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Post by gorvy on Jan 16, 2015 18:49:37 GMT -5
The thing is unlike some people I was satisfied with last season. Winning the Cbi was fun and the losing record was expected. I would be okay with a 3-4 year plan assuming next year is the third year. The thing that irked me the most was the cole situation. Obviously I have no say but I argued and argued against taking him but was told the wait and headaches would be worth it. That's what makes it harder to let it go. It doesn't seem like recruiting is going well. I want to stay positive but it is hard. Recruiting is a funny thing. Even Fran had misses. Jimmy's were identified quick & addressed. That's the important thing. That is more than a swing and a miss--- that was a strikeout that set the rebuild back two years. You can't compare the recruiting to Fran when the results aren't even close. We don't know if the recruiting has been addressed given the short roster, open scholarships and unclear direction. I didn't want to go there but it has been hinted that there are more issues than just the recruiting. I don't care how he gets there as long as it is in a reasonable timeframe and a clean program is run (so far so good).
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Post by Tony on Jan 16, 2015 18:49:59 GMT -5
I’m willing to give Jimmy some slack- the injuries derailed this year. I don’t think we would have had enough talent to win the MAAC, but we would have been in the mix. I am however concerned about his recruiting, I feel the staff was lazy in their recruiting last year and we are paying the price now. I have said this several times, the next two ships will define jimmy’s regime. I know some of you don’t want to hear this, but we have no outside shooting coming back. If the staff signs two more role players we are looking at .500 or slightly better record next year. We need a shooter and we need to get quicker and more athletic – he signs two impact players and we are off to races. I’m willing to wait and see how recruiting this spring goes
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Post by gorvy on Jan 16, 2015 18:51:18 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you are saying but I will surprise you by not agreeing about opening the practices. That is really a coach's decision and I was always surprised that we were allowed to watch some of the goings on. I was always uncomfortable to see a kid getting reamed, not only in front of his teammates but also in front of his fans. Obviously it didn't bother them anywhere near as much as it did me. Patsos needs to come across a little less like 'it's all about me' and more about what the team needs to work on without throwing kids under the bus. We know Ryan is in a slump, that Maurice misses layups, that Jimmy Paige may not know what to do on defense - we don't need to hear it as the reason we lost. The main point is to keep the big supporters happy. If not the practices than in some other way. I don't want to keep bringing up the "F" word but Fran used to give pre game speeches to the premium seat holders -- is this still being done?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 19:01:52 GMT -5
No clue. I'm not in the 1%'ers!, LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 6:20:26 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you are saying but I will surprise you by not agreeing about opening the practices. That is really a coach's decision and I was always surprised that we were allowed to watch some of the goings on. I was always uncomfortable to see a kid getting reamed, not only in front of his teammates but also in front of his fans. Obviously it didn't bother them anywhere near as much as it did me. Patsos needs to come across a little less like 'it's all about me' and more about what the team needs to work on without throwing kids under the bus. We know Ryan is in a slump, that Maurice misses layups, that Jimmy Paige may not know what to do on defense - we don't need to hear it as the reason we lost. I sort of agree but life isn't fair. It might be better these kids understand this sooner than later not for a basketball sense but from a life experience sense. Jimmy's preparing them for the real world and not a fantasy/dream world. That's what I like about Jimmy. He's preparing them for life and not coddling them. Boy have times changed! When I went to college, my world was full of optimism about my future. My professors pushed me to limits I didn't know existed. When I struggled, and I struggled, they HELPED me, encouraged me, helped me some more and I got through it. Now we have a head coach who is, if I'm reading your words correctly, preparing the kids for the possibility of a losing future, one that is impacted by the unfairness in life, and they should thank him for it! Yikes! I'm not voting for coddling but this team is curdling and it may already be beyond the point where any cheese can be salvaged.
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Post by wilpat on Jan 17, 2015 10:40:24 GMT -5
Paige per minutes played is rebounding as well as anyone on this team, I think he is a player who can contribute off the bench for Siena and people have to remember he is only a freshman.
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Post by bagger on Jan 17, 2015 11:07:50 GMT -5
what good is rebounding if you can't score..
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Post by billmurray on Jan 17, 2015 11:19:06 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you are saying but I will surprise you by not agreeing about opening the practices. That is really a coach's decision and I was always surprised that we were allowed to watch some of the goings on. I was always uncomfortable to see a kid getting reamed, not only in front of his teammates but also in front of his fans. Obviously it didn't bother them anywhere near as much as it did me. Patsos needs to come across a little less like 'it's all about me' and more about what the team needs tso work on without throwing kids under the bus. We know Ryan is in a slump, that Maurice misses layups, that Jimmy Paige may not know what to do on defense - we don't need to hear it as the reason we lost. The main point is to keep the big supporters happy. If not the practices than in some other way. I don't want to keep bringing up the "F" word but Fran used to give pre game speeches to the premium seat holders -- is this still being done? I disagree, the main point is to win games. Do that and everybody is happy. If you don't win game all the talking and rubbing elbows with the high rollers will not get you anywhere, nor should it.
