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Post by slim on Jan 29, 2015 7:15:26 GMT -5
Sorry Bino had nothing to do with Lamb neither did clathey, so that's not true. The kid from Bmore is not Marker"s recruit he was already at Marist. She's out of the loop. Maker has some connects in MD I will leave it at that, so does Qpac and Monmouth. Qpac got 2 kids in 2015 that can be All MAAC kids. Monmouth stays in the gym in the DMV/MD area and there going after guys who would be impact guys that can play at higher conferences. Lastly, St. Peter's also has MD ties with an Asst Coach on the staff from MD that also has AAU ties. Yes the MAAC is heavy in the DMV/Bmore which is great. The success of a guy like Zaid Hearst helps draw more kids to the MAAC same with Marquise Wright. Anyway, Lamb had taken two other officials last fall before the HS season started but didn't commit , so one of the schools took someone at his position. The other was still involved. He was due to visit FL International from Conf USA who has new Coach that took Norfolk St to the NCAA tourney. Then there was one lower level A10 involved but the coach could be fired so that wasn't the best spot. Marker"s D3 connects will help him big time. This whole business is relationships. Marist is recruiting few other BMore/DMV kids right now. There also looking at a pretty good kid from upstate NY, and I hear he may commit. Slim, I think many of us believed that our staff, with three of the four coaches having coached in Baltimore and the fourth and the DOBO having played there, gave Siena a clear recruiting advantage in the DMV relative to the rest of the MAAC. It sounds like that may not be as true as we had thought. Based on what you know, how would you rank the staffs in terms of their ability to recruit in the DMV? Knick- When your asking to rank the staff in DMV do you mean against other MAAC schools? Also, Siena has strong presence in the Bmore/DMV area. I think Wright/Long were great , but Wolfe/ White didn't workout so it will be intersting to see how shakes out going forward. They did get Fisher/ Wormley and seem to be involved with Nico. I still say there in good shape, but winning always help, and losing hurts in recruiting. Siena has lot to sell tradition, great fan base, nice arena, solid academics, so they should get there fair share kids. I'm super impressed with Qpac they have a lot to offer as well. Plus I believe the kids there going after are difference makers from day1. Moore needs get Qpac to the NCAA dance then the program would take huge jump. Monmouth is similar winning is helping them, and they built threw transfers now going after HS kids. I wouldn't be shocked if kids start going there. Marist has Marker seems like he can recruit and Coach, but kind of early to tell, but there headed in the right direction. Fairfield did have presence, but not sure as of late because no local kids that have went there have made an impact. Rider recruits the area as well I like there coaches, but they haven't really added a lot local kids. St. Peter's as well has Asst Coach from MD area on staff, but it's tough for them case of there facilities, but the asst is well tied in with AAU/HS programs. That's my 2 cent from the MAAC schools and Coaches I have dealt with.
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Post by greenblood on Jan 29, 2015 7:29:36 GMT -5
The white elephant in the recruiting room is figuring out if more DMV will help or hurt the team off the court at this point, IMHO.
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Post by slim on Jan 29, 2015 7:37:29 GMT -5
The white elephant in the recruiting room is figuring out if more DMV will help or hurt the team off the court at this point, IMHO. I think your post answers that question loud and clear. Everything that happens at Siena good and bad is made public in Bmore/DMV. Some stuff should be kept in house. I know of few situations threw out the MAAC this year at other programs, but it's kept close in house not put out to the general public.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 29, 2015 8:10:37 GMT -5
... I'm super impressed with Qpac they have a lot to offer as well. Plus I believe the kids there going after are difference makers from day1. Moore needs get Qpac to the NCAA dance then the program would take huge jump. Monmouth is similar winning is helping them, and they built threw transfers now going after HS kids. I wouldn't be shocked if kids start going there. ... That's my 2 cent from the MAAC schools and Coaches I have dealt with. you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 8:28:23 GMT -5
... I'm super impressed with Qpac they have a lot to offer as well. Plus I believe the kids there going after are difference makers from day1. Moore needs get Qpac to the NCAA dance then the program would take huge jump. Monmouth is similar winning is helping them, and they built threw transfers now going after HS kids. I wouldn't be shocked if kids start going there. ... That's my 2 cent from the MAAC schools and Coaches I have dealt with. you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? Maybe best left to a pm
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 29, 2015 8:39:22 GMT -5
