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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 24, 2015 12:32:37 GMT -5
At the end of last season, Siena finished the year with a +103 rebounding differential. At this point of the '14-'15 season, they are -18. Long, Wright, and Poole are all averaging nearly exactly the same mpg and rpg as last season (each within .2 of their average last year). JO has increased his rebounding rate from his Freshman season, although it is still below what you'd want from your 5 playing the minutes he's getting. Willem & Paige are rebounding at about the same rate as JO his Freshman year. The difference lies in the missing personnel: Brett Bisping and Imoh Silas accounted for 29.88% of Siena's rebounds in '13-14. I don't think that rebounding has been as glaring an issue this season as the team's defense or 3 point shooting, but I do think it's easy to forget how GOOD of a rebounding team Siena was last season. It was one of their reliable attributes, something they could hang their hat on when their offense wasn't clicking. Let's hope next season this team can rebound in more ways than one. Attachments:Rebounding by Game.xlsx (14.84 KB)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 12:51:59 GMT -5
It's all about rebounds per minute.
Silas and Bisping were the best 2. You're replacing them with JO, WB and Paige. It makes a big difference.
The bench guards have also regressed. But that could also be due to lack of boxing out...where those 2 also helped others get boards.
Silas is just a man. People tend to focus on his bad screens and screwy offensive footwork. On the defense and rebounding side, he's aces.
Before you say he fouls too much...rethink that impact. The entire team fouls too much already.
Javion has been on fire of late blocking shots and is actually 3rd in the MAAC in blocked shots.
Shotblocking:
Silas blocked .50 shots per foul...with 3.9 blocks per 40 minutes Javion blocks .42 shots per foul...with 2.17 blocks per 40 minutes Bisping blocked .267 shots per foul...with 1.19 blocks per 40 minutes Willem blocks .229 shots per foul...with 1.26 blocks per 40 minutes Lavon blocks .128 shots per foul....with 0.73 blocks per 40 minutes Paige blocks .115 shots per foul....with 0.36 blocks per 40 minutes
So for every 2 fouls, Silas blocks a shot ..and he affects shots at a ridiculous rate per 40 minutes.
Rebounding:
Silas averaged 11.19 boards per 40 mins Bisping averaged 9.67 boards per 40 mins Paige averages 8.57 boards per 40 mins Willem averages 7.56 boards per 40 mins Long averages 7.33 boards per 40 mins Javion averages 7.07 boards per 40 mins
JO has improved this year in these to get to this point. Who is to say that Silas wouldn't have also?
The competition? Some notables:
Drame = 14.72 boards per 40 min, .93 blocks/foul, 3.89 blocks per 40 minutes Laury = 10.83 boards per 40 min, .49 blocks/foul, 1.48 blocks per 40 minutes Kofane = 9.68 boards per 40 min, .52 blocks/foul, 2.78 blocks per 40 minutes Gilbert = 7.92 boards per 40 min, .70 blocks/foul, 5.02 blocks per 40 minutes Pankey = 9.42 boards per 40 min, .38 blocks/foul, 2.02 blocks per 40 minutes
Sidibe, Lopez, Reid, and Dominique are pretty elite rebounders as well.
But when I say Silas is elite in the MAAC in those 2 categories...I'm not kidding. He'll probably be the best and most proven shotblocker returning in the league next year. And only Pankey, Reid and Sidibe return of that above list next year...and they are just rebounders.
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Post by musicman on Feb 24, 2015 14:38:52 GMT -5
good stuff fellas! I knew there was a reason or two why I enjoyed being on here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 15:40:07 GMT -5
Ok now here's one. I think Silas/JO is a good center platoon...if you stick with it.
Here's why.
Silas played 16.8 mpg last year...JO 26.6 mpg this year. That's 43.4 mpg...just over platoon numbers.
But if I add their stats together, and prorate it back down to 40 mpg, here's what we get:
Mins =40 FG% =52.4% FT% =51.1% PTS= 12.3 Reb =8.7 BLK =2.9 AST =1.4 TO =2.3 Stl =1.4 PF =6.2
That also works out to 86 blocks combined on the year. Also, 41-69 A/TO and 19 steals.
