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Post by billmurray on Jan 15, 2015 12:26:39 GMT -5
Boy we need a win to change the tune here. You must have been a "Mitch Lover". The goody goody boys on this Board call anyone who is honest and calls out JP, D'Arg Mullen or the rest of the Siena Admin for blowing the A-10 chance as "haters". If we accept mediocrity ( or now worse) we will surely get it. The people who really care about Siena basketball are the fans who pay the ticket prices, donate to the program , etc.. They deserve a good team. If Siena has the best arena, best fan base, and spends considerably more than most of its competition, then why can't we be critical of the people who have screwed this program? Siena fans deserve a good team, but it was clear after Mitch's first year that the A-10 dream was fading and after the third year, it was gone. An opportunity lost, I don't dwell on that. That ship has sailed. Siena has to build and move on. It will be a multi-year process. Without this year's injuring I believe this team would have made progress toward the goal and certainly would have been in the top tier of the MAAC. They may yet, but it will be much more difficult. Next year's class needs a couple of more players to move the program forward and the staff is still recruiting. I try to remain positive, hope for improvement and not dwell on the negative. That is just the way I approach life. |
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Post by MTS on Jan 15, 2015 12:44:30 GMT -5
At some point Siena fans will have to consider that this is the new permanent reality of Siena hoops. It's year 6.... Year 5, FYI. Program still won a national postseason tournament. And if that's no big deal - list the AE or MAAC programs that have done it? There is no "permanent reality" - Siena basketball will rise again. Iona sucked for a long time before their latest run, as an example. Enjoy beating up on Binghamton and UMBC. |
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Post by clickclack on Jan 15, 2015 12:46:06 GMT -5
At some point Siena fans will have to consider that this is the new permanent reality of Siena hoops. It's year 6.... Year 5, FYI. Program still won a national postseason tournament. And if that's no big deal - list the AE or MAAC programs that have done it? There is no "permanent reality" - Siena basketball will rise again. Iona sucked for a long time before their latest run, as an example. Enjoy beating up on Binghamton and UMBC. And Siena, don't forget Siena. :-) |
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Post by mjs72 on Jan 15, 2015 15:03:14 GMT -5
Mike, you gave him a hanging curveball on that one!
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Post by musicman on Jan 15, 2015 15:04:07 GMT -5
You must have been a "Mitch Lover". The goody goody boys on this Board call anyone who is honest and calls out JP, D'Arg Mullen or the rest of the Siena Admin for blowing the A-10 chance as "haters". If we accept mediocrity ( or now worse) we will surely get it. The people who really care about Siena basketball are the fans who pay the ticket prices, donate to the program , etc.. They deserve a good team. If Siena has the best arena, best fan base, and spends considerably more than most of its competition, then why can't we be critical of the people who have screwed this program? Siena fans deserve a good team, but it was clear after Mitch's first year that the A-10 dream was fading and after the third year, it was gone. An opportunity lost, I don't dwell on that. That ship has sailed. Siena has to build and move on. It will be a multi-year process. Without this year's injuring I believe this team would have made progress toward the goal and certainly would have been in the top tier of the MAAC. They may yet, but it will be much more difficult. Next year's class needs a couple of more players to move the program forward and the staff is still recruiting. I try to remain positive, hope for improvement and not dwell on the negative. That is just the way I approach life. Well said Bill. I'd like to include my name on this post. I agree with every word here. I don't see most of us on this Board that try to stay positive, in spite of tough times, calling others "haters." Individuals usually use that word while engaged in a pissing match with another "strong personality" to try to win an argument. I don't think anyone is happy with this season and for many different reasons. There are many posters that are critical about the staff and our recent history. They make a lot of sense and create good debate. The problem isn't the majority of the negative posters, it's the minority of individuals that are just down right ugly. And as soon as someone has the audacity to say," hey, we know you're upset, but calm down," that person is ostracized and called names. For what reason ? For trying to ask people not to be so ugly! You don't have to agree with everything. You can be negative even when we win if that's how you want to be. But it's the ugliness that is making it harder on all of us. We probably agree with 80% of the points being made but it's the venomous way that the message is being delivered. |
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Post by Tony on Jan 15, 2015 16:32:58 GMT -5
