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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 16:56:41 GMT -5
PPC isn't right and neither are you. He fouled out. He had to play less aggressive defense to try to avoid fouling. That's a problem for the team. That's why the defense sucks. Playing 7 guys and 3 fouling out IS a problem. He fouled out after Andujar stole the ball from him near midcourt and he tried to get it back earning his fifth foul. Lavon was visibly very unhappy at that sequence. It happens and was of no consequence to the game itself, just a kid trying to recover from an error. That's one play. Don't tell me playing with 2,3,4, fouls, didn't effect his, Pooles, or Wright's defense. It use to be used as an excuse for OD playing no D. The team couldn't afford him being in foul trouble.
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Post by indian82 on Jan 31, 2015 18:27:29 GMT -5
I am happy, but just seems like WB could have gotten more than 3 mins. We essentially had 2 guys off the bench. Certainly great for Paige, but JO fouled out with what 10 mins to go & playing 25 mins? And Long was in foul trouble. I just think we could have found more mins for WB, if only to preserve fouls. Long was not in foul trouble. His last 2 fouls came in the last min when the game was over. And that's how he played 34 mins and why WB only played 3...had Long been in foul trouble or fouled out before 18 secs left WB would have played more. Instead Lavon played the 5 when JO was out I guess my whole point was why didn't WB play more? Somebody said he played 18 secs in 1st half and sounds like he just played garbage time in second half. JO fouled out with 10 mins to go. Maybe I'm missing something or beating a dead horse; just seems like he should/could have played more. Yet its been said he's regressed and did not play with fire, all based on less than 3 mins of PT.
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Post by indian82 on Jan 31, 2015 18:31:31 GMT -5
PPC's right, Lavons last two fouls came with under 1:07 left in the game. He fouled when he needed to, to get us the ball. PPC isn't right and neither are you. He fouled out. He had to play less aggressive defense to try to avoid fouling. That's a problem for the team. That's why the defense sucks. Playing 7 guys and 3 fouling out IS a problem. If he had 3 fouls with just 1:07 to go, I don't consider that foul trouble. Without having seen the game, I consider that poor coaching. If they wanted a foul, send somebody else in to do that work. WB had a few to give
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 31, 2015 18:52:40 GMT -5
PPC isn't right and neither are you. He fouled out. He had to play less aggressive defense to try to avoid fouling. That's a problem for the team. That's why the defense sucks. Playing 7 guys and 3 fouling out IS a problem. If he had 3 fouls with just 1:07 to go, I don't consider that foul trouble. Without having seen the game, I consider that poor coaching. If they wanted a foul, send somebody else in to do that work. WB had a few to give Lavon wasnt the only one playing olé defense. That's this teams defensive scheme
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Post by gorvy on Jan 31, 2015 19:06:27 GMT -5
He fouled out after Andujar stole the ball from him near midcourt and he tried to get it back earning his fifth foul. Lavon was visibly very unhappy at that sequence. It happens and was of no consequence to the game itself, just a kid trying to recover from an error. That's one play. Don't tell me playing with 2,3,4, fouls, didn't effect his, Pooles, or Wright's defense. It use to be used as an excuse for OD playing no D. The team couldn't afford him being in foul trouble. Absolutely. The game was over when Poole got his third foul in the first half..., coach your way is peculiar and it doesn't work. We are supposed to just grin and bear it-- wait till next year when there will be no more injuries. Okay.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Feb 1, 2015 10:28:08 GMT -5
I guess my whole point was why didn't WB play more? Somebody said he played 18 secs in 1st half and sounds like he just played garbage time in second half. JO fouled out with 10 mins to go. Maybe I'm missing something or beating a dead horse; just seems like he should/could have played more. Yet its been said he's regressed and did not play with fire, all based on less than 3 mins of PT. I see the point about the last 10 minutes, but I think the issue is probably that WB is more of a stretch 4 and may not really have the toughness yet to play the 5. Long ends up being undersized for that role, but can do it in a pinch. If WB had played more, he probably would have eaten into Paige's minutes. I expect that could happen in a future game and then we can have a thread about why Paige doesn't play more. Next year with