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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 15, 2014 18:20:46 GMT -5
So if we won Sat night, it would be considered okay to walk away from this series as the "winners?" Both schools will do what's best for each of them. UA got $18,000 from this game. If I'm them, I'd rather get a $100,000 guarantee game with a Duke or Kentucky on the road. This win, like the two in a row previous, won't increase their attendance. Their "fans" really only care about the Siena game. Sure their 1000 die-hards will show up, but the other ones got their water cooler bragging privileges for the year, and that's good enough. You people freaking out will be all glowing if the team starts winning. We'll see how it goes without Bisping. Silas hurt a little, but Bisping too? That might be too much for us to overcome, and reach any lofty expectatons. if you think having bisping and silas would somehow have this team with a different record you might want to reassess. All the two injuries provide... is an excuse to the untrained eye. This team might be a little better with those two... but not much. Neither provide a solution to the athleticism/speed/talent issue. I guess you have a trained eye, and I don't, but I'll give it my best shot. Silas plays this year, and I think we win both the UMass and Fordham games. Both teams pounded it inside, because they knew we had lost a senior inside presence. Both teams had those long athletic bigs that gives the rest of our bigs trouble. He was needed most in those 3 A-10 OOC games. Not saying Silas is a stud, but he could block shots, and rebound well. We'll never know if being a senior finally got him to understand the "not fouling" concept of defense. Was looking forward to finding out. Vermont would have been a loss anyway. Team was asleep and it was the first time we saw how up and down this group can be. UA was like thagt too. We didn't need Silas in that game. Bisping would have had a good game against that zone. The two bigs we do have, one can't finish around the basket, and the other wants to dunk it, or shoot 3's. Bispings intelligence vs. the zone would have helped, but I'm not sure we would have won that one either. I'm on record saying I want two athletic wings for '15, we need the influx of talent. But if you really think a senior and junior C and PF, that have started a lot of games at Siena, both missing the season, isn't a big deal, your eyes need some visine.
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Post by saints73 on Dec 15, 2014 20:06:49 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree. This game does mean something and it is also symbolic of where the two programs are heading. In my opinion, Siena should never lose to UAlbany when you consider the resources of the two programs. Everyone on this boards knows the stats: Siena has 3,200+ season ticket holders, plays in an NBA type arena, has the full attention of the 57th largest media market, and has a rich history of success that most major programs would envy. With those credentials, why isn't Siena out recruiting every mid major program in the norsheast?? It has to be a failure on the part of the administration and coaching staff. The AD has been essentially handed the keys to a Ferrari and is opertaing it like a Honda. As Siena fans and backers, we should all be enraged. It is unacceptable. I don't know you, but guessing you're in your mid 60's?? Fans in your age bracket remember Albany St and their D-3 world. That's changed. They're D-1, and have something we don't have at Siena. COACHING STABILITY. Every 4/5 years we're back to the drawing board replacing a HC that was very successful, or one that was a huge failure. UA has had the same guy for 14 years now. Makes a huge difference. The rest, I'll simply stand by my post. Did you actually read and comprehend my post? No, I am not in my 60's and no I didn't just step out from under a rock and realize that Albany is now playing at the division 1 level. Of course there will be the occasional bad coaching hire and some down years. That happens at all D1 programs unless you are Syracuse or Duke. Siena should still be able to out recruit UAlbany and compete with more talented players. Losing three years in a row by double digits is totally unacceptable.
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Post by olddave on Dec 15, 2014 20:20:47 GMT -5
HoopJunkie I am my mid 60's have coached played. The revolving door at coaching at Siena has hurt immeasurably. Perhaps JP will stick around. I hear how good Brown has done at UA. Third worst league, sub 500 record but a heck of a big game coach.
Also agree that Siena has everything to loose and nothing to gain with this game. End it for now. I listened to Brown today if he could get a better payday, and he does the scheduling exclusively what the hell is he doing playing Siena. D1 is business.
Saints fan you stipulate that Siena is not athletic enough. I respectfully disagree, for the MAAC they are fine. They just don't have it mentally. When JP finally turned them loose Saturday night was if someone turned a switch on. This loss was on JP for not adjusting. UA players know the x and o, but could not keep up with Siena kids when the were let loose.
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Post by saints73 on Dec 15, 2014 20:29:55 GMT -5
HoopJunkie I am my mid 60's have coached played. The revolving door at coaching at Siena has hurt immeasurably. Perhaps JP will stick around. I hear how good Brown has done at UA. Third worst league, sub 500 record but a heck of a big game coach. Also agree that Siena has everything to loose and nothing to gain with this game. End it for now. I listened to Brown today if he could get a better payday, and he does the scheduling exclusively what the hell is he doing playing Siena. D1 is business. Saints fan you stipulate that Siena is not athletic enough. I respectfully disagree, for the MAAC they are fine. They just don't have it mentally. When JP finally turned them loose Saturday night was if someone turned a switch on. This loss was on JP for not adjusting. UA players know the x and o, but could not keep up with Siena kids when the were let loose. I'm not sure which part of the game that Siena was turned loose. I don't recall any momentum or any kind of run that the fans could get behind. It was a disaster from start to finish from my perspective.
