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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 11:13:58 GMT -5
Probably piling on here but I just watched the post game presser and .... At one point Jimmy says "if we get Poole and Lavon back we might be ok?" - he's saying it in a questioning tone to Marquis! Not sure what leadership courses/seminars he may have taken but I guarantee no one would suggest that tactic? The man is clearly over his head with no clue how to fix it.
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Post by MTS on Jan 17, 2015 11:16:59 GMT -5
Coaching staff needs to have a MAJOR shake-up (need a couple of Philly/South Jersey/NYC guys) and simply we need more talent. All due respect to the current staff but Greg Manning is the only coach I would retain.
Jimmy is not an elite coach but he is a good enough coach to win. The problem is he has to have the players. All coaches need players but particularly if you aren't a strong Xs and Os coach you need more talent.
Siena needs two impact guys next year at a minimum - and if a third spot opens up a talented graduate transfer or JUCO would be nice.
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Post by Papi on Jan 17, 2015 12:00:02 GMT -5
Why does it matter where Siena gets guys from? Get players period, who cares where they're from.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 17, 2015 12:05:41 GMT -5
Coaching staff needs to have a MAJOR shake-up (need a couple of Philly/South Jersey/NYC guys) and simply we need more talent. All due respect to the current staff but Greg Manning is the only coach I would retain. Jimmy is not an elite coach but he is a good enough coach to win. The problem is he has to have the players. All coaches need players but particularly if you aren't a strong Xs and Os coach you need more talent. Siena needs two impact guys next year at a minimum - and if a third spot opens up a talented graduate transfer or JUCO would be nice. LOL, he's not even a good coach. I don't care what kind of talent you have if you can't manage a game or coach um up you're hosed .. See Lanier. If you watch him closely & know anything about the game you can tell he's not a good coach it's not hard to see.
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Post by easymoney on Jan 17, 2015 12:10:44 GMT -5
Jimmy will get his third year . . . after that the jury is out . . . Siena needs a better then decent basketball program to fill the classrooms . . . after each NCAA appearance applications went up from the previous year . . . administration will take the necessary steps . . . NOTE: Siena did not fill its' freshman class this year - a byproduct of the Mitch era How far were they off ?
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Post by yankee on Jan 17, 2015 12:16:02 GMT -5
Coaching staff needs to have a MAJOR shake-up (need a couple of Philly/South Jersey/NYC guys) and simply we need more talent. All due respect to the current staff but Greg Manning is the only coach I would retain. Jimmy is not an elite coach but he is a good enough coach to win. The problem is he has to have the players. All coaches need players but particularly if you aren't a strong Xs and Os coach you need more talent. Siena needs two impact guys next year at a minimum - and if a third spot opens up a talented graduate transfer or JUCO would be nice. MTS, you said, "no disrespect to the current staff", and then proceeded to say all the other assistants should be canned and that Patsos is horrible at X's and O's, which is a big portion of coaching:).
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Post by yankee on Jan 17, 2015 12:17:34 GMT -5
Why does it matter where Siena gets guys from? Get players period, who cares where there from. As an outsider looking in, it seems Patsos and company almost exclusively recruit the Baltimore area. Think about how many colleges are in the surrounding area. Think about the number of schools that Siena would be competing with in that area. Area needs to expand, that simple.
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Post by musicman on Jan 17, 2015 12:36:52 GMT -5
Oh, yes, quite the agenda, Lmao. Javion was the starting center last year, before his injury. He is playing more and scoring more this year, his rebounds per minute are about the same, his blocks per minute are down. If you consider that "among the most improved in the MAAC", I'd say it's obvious who has an agenda. Dude give it up JO shot 31% from the floor, 42% from free throw line, 1.9 PPG,1.8 RPG and blocked .7 blocks, compared to this years 55% from the floor, 54% from free throw line, 8.2 PPG,4.1 RPG and blocked 1.2 blocks Only in your world are those numbers the same, and if I used the last month's numbers the jump would be even better- I think JO is one of the few bright spots of this entire season. Watching him on offense and particularly finishing, he looks like a much more mature player this year. I thought WB was going to develop much quicker than he has but Wolfe was a pussy on the boards compared to WB. I still think he is going to be an excellent player for us down the line.
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 17, 2015 12:46:22 GMT -5
Dude give it up JO shot 31% from the floor, 42% from free throw line, 1.9 PPG,1.8 RPG and blocked .7 blocks, compared to this years 55% from the floor, 54% from free throw line, 8.2 PPG,4.1 RPG and blocked 1.2 blocks Only in your world are those numbers the same, and if I used the last month's numbers the jump would be even better- I think JO is one of the few bright spots of this entire season. Watching him on offense and particularly finishing, he looks like a much more mature player this year. I thought WB was going to develop much quicker than he has but Wolfe was a pussy on the boards compared to WB. I still think he is going to be an excellent player for us down the line. If you look at rossiter as a freshman and wb I think talent level favors wb - so I'm very optimistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 12:53:26 GMT -5
Oh, yes, quite the agenda, Lmao. Javion was the starting center last year, before his injury. He is playing more and scoring more this year, his rebounds per minute are about the same, his blocks per minute are down. If you consider that "among the most improved in the MAAC", I'd say it's obvious who has an agenda. Dude give it up JO shot 31% from the floor, 42% from free throw line, 1.9 PPG,1.8 RPG and blocked .7 blocks, compared to this years 55% from the floor, 54% from free throw line, 8.2 PPG,4.1 RPG and blocked 1.2 blocks Only in your world are those numbers the same, and if I used the last month's numbers the jump would be even better- 1) I never said the numbers are the same 2) the number you forgot is minutes, which have more than doubled. But that wouldn't fit your agenda. Lmao.
