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Post by Tony on Jan 28, 2015 6:18:40 GMT -5
People need to relax, and this Jimmy can’t coach at all is bunk. Yeah people are upset, yeah it’s been a long road,. I don’t know how many times we have to go over this, Jimmy inherited a mess and we have had massive injuries this year. The current team isn’t the team we were supposed to have. John Wooden couldn't coach this bunch to MAAC title, just not enough talent. What is Jimmy suppose to say at presser they are flat out better- the margin for error for these kids is razor thin. As for no growth—are you crazy?? What did you expect? No Imoh, no Brett, no Cole, Lavon missed 4 games and still isn’t 100% Poole misses 2 games and still isn’t anywhere near 100- give it a break. With all those injuries you seriously expected growth of team- as for players- pay attention to JO- WB is coming on strong – both will pay huge dividends as soon as next year
Having said that the jury is still out on Jimmy, He deserves some culpability for not properly vetting Patrick Cole and I have some serious questions about his recruiting last year. Having said all that we are nowhere near as bad a shape as some of you suggest – get Imoh and Brett back land two more impact players to an already good 2 signed and we are off to races, I also realize Jimmy’s mouth and actions are easier to stomach when we are winning. Gets old when you are losing. Keep the faith till spring, let’s see how recruiting goes and what if any changes in the staff – but these rants by Misspractice and a few others after every loss is extremely old- same unsubstantiated crap from a bitter poster who isn't a practice insider anymore ( and yeah I know you have denied that’s the case for some time now) Sorry not buying it, you kissed Mitch’s ass for 3 years – despite the overwhelming evidence of what he was doing to our program- we as a fan base are still paying the price for what Mitch did to this program- by next year the stench from Mitch should be sufficiently removed from the program. If you are unhappy with our current situation look no further than your boy Mitch he deserves as much or more "blame" than current coach
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 7:29:09 GMT -5
Ok, I get it - forever tainted by my relationship with Mitch. True Wooden wouldn't get a MAAC bid with the team we have now - debatable if you gave him the team we started with at UMass (no Imoh). We played well there and then had Vermont at home - again at almost full strength (no Imoh) - and got handled. Injuries have impacted and continue to impact us, no disagreement there. With all those unplanned, unforseen available minutes, have you seen improvement in the remaining players? I'm not talking about elevation to either 3rd team contention or weekly MAAC honors - just improvement or, at the least maintaining prior levels. Do you see any confidence building? I see Oliver and White regressing and the only reason I can come up with is the coaching style employed, and we see only a fraction of it. Wolfe's departure represented a total waste of two year's of a scholarship. One + year for Cole's ship. The problems with Cole undiscovered/unseen until well into this year! How does any coach let that happen? I believe this team can play consistently much better than it does. We've seen it. I don't give credit to the other team when it appears the kids just came in flat and the coach offers that as THE reason! In the real world, when someone takes the responsibility for whatever, they usually take some form of corrective action to try and remedy the situation. Maybe you guys see that happening - I don't - share what you see that changes game to game or in-game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 7:39:43 GMT -5
I feel like im in the jury box. Keep up the arguments boys, enlightening to hear both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 7:48:37 GMT -5
Tony, this would be a good time to define at what point in a coach's career criticism is allowed - how long should the honeymoon be? I know you and Mitch didn't even have a one-night stand - that's one extreme. Now, in his second year I and others that go unnamed are being told to relax and give the guy a chance. Fair enough - let us know when it is acceptable to point out the obvious. I agree with Gorvy re the need to complain and want to add that it is no fun being a critic - the Patsos Posse is out there waiting to pounce and defend. As to the criticism that I keep saying the same stuff (hopefully with different words) and need to shut up, if we collected $10 for every time you pointed out Mitch's "consecutive (NOT)" losing record we'd have enough money to buy the coach out - which I note is about the only reason you have to tell us all to relax and WAIT!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 8:37:57 GMT -5
I feel like im in the jury box. Keep up the arguments boys, enlightening to hear both sides. If the logic doesn't fit, you must acquit!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 28, 2015 13:18:44 GMT -5
The obvious question is this: How many Siena fans were happy with Jimmy, and where the program was going last April? If it's less than 99%, I'd be surprised.
This year, we lose our SR center before the first game. Our best big man, by far, played 6 games, and even in those he was recovering from mono, so his season was a complete wash. A transfer that most felt was the most talented kid on the team and was solidly in as the 6th man, self destructs and leaves the team.
How many teams could go thru this and not feel it? Those things aren't changing. Season has been screwed for awhile, and the Silas injury was the start of it. Yeah, I wish Paige was more like Ubiles and could step in and get us excited, but he's not. JP does need a couple impact guys this year though, and I'm holding off complaining until I see the rest of the '15 class.
