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Post by gorvy on Dec 21, 2014 14:47:10 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! So what does that mean? If I am critical as a season ticket holder they don't let me renew? They won't accept my donations? They don't let me keep hiring Siena students? What is the stick? Unless someone is over the top it has a real grudge than its BS Maybe they will close practice. Oh wait they already did that. Ok maybe they will only fill your beer half way. Or maybe no bobblehead for you. Give your seat away to a UAlbany fan?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:57:08 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! Really! You overlook one fact - the school hears directly from those of us that have strong feelings one way or the other. We've been with the program during the good and bad times for a long, long time. They actually value our views. Your thinly veiled threat won't fly.
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Post by th24 on Dec 21, 2014 15:20:34 GMT -5
Fine..don't believe me! #continueBEINGfoolish
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Post by siena12077 on Dec 21, 2014 15:27:47 GMT -5
Tony and bigsaint, you guys are like the guys who drool over the preseason all-league picks. It isn't about what someone thinks you can do before you actually do anything, it is about what you do. Let me explain. Tony points out that Jackson had an offer from Richmond. When his career was done he had scored 1164 points in 118 games (he was a "2 guard). Today, Evan has 1144 points in 108 games, mostly as a point guard, and with VERY limited minutes in games the past 2 years. Rob Poole has 1228 points in 106 games. Neither Rob nor Evan had offers from Richmond or any A10 school for that matter. Owen, despite his offers, failed to crack the 1,000 point scorer list playing in the MAAC for 4 seasons. Kyle Griffin was not only recruited by the A10, he played in the A10. Brandon Walters played in the Big East! What did they do in the MAAC? Sure you can say, so what? If they are being recruited by "up conferences" they are better players. I say if they are, and they still come to Siena, with rare exception (see Edwin.. and WHY he came to Siena) then they were just being recruited as "roster fillers" or "projects" and no one is going to build their team around them. Tell me which of the "up level" guys I mentioned YOU would build a team around? I think you weigh personal achievement against team results. I don't care if you score 1000 points. If your team sucks you probably had something to do with that. Poole and Hymes fall into this category. Poole is a nice third or fourth option perhaps even sixth man. In my opinion. He is expected to be a star on this team. Recipe for failure. I think Poole is absolutely a great third option and could even be a viable second option depending on strategy/other scoring options. He just can't be "the guy."
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Post by gorvy on Dec 21, 2014 15:31:46 GMT -5
Fine..don't believe me! #continueBEINGfoolish Oh I believe you. In fact, I'm heading out to Lowe's right now to get a few supplies to batten down the hatches. I'm going to do everything I can to keep the clipboard toting Siena people away from my Eddie Ubiles basketball card collection. Remember folks, look through the peephole first before you answer the door. If you see a green hat with an "S" on it, it very well could be a Siena people!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 15:35:17 GMT -5
Fine..don't believe me! #continueBEINGfoolish Oh I believe you. In fact, I'm heading out to Lowe's right now to get a few supplies to batten down the hatches. I'm going to do everything I can to keep the clipboard toting Siena people away from my Eddie Ubiles basketball card collection. Remember folks, look through the peephole first before you answer the door. If you see a green hat with an "S" on it, it very well could be a Siena people!!!! Good thinking heading to Lowes, use your Lowes card and save 5% while buttoning up the place.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 21, 2014 15:44:16 GMT -5
Fine..don't believe me! #continueBEINGfoolish I'm really starting to feel bad for you, you're not well. Do you see little green and gold men lurking in your shrubs outside your windows? #paranoidorjustreallystupid
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Post by th24 on Dec 21, 2014 16:03:04 GMT -5
Is that all you got?! I could care less!