At some point Siena fans will have to consider that this is the new permanent reality of Siena hoops. It's year 6.... This is where Siena and UA are vastly different-- Will Brown can pile up 500 season after 500 season and nothing will be done because of your small fan base- at Siena if you dont win-- you will be gone. And I'm not writing off Jimmy by any means. This year was derailed by injuries and its causing some people to flip out. Jimmy needs to land an impact player or two-- something that can be done from Siena ( very hard to do at UA ) another big difference. |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 15, 2015 18:08:02 GMT -5
"We were headed for a championship before the injuries." PPC - I'm not so sure. We were better with Imoh and Brett for sure and we'd have won a few more games but we didn't look great in the beginning of the season even with Brett and Lavon. I'm glad Lavon is back and getting better (physically) but we aren't even close to a Championship team. Next year We'll have Brett and Imoh but lose Evan and Rob. From a scoring perspective that's a net loss. It may be again in rebounding and defense but it is tough since we're losing 2 back court and gaining 2 front court guys. We'll see but I'm not seeing a Championship this year or next year unless Jimmy bring in a class like Fran did. Well I see a more positive outlook than you do. #PlayerDevelopment |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 15, 2015 18:15:07 GMT -5
Siena fans deserve a good team, but it was clear after Mitch's first year that the A-10 dream was fading and after the third year, it was gone. An opportunity lost, I don't dwell on that. That ship has sailed. Siena has to build and move on. It will be a multi-year process. Without this year's injuring I believe this team would have made progress toward the goal and certainly would have been in the top tier of the MAAC. They may yet, but it will be much more difficult. Next year's class needs a couple of more players to move the program forward and the staff is still recruiting. I try to remain positive, hope for improvement and not dwell on the negative. That is just the way I approach life. Well said Bill. I'd like to include my name on this post. I agree with every word here. I don't see most of us on this Board that try to stay positive, in spite of tough times, calling others "haters." Individuals usually use that word while engaged in a pissing match with another "strong personality" to try to win an argument. I don't think anyone is happy with this season and for many different reasons. There are many posters that are critical about the staff and our recent history. They make a lot of sense and create good debate. The problem isn't the majority of the negative posters, it's the minority of individuals that are just down right ugly. And as soon as someone has the audacity to say," hey, we know you're upset, but calm down," that person is ostracized and called names. For what reason ? For trying to ask people not to be so ugly! You don't have to agree with everything. You can be negative even when we win if that's how you want to be. But it's the ugliness that is making it harder on all of us. We probably agree with 80% of the points being made but it's the venomous way that the message is being delivered. Well said. I was not prepared for all of the nastiness. But know that those that go there do not represent the fan base. They rep themselves |
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Post by billmurray on Jan 15, 2015 19:07:29 GMT -5
Well said Bill. I'd like to include my name on this post. I agree with every word here. I don't see most of us on this Board that try to stay positive, in spite of tough times, calling others "haters." Individuals usually use that word while engaged in a pissing match with another "strong personality" to try to win an argument. I don't think anyone is happy with this season and for many different reasons. There are many posters that are critical about the staff and our recent history. They make a lot of sense and create good debate. The problem isn't the majority of the negative posters, it's the minority of individuals that are just down right ugly. And as soon as someone has the audacity to say," hey, we know you're upset, but calm down," that person is ostracized and called names. For what reason ? For trying to ask people not to be so ugly! You don't have to agree with everything. You can be negative even when we win if that's how you want to be. But it's the ugliness that is making it harder on all of us. We probably agree with 80% of the points being made but it's the venomous way that the message is being delivered. Well said. I was not prepared for all of the nastiness. But know that those that go there do not represent the fan base. They rep themselves It is apparent that S70 has some serious issues with the Franciscans and that colors his view of the all things Siena. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 6:44:17 GMT -5