Silas brings added shotblocking and rebounding while JO puts up the points.
Also, they will both be older and more experienced..JO is already scoring more than this of late....it's conceivable that they do better than this as a tandem.
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Post by saintsandeagles on Feb 24, 2015 15:47:32 GMT -5
Ok now here's one. I think Silas/JO is a good center platoon...if you stick with it. Here's why. Silas played 16.8 mpg last year...JO 26.6 mpg this year. That's 43.4 mpg...just over platoon numbers. But if I add their stats together, and prorate it back down to 40 mpg, here's what we get: Mins =40 FG% =52.4% FT% =51.1% PTS= 12.3 Reb =8.7 BLK =2.9 AST =1.4 TO =2.3 Stl =1.4 PF =6.2 That also works out to 86 blocks combined on the year. Silas brings added shotblocking and rebounding while JO puts up the points. Also, they will both be older and more experienced..JO is already scoring more than this of late....it's conceivable that they do better than this as a tandem. Love all of it except the FT%
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 15:52:38 GMT -5
Love all of it except the FT% It is what it is. By the numbers, they'd get to the line about 109 times...with JO taking most of them. JO shot in the 60s in HS I think..maybe he can improve. If you mix Bisping in there the FT% would go up but blocks would go down no matter who you put him in for...although drawn charges would go up. And rebounding would fall if his minutes came at the expense of Silas who is carrying that stat. I'd play him over JO at center first, I think. Silas is the best on the team in 2 important categories, tough to lose that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 16:19:31 GMT -5
I think Patsos really needs to take this into consideration with his rotation next year. He now has real statistical samples of all these guys and generally knows what he's going to get.
He needs to take this stuff into consideration every time he thinks of benching Silas. During the intense moments of the game, a bad screen can take an emotional toll but over the course of a season, we've now seen some of the difference of not having him.
The numbers support it.
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Post by Tony on Feb 24, 2015 16:27:05 GMT -5
I think Patsos really needs to take this into consideration with his rotation next year. He now has real statistical samples of all these guys and generally knows what he's going to get. He needs to take this stuff into consideration every time he thinks of benching Silas. During the intense moments of the game, a bad screen can take an emotional toll but over the course of a season, we've now seen some of the difference of not having him. The numbers support it. Silas will get his time-- my guess about 10 to 12 min a game ( barring injuries) Love the fact we have that insurance with Imoh. Kid plays hard, can block shots, rebound, whats not to like? Javion will be one of if not the best Center in the MAAC next year, between the two of them I am fairly confident Siena will have best Center combo in MAAC, we will be strong at the 4 as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 16:37:21 GMT -5
I think Patsos really needs to take this into consideration with his rotation next year. He now has real statistical samples of all these guys and generally knows what he's going to get. He needs to take this stuff into consideration every time he thinks of benching Silas. During the intense moments of the game, a bad screen can take an emotional toll but over the course of a season, we've now seen some of the difference of not having him. The numbers support it. Silas will get his time-- my guess about 10 to 12 min a game ( barring injuries) Love the fact we have that insurance with Imoh. Kid plays hard, can block shots, rebound, whats not to like? Javion will be one of if not the best Center in the MAAC next year, between the two of them I am fairly confident Siena will have best Center combo in MAAC, we will be strong at the 4 as well. Nitpicking but I think it should be more like 15+ if we seriously want to improve the interior D and rebounding.... If JO improves his rebounding then ok, but so far Silas has proved himself the most formidable guardian of the paint by far...and you need to give him some time to really capture that benefit. Let him put in that mouth guard and get dirty.
