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Post by gorvy on Dec 21, 2014 13:09:17 GMT -5
I don't think people we're expecting an at large bid, but they were expecting progression -- big difference. And while you hope that it is too soon to get on the soapbox, it is just your opinion just like others have an equally valid opposite view given the circumstances. Certainly we are all entitled to our opinion, but my point is, given "circumstances", the validity of some overly harsh opinions are questionable. We all want to see progression, I agree, but injuries happen and realistically sometimes expectations of progression have to be "tempered" in my opinion. Just keep an open mind like you expect others to do. Debate the points instead of just assuming that posters are unrealistic or harsh. There could be more wrong with the team other than the injuries. Or it could all be part of a master plan for MAAC supremacy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 13:11:20 GMT -5
Umm hes kind of following Mitch's trajectory excluding the CBI. Next recruiting class is invaluable to his tenure, unless 16 win seasons become acceptable. Yeah, except for the improvement/success in the post season and 20 wins in his first year it looks just like Mitch. LOL CBI was the savior of his season. Overall regular season and MAAC tournament was OK. This year has been a mess. Unfortunately all the injuries, chemistry issues and players leaving aren't in a column that's totaled like wins and losses, which afterall is how the team is judged. Like I said before I hope this thing turns itself around starting with Lavons return and just gets better.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 21, 2014 13:21:13 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! What does this mean? That sounds threatening. I'm a supporter and I don't like some of the comments, but I do think people have the right to make them without the threat of retaliation. I also hope players are not reading this board, that's why I try, not always successfully, I'll admit, to temper my negative comments. After all they are still kids.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 21, 2014 13:21:24 GMT -5
Umm hes kind of following Mitch's trajectory excluding the CBI. Next recruiting class is invaluable to his tenure, unless 16 win seasons become acceptable. Yeah, except for the improvement/success in the post season and 20 wins in his first year it looks just like Mitch. LOL You are right, this is nothing like Mitch. It is more like Lanier. Plod along losing more than winning, no game is really important in the first year, then win a post season tournament and get the fans hyped up for the following year. Then, start plodding along again, ups and downs, "it's all about the MAAC", everything the same except the post season magic doesn't come. Then, the downs come far more often than the ups and the boosters get out their checkbook again. Boy I hope this story is rewritten, as I already read the last one and didn't care for it too much. You are right though, there is still time. Just like Lanier, that first year bought him some equity...
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2014 13:23:34 GMT -5
Oh goody..... Now it will be 'Believe in Jimmy...or else' Well, as I said previously, seeing is believing.
And define those who really support the program, because the $$$ is what really matters. The continual 'passing of the basket' will reflect that a lot of people want a competitive program run the right way, and they want to be entertained with some good basketball. That's all. Good kids, hard work, productive in the classroom and on the court....I know, my standards are damn near impossible.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 21, 2014 13:36:25 GMT -5
So Patsos gives his shorthanded team a "pat on the back" instead of demeaning and badmouthing them, (as he has been criticized of in the past) and now he is criticized for that. The guy can't satisfy anyone no matter what his does. [/b] It seems everyone can't or won't be satisfied no matter the coach. If I remember correctly there have been some who didn't even like Deane, Hewitt, Orr, or Fran. Granted I doubt they were the same fans that didn't like all. Can't seem to please everyone. That's way I simply root for the coach/team year in and year out regardless who's there (like many on here). I understand what Gorvy says too about people having opinions, I get that, too. I just believe the negative opinions are people are frustrated with the losses, lack of effort, don't like coach's style/recruiting, etc.. If players are in fact reading this board as some have indicated, what does it show/tell them when we continue to negatively harp on the players or coaches or even the admin? Maybe they laugh if off, or ignor it. Maybe it motivates them. But what if it actually impacts them and/or their play negatively? Then it can't be helping to support our, so called, team. Can it?[/quote] You make some valid points--- there will always be those that complain about something-- it's human nature. However, the four guys site provides a valuable service for those that want unabashed adoration of the program. And I don't mean to devalue what they do, it is a refreshing site to read day in and day out and I think the kids on the team really like it. This board provides a different service, but one that is no less invaluable. It is a site that provides for checks and balances. It is a pulse of the program, and the admin uses it to their advantage. It is a place where fans can cheer for the team and let out their frustrations, mostly in a constructive way. If we couldn't say negative things than I don't think this board would exist to the extent that it does. And if this place didn't exist who knows maybe we would still have Mitch as coach right now, or Lanier or even Beyer (I hope not lol!). Even if we make no difference at all I still can't thank the mods enough for providing this place I really mean that. As for the kids playing poorly because of this site social media is not going away. Most of these kids, even the marginal players will play for at least a few years professionally after they leave here. I would prefer that the kids and their moms and dads don't read it, but what better way is there to get a taste of the real world than reading this board. It's tame compared to what they will face on a daily basis going forward. Besides, there are always the checks on here to the balances...