you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? Maybe best left to a pm i havent said anything in my post that hasnt been mentioned in some form or fashion publicly here. I figured Slim, who appears to be in the thick of it down there and openly identified Quinny and Monmouth as looking at difference makers can share with us if he has felt this current Siena staff is also pushing hard for those same (all be it difference players) quality recruits
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 8:45:59 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Slims response to the question. Just heading off the maelstrom that it will incur.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:10:00 GMT -5
I was thinking more of Slims response to the question. Just heading off the maelstrom that it will incur. It is almost impossible to head off the inevitable.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 29, 2015 9:31:23 GMT -5
... I'm super impressed with Qpac they have a lot to offer as well. Plus I believe the kids there going after are difference makers from day1. Moore needs get Qpac to the NCAA dance then the program would take huge jump. Monmouth is similar winning is helping them, and they built threw transfers now going after HS kids. I wouldn't be shocked if kids start going there. ... That's my 2 cent from the MAAC schools and Coaches I have dealt with. you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? EVERY MAAC team wants to sign A-10/Big East level recruit, but unless you have an unusual recruiting advantage (close to home, family friend on your staff etc....) with a certain kids situation, it's not happeneing. It's actually a waste of recruiting dollars, time and energy. With that, the past two classes, I really like the WB and Fisher signings, but not a fan of the Paige/Wormley duo. We could have done a lot better there I feel. The type of back-up PG I would have gone after would be a heady, great shooter, that could run the point for 10 min a game, and contribute when the opposition plays zone against us. THEN, in 'Quis senior year, I'd get a big time PG that would start, and the junior PG remains, mentor/back-up for the last two years he's here. Page is built like a FB player. Great if he's 6'7", but not good when he's a 6'4" wing. Heavy legs. We need length, quickness and the ability to score off the bounce in our future wings.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 29, 2015 11:03:29 GMT -5
you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? EVERY MAAC team wants to sign A-10/Big East level recruit, but unless you have an unusual recruiting advantage (close to home, family friend on your staff etc....) with a certain kids situation, it's not happeneing. It's actually a waste of recruiting dollars, time and energy. With that, the past two classes, I really like the WB and Fisher signings, but not a fan of the Paige/Wormley duo. We could have done a lot better there I feel. The type of back-up PG I would have gone after would be a heady, great shooter, that could run the point for 10 min a game, and contribute when the opposition plays zone against us. THEN, in 'Quis senior year, I'd get a big time PG that would start, and the junior PG remains, mentor/back-up for the last two years he's here. Page is built like a FB player. Great if he's 6'7", but not good when he's a 6'4" wing. Heavy legs. We need length, quickness and the ability to score off the bounce in our future wings. you aren't signing those kids (a10) if you aren't even recruiting them. Poole Anosike Jackson Basabe Burdine Wignot Franklin Rossiter Ubiles Griffin Mike Haddix Antoine Jordan Kojo Mensah Jack McClinton Al Fisher Tommy Mitchell Justin Miller Paul Williams Dwayne Archbold James Clinton and Im sure Im missing others, are all players who Siena had some legit MAAC+Higher competition for. As Ive said... it just seems like the past 5 years we've gone astray. Poole was the last and he signed with McCaffrey ... so a ten year window from 2000 on, Siena battled with good competition for recruits. The past 5 years its been all about NEC AE type competition.
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Post by slim on Jan 29, 2015 11:07:48 GMT -5
... I'm super impressed with Qpac they have a lot to offer as well. Plus I believe the kids there going after are difference makers from day1. Moore needs get Qpac to the NCAA dance then the program would take huge jump. Monmouth is similar winning is helping them, and they built threw transfers now going after HS kids. I wouldn't be shocked if kids start going there. ... That's my 2 cent from the MAAC schools and Coaches I have dealt with. you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? Saintfan- Few thoughts and examples I don't pay a lot attention to offers and who's recruiting kid. I look more at the kids talent, character, work ethic. Few examples one being Marquise Wright didn't have a lot of offers, and easily could play in the A10. There's guys such a Pankey, Lawrence who went to HM schools transferred down and still are avg players in the MAAC. On the other hand you have guys like Zaid Hearst, Ousmane Drame who came from the NEC, but are ALL MAAC players and prob top 5-10 players in the MAAC. I just don't believe who's recruiting kid means a lot to be honest. There's also a lot fake offers throwing out as well.