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 21, 2014 16:04:44 GMT -5
[/b] It seems everyone can't or won't be satisfied no matter the coach. If I remember correctly there have been some who didn't even like Deane, Hewitt, Orr, or Fran. Granted I doubt they were the same fans that didn't like all. Can't seem to please everyone. That's way I simply root for the coach/team year in and year out regardless who's there (like many on here). I understand what Gorvy says too about people having opinions, I get that, too. I just believe the negative opinions are people are frustrated with the losses, lack of effort, don't like coach's style/recruiting, etc.. If players are in fact reading this board as some have indicated, what does it show/tell them when we continue to negatively harp on the players or coaches or even the admin? Maybe they laugh if off, or ignor it. Maybe it motivates them. But what if it actually impacts them and/or their play negatively? Then it can't be helping to support our, so called, team. Can it?[/quote] You make some valid points--- there will always be those that complain about something-- it's human nature. However, the four guys site provides a valuable service for those that want unabashed adoration of the program. And I don't mean to devalue what they do, it is a refreshing site to read day in and day out and I think the kids on the team really like it. This board provides a different service, but one that is no less invaluable. It is a site that provides for checks and balances. It is a pulse of the program, and the admin uses it to their advantage. It is a place where fans can cheer for the team and let out their frustrations, mostly in a constructive way. If we couldn't say negative things than I don't think this board would exist to the extent that it does. And if this place didn't exist who knows maybe we would still have Mitch as coach right now, or Lanier or even Beyer (I hope not lol!). Even if we make no difference at all I still can't thank the mods enough for providing this place I really mean that. As for the kids playing poorly because of this site social media is not going away. Most of these kids, even the marginal players will play for at least a few years professionally after they leave here. I would prefer that the kids and their moms and dads don't read it, but what better way is there to get a taste of the real world than reading this board. It's tame compared to what they will face on a daily basis going forward. Besides, there are always the checks on here to the balances... [/quote] I see your point about this board. I guess I too am frustrated but am taking it out on people complaining (even when they have valid points/concerns). For that I do apologize.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 21, 2014 16:08:27 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! I'm keeping track of who charges me like three times the conference rate for season tickets while providing a mediocre product. I think, despite what you read out here, many of us are actually biting our tongue withholding far worse comments
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Post by Tony on Dec 21, 2014 16:44:45 GMT -5
I have my reservations about Jimmy—but I will say this he inherited a total wreck of a program, I don’t think many of you appreciate how bad a shape the program was in, coming off 8 wins, lose our best player in OD, a serviceable big man in Davis Martens decides to go on with his life, cheech and chong debacle.. Jimmy literally inherited Poole and a bag of balls. Jimmy has a track record he is no PW or even a Lanier the biggest question with Jimmy is can he "up" his game, or will he turn Siena into Loyola north. Have to give him some time, the injuries this year certainly set us back . But to those of you that expected an overnight fix.. sorry ..hang in there, it will get better question is how much better and even for that we have to give him some time Actually, since you started this thread as a recruiting question, that's interesting about what he "inherited". He inherited 5 players and in year 2 all 5 were still in the top 8-10, including probably 4 of the top 5 or 6 scorers. So if he inherited a train wreck, his recruiting must be even worse. Do you spin everything-- of course the upperclassmen are leading scorers- they usually are. And another reason why I think this recruiting period is extremely important for next few seasons
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:50:39 GMT -5
Actually, since you started this thread as a recruiting question, that's interesting about what he "inherited". He inherited 5 players and in year 2 all 5 were still in the top 8-10, including probably 4 of the top 5 or 6 scorers. So if he inherited a train wreck, his recruiting must be even worse. Do you spin everything-- of course the upperclassmen are leading scorers- they usually are. And another reason why I think this recruiting period is extremely important for next few seasons No spin about it, except from you. If 4 of the top 6 scorers were going to be from the " disaster " he inherited, then the 8 he recruited were not up to par.
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Post by Tony on Dec 21, 2014 17:16:58 GMT -5
Do you spin everything-- of course the upperclassmen are leading scorers- they usually are. And another reason why I think this recruiting period is extremely important for next few seasons No spin about it, except from you. If 4 of the top 6 scorers were going to be from the " disaster " he inherited, then the 8 he recruited were not up to par. What did Oliver and Bisping do under PW ?-- thank you.. he was hired in April after the majority of recruiting was done. He is not a miracle worker despite what some of the poster think-- nor is he as horrible as you appear to think he is..its going to take a few years to clean up the mess he was left
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2014 17:40:17 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! I'm keeping track of who charges me like three times the conference rate for season tickets while providing a mediocre product. I think, despite what you read out here, many of us are actually biting our tongue withholding far worse comments BA BAMMMMM!!!!! BINGO!!!! BAZINGA!!!!!
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2014 17:44:53 GMT -5
No spin about it, except from you. If 4 of the top 6 scorers were going to be from the " disaster " he inherited, then the 8 he recruited were not up to par. What did Oliver and Bisping do under PW ?-- thank you.. he was hired in April after the majority of recruiting was done. He is not a miracle worker despite what some of the poster think-- nor is he as horrible as you appear to think he is..its going to take a few years to clean up the mess he was left Oliver hardly every got in the game under Mitch and Co, and it didn't matter when he did because the entire offense ran into OD and the ball NEVER came out. He was very close to transferring and would have if Mitch and Co weren't eliminated. He had the same shooting talent all along. Pretty much the same with Brett; he wasn't going to get the ball with OD in the game. It was all dribble around in half court and pound it to OD, all the time.
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