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Post by billmurray on Dec 21, 2014 13:37:39 GMT -5
Yeah, except for the improvement/success in the post season and 20 wins in his first year it looks just like Mitch. LOL You are right, this is nothing like Mitch. It is more like Lanier. Plod along losing more than winning, no game is really important in the first year, then win a post season tournament and get the fans hyped up for the following year. Then, start plodding along again, ups and downs, "it's all about the MAAC", everything the same except the post season magic doesn't come. Then, the downs come far more often than the ups and the boosters get out their checkbook again. Boy I hope this story is rewritten, as I already read the last one and didn't care for it too much. You are right though, there is still time. Just like Lanier, that first year bought him some equity... Now there's some progress, Patsos is not the worst coach in Siena history, maybe only the second or third worst coach in Siena history. Moving up incrementally and winning the hearts of the fans one notch at a time. ;-)
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Post by MTS on Dec 21, 2014 13:42:10 GMT -5
Yeah, except for the improvement/success in the post season and 20 wins in his first year it looks just like Mitch. LOL You are right, this is nothing like Mitch. It is more like Lanier. Plod along losing more than winning, no game is really important in the first year, then win a post season tournament and get the fans hyped up for the following year. Then, start plodding along again, ups and downs, "it's all about the MAAC", everything the same except the post season magic doesn't come. Then, the downs come far more often than the ups and the boosters get out their checkbook again. Boy I hope this story is rewritten, as I already read the last one and didn't care for it too much. You are right though, there is still time. Just like Lanier, that first year bought him some equity... Not really like Lanier either. Lanier took over a program that had gone 86-38 the four years prior to his arrival (Jimmy took over a train wreck big difference). Plus Lanier was a first time head coach - Patsos has a solid track record at Loyola considering what he had to work with there (needs to raise his game at Siena I completely agree with that). Lanier inherited such players as Dwayne Archbold, Prosper Karangwa, James Clinton, Andy Cavo, Tommy Mitchell etc... Siena stunk during the regular season going 12-18 before getting hot winning the MAAC tournament and NCAA PIG in Dayton to finish 17-19 playing Maryland (Jimmy on Gary Williams' staff) pretty tough on UM way to the national title. The next year was really Lanier's best overall year going 21-11 and making the second round of the NIT. Once he lost two of his key assistants (Steve Seymour and Rob Jackson) the program got worse and worse before his firing.
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Post by greenandgold on Dec 21, 2014 13:45:00 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! Are they making a list and checking it twice?
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 21, 2014 13:47:32 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! So what does that mean? If I am critical as a season ticket holder they don't let me renew? They won't accept my donations? They don't let me keep hiring Siena students? What is the stick? Unless someone is over the top it has a real grudge than its BS
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:03:43 GMT -5
Oh by the way I have nothing against any of the players and I'm glad they're all here.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 21, 2014 14:27:41 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! WTF does that mean, am I getting a lump of coal in my stocking or am I about to wake up next to a horses head. Do you think before you post or does that drivel just flow from your finger tips. OMG what a douche. l
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:28:21 GMT -5
Just to let you know! People at Siena are taking note on who is trashing the program! And who really supports the program- during good times and BAD! What does this mean? That sounds threatening. I'm a supporter and I don't like some of the comments, but I do think people have the right to make them without the threat of retaliation. I also hope players are not reading this board, that's why I try, not always successfully, I'll admit, to temper my negative comments. After all they are still kids. Nothing th24 has ever said meant anything.
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Post by Tony on Dec 21, 2014 14:36:34 GMT -5
I have my reservations about Jimmy—but I will say this he inherited a total wreck of a program, I don’t think many of you appreciate how bad a shape the program was in, coming off 8 wins, lose our best player in OD, a serviceable big man in Davis Martens decides to go on with his life, cheech and chong debacle.. Jimmy literally inherited Poole and a bag of balls. Jimmy has a track record he is no PW or even a Lanier the biggest question with Jimmy is can he "up" his game, or will he turn Siena into Loyola north. Have to give him some time, the injuries this year certainly set us back . But to those of you that expected an overnight fix.. sorry ..hang in there, it will get better question is how much better and even for that we have to give him some time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:44:31 GMT -5
I have my reservations about Jimmy—but I will say this he inherited a total wreck of a program, I don’t think many of you appreciate how bad a shape the program was in, coming off 8 wins, lose our best player in OD, a serviceable big man in Davis Martens decides to go on with his life, cheech and chong debacle.. Jimmy literally inherited Poole and a bag of balls. Jimmy has a track record he is no PW or even a Lanier the biggest question with Jimmy is can he "up" his game, or will he turn Siena into Loyola north. Have to give him some time, the injuries this year certainly set us back . But to those of you that expected an overnight fix.. sorry ..hang in there, it will get better question is how much better and even for that we have to give him some time Actually, since you started this thread as a recruiting question, that's interesting about what he "inherited". He inherited 5 players and in year 2 all 5 were still in the top 8-10, including probably 4 of the top 5 or 6 scorers. So if he inherited a train wreck, his recruiting must be even worse.
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