As far as Siena or any other program I say recruit the kids that fit your style of play. Siena and Pastos love to trap and run, so he should have a very fast and athletic team, but he doesn't. I think that's where a lot of there struggles on the defensive side of the ball come from. The players can't play the style of play Pastos is used to playing. If you take say VCU he recruits kids that fit his style of play same with Wisconsin. I will go down to the mid major level I believe Iona, Manhattan, Qpac do as well. I will say right now it's a personnel issue with Siena. Lastly, player development is the biggest thing IMO from Freshman- Senior year do guys get better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 11:43:51 GMT -5
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 29, 2015 11:44:44 GMT -5
you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? Hoopjunkie we need to stop saying bad things about A/E and Nec kids because we got smacked by vermont and albany hate to say it.. We need high level players but don't knock conferences that have beat us because you lose to them doesn't mean it should be acceptable. Vermont is a tough program but not overwhelming talent wise. UA will always get up for Siena regardless... and their talent is top of the AE at this point. Two programs that are somewhat respectable ... but there is a reason that the AE is ranked as low as it is. And how often are we battling Vermont and Albany for recruits these days? Wormley - confirmed offers from Florida Gulf Coast, Norfolk State and Siena Fisher - confirmed offers from Siena and Loyola Paige - one offer from Siena Brandwijk - don't know the level of interest from GW but Goerge Washington, Buffalo, Binghamton, U Albany, Deleware, South Alabama, Campbell, Hofstra, Rider, LIU Brooklyn, Iona, Bryant, and New Hampshire. Long - Loyola Wright - Loyola and had contacted Fairfield prior to committing to Siena following Patsos departure White - Loyola Wolfe - Loyola Jiggets - Siena, Albany, UMBC, Mt St Marys, Jacksonville, Fairleigh Dickinson Hymes - Siena, High Point Oliver - “He has heard from Texas, Colorado, Oregon, Miami, Miami of Ohio, Portland and more,” said Carroll. “Schools that have come to see him also have a range from Boston College, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, Fairfield, Rhode Island, La Salle, and more. He has over a dozen offers from Hofstra, Siena, Delaware, Hartford, UC-Irvine, UC-Riverside, Bradley and more.” - I believe much of his exposure was people being there to see his team. I also believe his knee inuries have hindered his ability. Bisping - Lehigh (Pa.) and Southern Illinois-Edwardsville Audu - ? Siena Hopper - Siena Beard - St Francis, Siena Gomis/Silas - ? teams had interest but no one jumped but Siena because they both were in danger of losing major eligibility Burdine had higher interest the likes of Richmond, Northeastern, St joes. and I think he would've helped this team. Yet again a McCaffrey recruit. obviously going back further you see the higher recruits.
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Post by hooligan on Jan 29, 2015 11:47:11 GMT -5
Slim, Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this board. Your insight is fresh and insightful. Something that we lack around here sometimes (including myself). So from your conversations with players and parents why is Siena not viewed as the top pick in the MAAC for kids looking to play ball? I know you referenced above how Wolfe not working out didn't help, but is it a perceived lack of opportunity for kids? Jimmy's personality? Lack of aggressive recruiting? This boards bashing of certain players? Is there one or two things that are dragging us down? Or are we really just getting out worked by the other MAAC schools?
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 29, 2015 11:51:37 GMT -5
you see, this is the concern as we observe the recruiting efforts thus far for Siena. Many of the kids Patsos team goes after are at or near the NEC/AE schools. Mitch looked at some bigger names but often wound up on his C and D list. Patsos seems to be starting with the B and C lists of previous coaches here at Siena. Or at least he appears to be trying to find a sleeper in nearly every recruit. That being said... he did get Fisher who seemed like a MAAC or higher kid at least from the rankings. Wormley falls into the "sleeper" category. In my opinion you've got to be locking horns with some A10 schools, some lower level big east schools ... and then you can also be involved with kids who are obvious for this level and maybe once in a while grab a sleeper type that seems to be falling to the NEC AE level. We seem to be the reverse of this philosophy right now. Most of the kids I would like to see recruited should be possible A10 level recruits. This staff just doesn't seem to bother. your thoughts, slim? Saintfan- Few thoughts and examples I don't pay a lot attention to offers and who's recruiting kid. I look more at the kids talent, character, work ethic. Few examples one being Marquise Wright didn't have a lot of offers, and easily could play in the A10. There's guys such a Pankey, Lawrence who went to HM schools transferred down and still are avg players in the MAAC. On the other hand you have guys like Zaid Hearst, Ousmane Drame who came from the NEC, but are ALL MAAC players and prob top 5-10 players in the MAAC. I just don't believe who's recruiting kid means a lot to be honest. There's also a lot fake offers throwing out as well.
As far as Siena or any other program I say recruit the kids that fit your style of play. Siena and Pastos love to trap and run, so he should have a very fast and athletic team, but he doesn't. I think that's where a lot of there struggles on the defensive side of the ball come from. The players can't play the style of play Pastos is used to playing. If you take say VCU he recruits kids that fit his style of play same with Wisconsin. I will go down to the mid major level I believe Iona, Manhattan, Qpac do as well. I will say right now it's a personnel issue with Siena. Lastly, player development is the biggest thing IMO from Freshman- Senior year do guys get better.
I understand WHO is recruiting them isn't the end all be all each and every time... but kids that are being recruited heavily by solid mids and higher generally pan out well. Siena, as I posted above has been scrounging for unearthed gems. I do agree on Wright and knew he was the most integral signing of any when Patsos came in. (I know PPC hates hearing that) I COMPLETELY agree on personnel issues and Siena. ive been saying from day one ... the team isn't athletic nor fast enough to play this style. I then go look and see who Siena has been battling in the recruiting trenches against and it is pretty revealing. Fisher is a nice recruit but Im afraid he isn't going to help in the areas that are lacking... outside of perhaps toughness. Wormley... I really don't know much about. I hear hes a great defender. Outside of that, Siena really needs offense to go along with athletic/quick defenders
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