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Post by MTS on Jan 28, 2015 13:26:31 GMT -5
Tony, this would be a good time to define at what point in a coach's career criticism is allowed - how long should the honeymoon be? I know you and Mitch didn't even have a one-night stand - that's one extreme. Now, in his second year I and others that go unnamed are being told to relax and give the guy a chance. Fair enough - let us know when it is acceptable to point out the obvious. I agree with Gorvy re the need to complain and want to add that it is no fun being a critic - the Patsos Posse is out there waiting to pounce and defend. As to the criticism that I keep saying the same stuff (hopefully with different words) and need to shut up, if we collected $10 for every time you pointed out Mitch's "consecutive (NOT)" losing record we'd have enough money to buy the coach out - which I note is about the only reason you have to tell us all to relax and WAIT! Mitch didn't get as long of a leash for a couple of reasons: -Took over one of the best mid-major programs in the country. Yes the Big 3 had graduated but there was plenty of talent to be a good team. On the other hand Jimmy took over a program in potentially the worst shape it has EVER been in. -Mitch has little to no success as a HC ... all those losing years at Fairfield mattered. Jimmy has won 67 games the previous 3 years All of that said - the honeymoon is over if he don't contend for the MAAC championship next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 14:20:39 GMT -5
I do agree that there are differences between the two: Mitch couldn't start a sentence while Jimmy doesn't know how to end one!
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 28, 2015 14:28:58 GMT -5
I do agree that there are differences between the two: Mitch couldn't start a sentence while Jimmy doesn't know how to end one! That is so freaking perfect!
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Post by glen on Jan 28, 2015 14:29:47 GMT -5
HJ is spot on. This year was F*d from day 1. Brett was never healthy even when he was playing. Losing your starting front court (esp at mid-major) is devastating. Having other key starters (Poole/Long) and your expected 6th man out pretty much nails the coffin. The fact that we have Willem and Javion as contributors is a miracle in itself. We're all disappointed with the W/L and and JP gives people plenty of ammo to boot.
I still think JP should get another year hassle free. He needs to bring in some ready-to-go guys and be contending for a title (with no -35 pt games) by the end of the year though. I'm still debating as to whether I'll re-up my tix. It would kill me not to re-up but if we have another season like this I'm going to be pissed - injuries or not.
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Post by musicman on Jan 28, 2015 14:45:43 GMT -5
I do agree that there are differences between the two: Mitch couldn't start a sentence while Jimmy doesn't know how to end one! No matter which side of the fence you lean on, you have to love that one-liner! Good one MP.
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Post by musicman on Jan 28, 2015 14:56:14 GMT -5
The obvious question is this: How many Siena fans were happy with Jimmy, and where the program was going last April? If it's less than 99%, I'd be surprised. This year, we lose our SR center before the first game. Our best big man, by far, played 6 games, and even in those he was recovering from mono, so his season was a complete wash. A transfer that most felt was the most talented kid on the team and was solidly in as the 6th man, self destructs and leaves the team. How many teams could go thru this and not feel it? Those things aren't changing. Season has been screwed for awhile, and the Silas injury was the start of it. Yeah, I wish Paige was more like Ubiles and could step in and get us excited, but he's not. JP does need a couple impact guys this year though, and I'm holding off complaining until I see the rest of the '15 class. Every word said here rings true in my ears. Perfectly said! I think most of us have the exact same sentiments about our present state of affairs. Those fans that are more critical, well, I can understand your frustrations. And as much as I like Jimmy (in many ways), it's sometimes hard to understand some of the things he says or does for a guy as smart as he is.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 28, 2015 15:33:27 GMT -5
I do agree that there are differences between the two: Mitch couldn't start a sentence while Jimmy doesn't know how to end one! Might be your best work! lol
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Post by billmurray on Jan 28, 2015 16:58:20 GMT -5
The obvious question is this: How many Siena fans were happy with Jimmy, and where the program was going last April? If it's less than 99%, I'd be surprised. This year, we lose our SR center before the first game. Our best big man, by far, played 6 games, and even in those he was recovering from mono, so his season was a complete wash. A transfer that most felt was the most talented kid on the team and was solidly in as the 6th man, self destructs and leaves the team. How many teams could go thru this and not feel it? Those things aren't changing. Season has been screwed for awhile, and the Silas injury was the start of it. Yeah, I wish Paige was more like Ubiles and could step in and get us excited, but he's not. JP does need a couple impact guys this year though, and I'm holding off complaining until I see the rest of the '15 class. Every word said here rings true in my ears. Perfectly said! I think most of us have the exact same sentiments about our present state of affairs. Those fans that are more critical, well, I can understand your frustrations. And as much as I like Jimmy (in many ways), it's sometimes hard to understand some of the things he says or does for a guy as smart as he is. HJ is 100% spot on on this one. Patsos is Patsos, he is honest to a fault and has not filter. That is who he is and he is not likely to change. For those who hate him I suggest taking a break for a while, because I don't see him leaving for a while. Why continue to frustrate yourselves. Take a break, hope for the best and when things turn around at least you will have winning to temper your anger. ;-)
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Post by SienaMan88 on Jan 30, 2015 0:29:51 GMT -5
I'm still a Jimmy guy. Love his passion most times, but admit hard to take when the losses pile up. Tone it down just a bit taking the blame every time the kids don't play with passion and energy. Yeah we get it. Coach assumes all responsibility and relieves the kids of any pressure. Okay. Yeah we get it.
I'm banking that last year was not an aberration. How the season ended with the renewed excitement in year #1 has to account for some serious good-will in my book. JP did not all of a sudden forget how to coach or lose touch with these exact same kids from last year. I'm in the camp that losing Bisping and Imoh for the entire season, along with the other injuries and player defections, were just too much to keep the ship afloat game in and game out. Great to see JO progress nicely as a soph, and WB doing what he can as a raw frosh, but losing our upperclassmen big men Brett and Imoh just changed the whole dynamics on defense down low.
Long live JP and love live our Saints!
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