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Post by Tony on Feb 24, 2015 16:55:01 GMT -5
Silas will get his time-- my guess about 10 to 12 min a game ( barring injuries) Love the fact we have that insurance with Imoh. Kid plays hard, can block shots, rebound, whats not to like? Javion will be one of if not the best Center in the MAAC next year, between the two of them I am fairly confident Siena will have best Center combo in MAAC, we will be strong at the 4 as well. Nitpicking but I think it should be more like 15+ if we seriously want to improve the interior D and rebounding.... If JO improves his rebounding then ok, but so far Silas has proved himself the most formidable guardian of the paint by far...and you need to give him some time to really capture that benefit. No biggie- we are not that far apart-- love Imoh, but that boat has sailed IMHO-- JO had some rough games early in the year- his last 19 games he is averaging 11 and 6-- with normal improvement, I dont think its too much of a stretch to expect 12 and 7 from JO next year-- hard to put those kind of numbers on the bench- JO has gone from a serviceable big man in the MAAC to one of the better big men in MAAC next season. Imoh has his strength rebounding and shot blocking, but he is a liability on offense, would be nice to see Imoh improve in that area which would definitely increase his chances of getting more time. I will stand by my comment between Jo/imoh Siena will be strongest team in the MAAC next year at the 5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 17:07:53 GMT -5
Nitpicking but I think it should be more like 15+ if we seriously want to improve the interior D and rebounding.... If JO improves his rebounding then ok, but so far Silas has proved himself the most formidable guardian of the paint by far...and you need to give him some time to really capture that benefit. No biggie- we are not that far apart-- love Imoh, but that boat has sailed IMHO-- JO had some rough games early in the year- his last 19 games he is averaging 11 and 6-- with normal improvement, I dont think its too much of a stretch to expect 12 and 7 from JO next year-- hard to put those kind of numbers on the bench- JO has gone from a serviceable big man in the MAAC to one of the better big men in MAAC next season. Imoh has his strength rebounding and shot blocking, but he is a liability on offense, would be nice to see Imoh improve in that area which would definitely increase his chances of getting more time. I will stand by my comment between Jo/imoh Siena will be strongest team in the MAAC next year at the 5 If the other 4 positions on the floor are scoring, it's not such a big liability like it was in the past. But Imoh has averaged EXACTLY 16.8 mpg each of his first 2 years. He'll be a 5th year senior (maybe more like 6th) and a true man among boys after the MAAC graduations. If he is truly back healthy, I say fire up the Imohtron and let him stomp some heads. He's gonna be like Godzilla in Hobbiton from a physicality standpoint. He was taken for granted but I think we all kind of miss that big goofy grin through the mouth piece as the ball flies into the stands. I know I do. He takes pride in his defense....something this team has sorely lacked this year.
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Post by saintsandeagles on Feb 24, 2015 17:09:15 GMT -5
I think Patsos really needs to take this into consideration with his rotation next year. He now has real statistical samples of all these guys and generally knows what he's going to get. He needs to take this stuff into consideration every time he thinks of benching Silas. During the intense moments of the game, a bad screen can take an emotional toll but over the course of a season, we've now seen some of the difference of not having him. The numbers support it. Don't see Jimmy crunching numbers in excel.
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Post by olddave on Feb 24, 2015 17:28:22 GMT -5
JP crunching numbers on excel....lmao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 17:38:56 GMT -5
JP crunching numbers on excel....lmao He should. It's no coincidence the D and rebounding has gone to hell. Between blocks, boards, drawn charges, and general hustle and muscle...losing Silas and Brett has hurt. JO has improved but let's not forget the interior D that actually worked. These 3 guys are a balanced crew that need to work as a group on the inside. And regarding Brett...let's say he averaged conservatively about 1.5 charges per game. Over 30 games, that's like 45 opponent turnovers. That's elite in itself but in a hidden way as it's not a tracked stat. I don't even remember the last one we got...can't underestimate that loss either. Next to maybe Wright's steals...arguably the team's 2 best defensive weapons from last year were taken away this year.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 24, 2015 20:07:01 GMT -5
Our 3 headed center returns and we def missed it this year. Brett and JO will also play some 4 so Imoh will get his mins to protect the rim. After what happened this past season I will never say we have too many at any position
Patsos mentioned how much we missed both Brett and Imoh and folks said he was making excuses. The stats are gathered by the staff and Patsos is fully aware of what they are and what they mean.
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