Post by Papi on Mar 1, 2015 9:57:36 GMT -5
After next week 2 down 3 to go. Or in the 8-10 year plan 5 down 3 to go. Why would anything be on an 8-10 year plan? Seriously, would you accept that type of mediocrity? Do you not want a winner here before that? If you go back and look at the history of the program that's exactly what it is. The Fran 3peat the exception. I think that was more luck than anything, a great group and not many injuries.
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Post by indian82 on Mar 1, 2015 10:12:37 GMT -5
Why would anything be on an 8-10 year plan? Seriously, would you accept that type of mediocrity? Do you not want a winner here before that? If you go back and look at the history of the program that's exactly what it is. The Fran 3peat the exception. I think that was more luck than anything, a great group and not many injuries. Luck is always involved to some degree. But the fact is, you create much of your own luck. Had Fran stayed, that 'luck' most likely would have continued. But let's move on from Fran. I will ask again. You are willing to accept that kind of mediocrity?
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Post by Papi on Mar 1, 2015 10:18:25 GMT -5
If you go back and look at the history of the program that's exactly what it is. The Fran 3peat the exception. I think that was more luck than anything, a great group and not many injuries. Luck is always involved to some degree. But the fact is, you create much of your own luck. Had Fran stayed, that 'luck' most likely would have continued. But let's move on from Fran. I will ask again. You are willing to accept that kind of mediocrity? It is what it is. Winning is more fun but I can't control who is hired or what players are recruited. All I can do is show up and see what happens.
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Post by MTS on Mar 1, 2015 10:28:22 GMT -5
I'm still in Jimmy's corner. If we struggle next year then I will join the rest of his critics. Most people thought it would be not until his third year that we would be a seriously contender thanks to the PW's recruiting. We jumped ahead of that projected mark because of the CBI title or so we thought.
Bottom line is we (along with many publications) over hyped the team because of our strong finish last year. Then the injuries/defections/bad chemistry hit and you have a disaster of a season. Patsos showed me enough in year one and his final two years at Loyola that he can be a solid coach.
That said JP has to "up" his game...keep recruiting better, schedule better and frankly just win games.
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Post by indian82 on Mar 1, 2015 10:33:26 GMT -5
Luck is always involved to some degree. But the fact is, you create much of your own luck. Had Fran stayed, that 'luck' most likely would have continued. But let's move on from Fran. I will ask again. You are willing to accept that kind of mediocrity? It is what it is. Winning is more fun but I can't control who is hired or what players are recruited. All I can do is show up and see what happens. Your last post stated that going to the NCAAs 3 years in a row, with 2 first round wins, was mostly luck. This post you acknowledge who is hired/recruited has a bearing on how a team performs. Inconsistent at best. Everything is what it is. Of course you can't control who is hired, but I can expect more than mediocrity and voice a concern if that's all I am getting, not just wait around for 8-10 years. It sounds like you're answer is "Yes, I accept mediocrity." If that's all you want, then fine.
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Post by Tony on Mar 1, 2015 10:33:44 GMT -5
if it takes Siena another 3 or 4 years- Saints will probably be back on campus at the ARC- a bad year next year and attendance will nosedive Actual attendance is way down this year, terrible scheduling and an awful winter helping that number. Siena just needs to get a little better over the next few years, Iona is the top dog and looks like they will be again next season. If Siena gets the right corporate sponsors to help them get through the next few seasons they will be fine. that's not going to happen- corporate sponsors want to be associated with winners- not losers. Looks like you'll be a loser since they don't serve beer at ARC- another bad year and you'll be that much closer. The more attendance nosedives the more corporate sponsors will run away from product
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Post by Papi on Mar 1, 2015 10:45:00 GMT -5
Actual attendance is way down this year, terrible scheduling and an awful winter helping that number. Siena just needs to get a little better over the next few years, Iona is the top dog and looks like they will be again next season. If Siena gets the right corporate sponsors to help them get through the next few seasons they will be fine. that's not going to happen- corporate sponsors want to be associated with winners- not losers. Looks like you'll be a loser since they don't serve beer at ARC- another bad year and you'll be that much closer. The more attendance nosedives the more corporate sponsors will run away from product People always buy cars, wine and liquor and DD isn't hurting for business. Those sponsors don't need Siena to win. Ride it out for a few more years.
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Post by james on Mar 1, 2015 10:50:59 GMT -5
Now would be the time to start to schedule games against better conferences as they would be more apt to play Siena thinking it could be an easy win.It used to be nice to have (Good Programs) come into town and struggle against the Saints.What we have been getting recently(the past few years) are so-so teams that the administration has been touting as what could be our toughest schedule ever and at the same time raising ticket prices.GO SAINTS!!
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 1, 2015 11:08:44 GMT -5
that's not going to happen- corporate sponsors want to be associated with winners- not losers. Looks like you'll be a loser since they don't serve beer at ARC- another bad year and you'll be that much closer. The more attendance nosedives the more corporate sponsors will run away from product People always buy cars, wine and liquor and DD isn't hurting for business. Those sponsors don't need Siena to win. Ride it out for a few more years. There are many Siena grads in the Cap District who are business leaders . . . expect a high level of corporate support to continue . . . although I'd agree that a winning team would bring more onboard
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Post by Tony on Mar 1, 2015 11:14:27 GMT -5
People always buy cars, wine and liquor and DD isn't hurting for business. Those sponsors don't need Siena to win. Ride it out for a few more years. There are many Siena grads in the Cap District who are business leaders . . . expect a high level of corporate support to continue . . . although I'd agree that a winning team would bring more onboard A few things no matter how many Cap district business owners - they have a fiduciary responsibility to their company and bottom line. If the team continues to lose, attendance will plummet- sorry after 5 straight bad years not much more the fan base can take - who wants to pay top dollar to sponsor a team with dropping attendance and losing records. It will affect the program big time. Next year is a critical year for Jimmy's future at Siena and the Siena program- just been too many losing or bad seasons. Jimmy doesn't have to win the MAAC next year, but we better be a serious threat to or I'm going to find another hobby- and I have feeling thousands of other Siena fans feel the same way I do. I fully realize there is a core base of 2500 fans that will go to Siena games no matter what-- I'm quite sure many other fans feel similar to me, I'm not paying top dollar for a low major program, just not going to do it – and I am a longtime fan been going to game since the Marc Brown Days in ARC- in fact as kid went to ARC when it was 1st opening. I’m sure I’ll just cherry pick games. But hey hopefully it doesn’t come to that Jimmy turns this program around next season- all I can say for sure is D’arg Jimmy and Siena better not take the season ticket holders for granted- we pay by far the highest prices in MAAC and due to poor coaching and bad administrative choices – had a subpar product 5 years in a row. At some time the excuses have to stop and you have to win.
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 1, 2015 11:16:24 GMT -5
High performing companies do not want to be associated with losing on a regular basis
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Post by indian82 on Mar 1, 2015 11:34:58 GMT -5
High performing companies do not want to be associated with losing on a regular basis Agree and losing is one thing, and more importantly, they're not paying big money for less people to see it. Papi must not understand advertising. We are not in a dire situation, but next year is important. Our cross-town rival is on the rise and we have to do something soon to maintain the edge we have to keep seats in the TUC. Waiting 8-10 years is not a good plan. I'm not saying we have to win the MAAC next year or even the year after, but we do have to start challenging and being a force in this league again. That said, I am optimistic about the guys we have returning and coming in. It's up to Jimmy to get us over that hump and translate that to competitiveness and wins. Then success can breed success if the mindset changes.
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