At some point Siena fans will have to consider that this is the new permanent reality of Siena hoops. It's year 6.... Year 5, FYI. Program still won a national postseason tournament. And if that's no big deal - list the AE or MAAC programs that have done it? There is no "permanent reality" - Siena basketball will rise again. Iona sucked for a long time before their latest run, as an example. Enjoy beating up on Binghamton and UMBC. With all due respect, the surprise CBI experience last year served several purposes - it marked the official end, IMO, of the prior three year disaster, laid the foundation for this year's level of expectations, provided us with additional entertainement while the rest of the basketball world was dancing, and was a lot of fun. Not taking anything away from that, but I am getting tired of the continual reference to it as a "national" tournament, implying a level of quality with the other tournaments at that time. All of the tournaments each year have a "national" element, even the preseason ones, IMO. Tournament committees lure the best teams available from across the entire 351 team NCAA field to meet each preseason tournament's profile (give the host team a chance at a high profile win) and/or needs (TV rankings). As for the CBI, those 16 teams are offered entrance after selection from the 219 teams that didn't make the more prestigious National Tournaments - NCAA (68), NIT (32) and CIT (32) - that have the 132 best teams that season. |
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Post by gorvy on Jan 16, 2015 7:06:33 GMT -5
Year 5, FYI. Program still won a national postseason tournament. And if that's no big deal - list the AE or MAAC programs that have done it? There is no "permanent reality" - Siena basketball will rise again. Iona sucked for a long time before their latest run, as an example. Enjoy beating up on Binghamton and UMBC. With all due respect, the surprise CBI experience last year served several purposes - it marked the official end, IMO, of the prior three year disaster, laid the foundation for this year's level of expectations, provided us with additional entertainement while the rest of the basketball world was dancing, and was a lot of fun. Not taking anything away from that, but I am getting tired of the continual reference to it as a "national" tournament, implying a level of quality with the other tournaments at that time. All of the tournaments each year have a "national" element, even the preseason ones, IMO. Tournament committees lure the best teams available from across the entire 351 team NCAA field to meet each preseason tournament's profile (give the host team a chance at a high profile win) and/or needs (TV rankings). As for the CBI, those 16 teams are offered entrance after selection from the 219 teams that didn't make the more prestigious National Tournaments - NCAA (68), NIT (32) and CIT (32) - that have the 132 best teams that season. What makes the CIT better than the CBI? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 7:25:04 GMT -5
With all due respect, the surprise CBI experience last year served several purposes - it marked the official end, IMO, of the prior three year disaster, laid the foundation for this year's level of expectations, provided us with additional entertainement while the rest of the basketball world was dancing, and was a lot of fun. Not taking anything away from that, but I am getting tired of the continual reference to it as a "national" tournament, implying a level of quality with the other tournaments at that time. All of the tournaments each year have a "national" element, even the preseason ones, IMO. Tournament committees lure the best teams available from across the entire 351 team NCAA field to meet each preseason tournament's profile (give the host team a chance at a high profile win) and/or needs (TV rankings). As for the CBI, those 16 teams are offered entrance after selection from the 219 teams that didn't make the more prestigious National Tournaments - NCAA (68), NIT (32) and CIT (32) - that have the 132 best teams that season. What makes the CIT better than the CBI? Maybe nothing. Impression is that the CBI selects last. |
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Post by gorvy on Jan 16, 2015 7:34:29 GMT -5
Perhaps. I always considered them equal. A bunch of teams spurn both tourneys so it is not even the best of the rest after the NCAA and NIT. However, I am satisfied with either tourney as a minimum standard for Siena basketball. Where I am dissatisfied is having losing records despite being in the MAAC to get there. As Patsos should know, getting to the CBI and/or the CIT is fine and winning it is even better, but there has to be a plan with an expectation of building toward the NIT and NCAA. That means solid recruiting, better schedules, winning home games, and winning maac regular season and postseason titles. It is not too much to ask for given the expecations put on the fans. I mean, I just got a brochure in my email asking me for $900 to go on a cruise with Patsos, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 10:02:56 GMT -5
He's "HUGE" ahhh
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 16, 2015 10:12:11 GMT -5
At some point Siena fans will have to consider that this is the new permanent reality of Siena hoops. It's year 6.... Non-Siena fans can only wish for this to be true. Even in the past 6 years Siena is still a better "Program" than most MAAC or AE teams could ever dream to achieve. I'm not talking about W & Ls but the Siena Program. Siena has so much "goodwill" built up over the past 30+ years to withstand many loosing seasons (which probably won't happen anyway). |
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