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Post by siena12077 on Jan 17, 2015 13:01:52 GMT -5
Jimmy needs to adjust his coaching style and learn to recruit at a higher level. Mispractice hit the nail on the head. Jimmys constant yelling at his players is getting, no has gotten old. It doesn't suprise me at all that some of the players shut him out during the timeouts because instead of "coaching" he's chastizing! and yes if I was a parent of a prospect and I saw Jimmy in action during a game I'd be encouraging my son to look elswhere. OK, its only been two years but Jimmy's recuriting is suspect. Year one he gets JO (really Mitch recruited him) Wright, White, Wolfe and Long. Two out of five are a bust. Year two he gets WB, Paige and Gottfried? He has WB and Paige so afraid of making a mistake they are regressing instead of progressing! Giving him the benefit of the doubt I'm giving him a 1 1/2 out of three in recruitng year two. He also needs to get his head out of B'More and also look elswhere, maybe in his own backyard for starters. I've seen Stire play a couple of times and he's ahead of Sienas freshman recruits hands down. I'm not saying Stire would have been an answer but he has to give some of these Section two kids a look. If he misses the boat in recruiting this year (we need at least two impact players/scorers) the end of his coaching tenure at Siena can't come soon enough for me. Expectations, Jimmy needs to be raising them not lowering them. This is Siena not Loyola. The fanbase expects a contender not a pretender. He has more money and resources to work with than any other MAAC coach so these "expectations" are are not unrealistic. A lot of good stuff here, except about his coaching style. Patsos has been like that his entire coaching career, maybe even a little more mellow now. I don't think him coming to little Siena is going to change that now. I agree it isn't my favorite but that is the reality with this coach and everyone, AD included, knew that going into this tenure. So that is not acceptable to be part of the problem now. I understand that he was going to have a lot of misses so far, he had to essentially fill a roster on short notice. Obviously he worked on getting his guys wright and long in first, and tried to keep JO. Then it was about filling a roster after that
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Post by Tony on Jan 17, 2015 13:14:31 GMT -5
I never said the numbers are the same 2) the number you forgot is minutes, which have more than doubled. But that wouldn't fit your agenda. Lmao. Translation - I forgot to add JO on improved player list and Tony kicked my ass ( again)
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Post by gorvy on Jan 17, 2015 13:33:52 GMT -5
Coaching staff needs to have a MAJOR shake-up (need a couple of Philly/South Jersey/NYC guys) and simply we need more talent. All due respect to the current staff but Greg Manning is the only coach I would retain. Jimmy is not an elite coach but he is a good enough coach to win. The problem is he has to have the players. All coaches need players but particularly if you aren't a strong Xs and Os coach you need more talent. Siena needs two impact guys next year at a minimum - and if a third spot opens up a talented graduate transfer or JUCO would be nice. MTS, you said, "no disrespect to the current staff", and then proceeded to say all the other assistants should be canned and that Patsos is horrible at X's and O's, which is a big portion of coaching:). He tespectfully thinks they should all be capped
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Post by MTS on Jan 17, 2015 13:42:03 GMT -5
Coaching staff needs to have a MAJOR shake-up (need a couple of Philly/South Jersey/NYC guys) and simply we need more talent. All due respect to the current staff but Greg Manning is the only coach I would retain. Jimmy is not an elite coach but he is a good enough coach to win. The problem is he has to have the players. All coaches need players but particularly if you aren't a strong Xs and Os coach you need more talent. Siena needs two impact guys next year at a minimum - and if a third spot opens up a talented graduate transfer or JUCO would be nice. MTS, you said, "no disrespect to the current staff", and then proceeded to say all the other assistants should be canned and that Patsos is horrible at X's and O's, which is a big portion of coaching:). Where did I say Patsos is "horrible" at X's and O's?? I merely said that he wasn't strong at it doesn't mean that he is horrible. Fran won simply because he had great players. Now he was a better strategic coach then Jimmy is but that doesn't mean Jimmy can't be very good. But the bottom line is this coaching staff isn't really doing him many favors. I think Manning has potential but after that I think there is a lot of concerns. I'd like to see Jimmy hire a former head coach as an assistant who has recruiting connections where Siena has thrived in Philadelphia and South Jersey.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 17, 2015 13:42:03 GMT -5
Jimmy needs to adjust his coaching style and learn to recruit at a higher level. Mispractice hit the nail on the head. Jimmys constant yelling at his players is getting, no has gotten old. It doesn't suprise me at all that some of the players shut him out during the timeouts because instead of "coaching" he's chastizing! and yes if I was a parent of a prospect and I saw Jimmy in action during a game I'd be encouraging my A lot of good stuff here, except about his coaching style. Patsos has been like that his entire coaching career, maybe even a little more mellow now. I don't think him coming to little Siena is going to change that now. I agree it isn't my favorite but that is the reality with this coach and everyone, AD included, knew that going into this tenure. So that is not acceptable to be part of the problem now. I understand that he was going to have a lot of misses so far, he had to essentially fill a roster on short notice. Obviously he worked on getting his guys wright and long in first, and tried to keep JO. Then it was about filling a roster after that I'm not sure about this. One of the things us doubters were told was that his shenanigans wouldn't be an issue here. So if it is an issue than it is defensively a problem.
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