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Post by billmurray on Jan 17, 2015 11:27:12 GMT -5
I’m willing to give Jimmy some slack- the injuries derailed this year. I don’t think we would have had enough talent to win the MAAC, but we would have been in the mix. I am however concerned about his recruiting, I feel the staff was lazy in their recruiting last year and we are paying the price now. I have said this several times, the next two ships will define jimmy’s regime. I know some of you don’t want to hear this, but we have no outside shooting coming back. If the staff signs two more role players we are looking at .500 or slightly better record next year. We need a shooter and we need to get quicker and more athletic – he signs two impact players and we are off to races. I’m willing to wait and see how recruiting this spring goes I can agree with most of this. Injuries derailed this year so far. Need to recruit two athletic impact wings next year. Get healthy and hope for the best the rest of the year and hit the recruiting trail for those two must have guys.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 17, 2015 12:30:11 GMT -5
I sort of agree but life isn't fair. It might be better these kids understand this sooner than later not for a basketball sense but from a life experience sense. Jimmy's preparing them for the real world and not a fantasy/dream world. That's what I like about Jimmy. He's preparing them for life and not coddling them. Boy have times changed! When I went to college, my world was full of optimism about my future. My professors pushed me to limits I didn't know existed. When I struggled, and I struggled, they HELPED me, encouraged me, helped me some more and I got through it. Now we have a head coach who is, if I'm reading your words correctly, preparing the kids for the possibility of a losing future, one that is impacted by the unfairness in life, and they should thank him for it! Yikes! I'm not voting for coddling but this team is curdling and it may already be beyond the point where any cheese can be salvaged. Everybody teaches different. I'm not saying one way is better than others. I'm also not saying that it's the way I'd teach, but I'm open minded to all sides. I try not to shun an idea, or way of coaching because I don't understand or agree with it. I'm simply trying to stay positive in the frustration of losing. I know others will not see it the same way I do and that's OK. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed or shared the same ideas. I'm a Siena fan first (above winning or losing). I'm not trying to say I'm a better fan but maybe trying to explain why I'm not as upset as others. Of course I'd rather see the team win & be successful but I'm going to support them eitherway.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 17, 2015 13:16:43 GMT -5
The main point is to keep the big supporters happy. If not the practices than in some other way. I don't want to keep bringing up the "F" word but Fran used to give pre game speeches to the premium seat holders -- is this still being done? I disagree, the main point is to win games. Do that and everybody is happy. If you don't win game all the talking and rubbing elbows with the high rollers will not get you anywhere, nor should it. No you took this out of context. I meant the main point about opening practices, not the main point of the program. Alienating the donors while losing is a surefire way to completely fail. Wins have to happen, no doubt. But the money needs to keep rolling in too. Ultimately he needs to do both to keep everybody happy. While tis season is going to be a losing one, he needs to stay positive and keep the big donors believing that success is just around the corner.
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Post by olddave on Jan 17, 2015 19:05:49 GMT -5
let's all take a deep breath. JP is just 1.5 seasons in and the last 1/2 season a disaster not his doing. Stop comparing him to Fran, Fran got a little lucky and now just 5 6ears later still needs work at his new school. Loved Fran but he still had baggage as much as JP. Want to blame anyone blame the administration on not keeping the good coaches. Ongoing challenge in the MAAC, coaches being plucked don't see that in AE. For click clack UA should win AE this year, terrible conference. If Brown was so good why hasn't he been offered a better position, think before you make a fool of yourself with a reply.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 17, 2015 19:10:50 GMT -5
let's all take a deep breath. JP is just 1.5 seasons in and the last 1/2 season a disaster not his doing. Stop comparing him to Fran, Fran got a little lucky and now just 5 6ears later still needs work at his new school. Loved Fran but he still had baggage as much as JP. Want to blame anyone blame the administration on not keeping the good coaches. Ongoing challenge in the MAAC, coaches being plucked don't see that in AE. For click clack UA should win AE this year, terrible conference. If Brown was so good why hasn't he been offered a better position, think before you make a fool of yourself with a reply. Except that the same can be said of patsos. You might want to rethink your argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 7:04:34 GMT -5
let's all take a deep breath. JP is just 1.5 seasons in and the last 1/2 season a disaster not his doing. Stop comparing him to Fran, Fran got a little lucky and now just 5 6ears later still needs work at his new school. Loved Fran but he still had baggage as much as JP. Want to blame anyone blame the administration on not keeping the good coaches. Ongoing challenge in the MAAC, coaches being plucked don't see that in AE. For click clack UA should win AE this year, terrible conference. If Brown was so good why hasn't he been offered a better position, think before you make a fool of yourself with a reply. Except that the same can be said of patsos. You might want to rethink your argument. Actually, it's common knowledge Brown was offered the Bonnie job, so too late.
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Post by hankla on Jan 18, 2015 17:02:37 GMT -5
Will Brown is building a very good pension .Didn't he come from a State community college? Bonnies couldn't offer enough to overcome the future security.
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