JO, Silas, and Bisping, there won't really be a need for WB or Long to play the 5. As for the 18 seconds in the first half: WB subbed in for Long, then subbed out for Long because Siena got possession of the ball on the sidelines. Long is the guy who usually in-bounds those for us. WB just didn't get another chance after that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 6:36:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about Willem Brandwijk too much. Look at JO - it takes players 6'8 or taller a year before they become consistent in the MAAC. Same with Rossiter and OD Anosike. It is a rarity for players of that size to produce most games as freshmen. I've seen enough of WB to think that he will be a pretty good player for us as a sophomore and beyond. As far as the game went - there are some positives to build on. What kills you is why did we not have this effort at home against Fairfield or St. Peter's? Well we just have to build on it and try and get a win against Rider Monday night. JO, OD, and Ryan (especially), came in as young high school grads. WB came from prep. I'd expect him to be slightly more ready, and actually think he is. Jimmy's substitution pattern (or lack thereof) prevents players from building rhythm.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 2, 2015 8:13:42 GMT -5
WB has shown that he is more ready than the average freshman on the offensive end with his shooting and athleticism. But you guys have been around long enough to know how big men earn mins in DI ball. Patsos has to win games and no one cares how when we are. Human nature to pick everything apart when you are losing.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 2, 2015 8:57:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about Willem Brandwijk too much. Look at JO - it takes players 6'8 or taller a year before they become consistent in the MAAC. Same with Rossiter and OD Anosike. It is a rarity for players of that size to produce most games as freshmen. I've seen enough of WB to think that he will be a pretty good player for us as a sophomore and beyond. As far as the game went - there are some positives to build on. What kills you is why did we not have this effort at home against Fairfield or St. Peter's? Well we just have to build on it and try and get a win against Rider Monday night. JO, OD, and Ryan (especially), came in as young high school grads. WB came from prep. I'd expect him to be slightly more ready, and actually think he is. Jimmy's substitution pattern (or lack thereof) prevents players from building rhythm. One problem with that train of thought... WB is from Europe so his one year of prep puts him closer to high school seniors than a comparable American prep player. They need time to adjust to the American game
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 9:02:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about Willem Brandwijk too much. Look at JO - it takes players 6'8 or taller a year before they become consistent in the MAAC. Same with Rossiter and OD Anosike. It is a rarity for players of that size to produce most games as freshmen. I've seen enough of WB to think that he will be a pretty good player for us as a sophomore and beyond. As far as the game went - there are some positives to build on. What kills you is why did we not have this effort at home against Fairfield or St. Peter's? Well we just have to build on it and try and get a win against Rider Monday night. JO, OD, and Ryan (especially), came in as young high school grads. WB came from prep. I'd expect him to be slightly more ready, and actually think he is. Jimmy's substitution pattern (or lack thereof) prevents players from building rhythm. Building rhythm is funny - they aren't in the flow long enough to even detect a downbeat.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 2, 2015 12:56:53 GMT -5
JO, OD, and Ryan (especially), came in as young high school grads. WB came from prep. I'd expect him to be slightly more ready, and actually think he is. Jimmy's substitution pattern (or lack thereof) prevents players from building rhythm. One problem with that train of thought... WB is from Europe so his one year of prep puts him closer to high school seniors than a comparable American prep player. They need time to adjust to the American game WB confirmed what SF posted (needing to get used to the American game). Article said something that he was used to passing the ball as soon as he caught it, but Jimmy wants him to look for his shot first then pass. Sounded like he's still getting used to it. Jimmy appeared to be upset with WB for not diving on the loose ball shortly after he came in. Jimmy may have been trying to teach him a lesson. I'm not saying it's what I would have done, just saying what I think Jimmy did (so don't shoot the messenger).
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