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Post by clickclack on Dec 15, 2014 20:52:02 GMT -5
HoopJunkie I am my mid 60's have coached played. The revolving door at coaching at Siena has hurt immeasurably. Perhaps JP will stick around. I hear how good Brown has done at UA. Third worst league, sub 500 record but a heck of a big game coach. Also agree that Siena has everything to loose and nothing to gain with this game. End it for now. I listened to Brown today if he could get a better payday, and he does the scheduling exclusively what the hell is he doing playing Siena. D1 is business. Saints fan you stipulate that Siena is not athletic enough. I respectfully disagree, for the MAAC they are fine. They just don't have it mentally. When JP finally turned them loose Saturday night was if someone turned a switch on. This loss was on JP for not adjusting. UA players know the x and o, but could not keep up with Siena kids when the were let loose. Turned lose... Lol... This has to be a joke post. They were turned 'loose' with 8 minutes to go and yet somehow at the 4 minute mark UA had its biggest lead at 15 if memory serves. UA couldn't keep up... Haha...
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 15, 2014 21:00:13 GMT -5
HoopJunkie I am my mid 60's have coached played. The revolving door at coaching at Siena has hurt immeasurably. Perhaps JP will stick around. I hear how good Brown has done at UA. Third worst league, sub 500 record but a heck of a big game coach. Also agree that Siena has everything to loose and nothing to gain with this game. End it for now. I listened to Brown today if he could get a better payday, and he does the scheduling exclusively what the hell is he doing playing Siena. D1 is business. Saints fan you stipulate that Siena is not athletic enough. I respectfully disagree, for the MAAC they are fine. They just don't have it mentally. When JP finally turned them loose Saturday night was if someone turned a switch on. This loss was on JP for not adjusting. UA players know the x and o, but could not keep up with Siena kids when the were let loose. Turned lose... Lol... This has to be a joke post. They were turned 'loose' with 8 minutes to go and yet somehow at the 4 minute mark UA had its biggest lead at 15 if memory serves. UA couldn't keep up... Haha... Clack I thought the pace picked over the last few minutes at one point when White missed the bunny the lead would have been cut to 6 with a make. I think Siena played into UA style and slowed the game up way too much trying to work the ball inside. I think if they pushed the pace the game might have been different. All water under the bridge at this point
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Post by clickclack on Dec 15, 2014 21:02:42 GMT -5
Here are some stats for you on how you got loose...
8:40 to go in the game you were down 11 7:07 to go in the game you were down 14 5:37 to go in the game you were down 10 5:15 to go in the game you were down 13 4:27 to go in the game you were down 15 (largest lead of the game) 3:48 to go in the game you were down 12 2:08 to go in the game you were down 8 1:57 to go in the game you were down 10 (double digits again) 1:29 to go in the game you were down 10 1:13 to go in the game you were down 12 :35 to go in the game you were down 11
You got loose alright
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 15, 2014 21:05:24 GMT -5
Here are some stats for you on how you got loose... 8:40 to go in the game you were down 11 7:07 to go in the game you were down 14 5:37 to go in the game you were down 10 5:15 to go in the game you were down 13 4:27 to go in the game you were down 15 (largest lead of the game) 3:48 to go in the game you were down 12 2:08 to go in the game you were down 8 1:57 to go in the game you were down 10 (double digits again) 1:29 to go in the game you were down 10 1:13 to go in the game you were down 12 :35 to go in the game you were down 11 You got loose alright...haha At the 2 min mark White missed the lay in would have cut it to 6. That's all I'm saying is Patsos has them playing 1:/2 court ball when they should have been pushing the pace.
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Post by clickclack on Dec 15, 2014 21:06:28 GMT -5
Turned lose... Lol... This has to be a joke post. They were turned 'loose' with 8 minutes to go and yet somehow at the 4 minute mark UA had its biggest lead at 15 if memory serves. UA couldn't keep up... Haha... Clack I thought the pace picked over the last few minutes at one point when White missed the bunny the lead would have been cut to 6 with a make. I think Siena played into UA style and slowed the game up way too much trying to work the ball inside. I think if they pushed the pace the game might have been different. All water under the bridge at this point I'm not sure I agree...Siena got desperate, starting gambling going for steals, UA made you pay a few times. Yes, your activity piked up but UA hurt you twice when it did (going off of memory here). You tried to trap and and speed UA up and UA repeatedly hurt you by getting the ball up quickly. How was Siena going to run when you couldn't score? You need stops to run and you couldn't get a stop all game.
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Post by clickclack on Dec 15, 2014 21:07:08 GMT -5
Here are some stats for you on how you got loose... 8:40 to go in the game you were down 11 7:07 to go in the game you were down 14 5:37 to go in the game you were down 10 5:15 to go in the game you were down 13 4:27 to go in the game you were down 15 (largest lead of the game) 3:48 to go in the game you were down 12 2:08 to go in the game you were down 8 1:57 to go in the game you were down 10 (double digits again) 1:29 to go in the game you were down 10 1:13 to go in the game you were down 12 :35 to go in the game you were down 11 You got loose alright...haha At the 2 min mark White missed the lay in would have cut it to 6. That's all I'm saying was Patsos has them playing 1:/2 court ball when they should have been pushing the pace. Again, how were you going to push pace when you were always taking the ball out of the net?
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Post by Tony on Dec 15, 2014 21:07:57 GMT -5
Whether it’s unacceptable or not to lose to UA 3 years in a row ( and it should never happen, given the differences in resources) it happened and we need to move on- do we close up shop? Go D3? The seeds for those 3 losses we sown 5 years ago when the PW was hired. I’m tired of hearing we aren’t athletic enough we aren’t this or that. 21 months ago Jimmy was hired, we had 7 Players- 2 of those players have since transferred to D2. We had a total of 1 legitimate player that could play on a decent MAAC team in Robbie Poole, Jimmy was hired in April AFTER recruiting was basically done, he had to piece a team together with Loyola recruits and Mitch left overs- It was a minor miracle we were even competitive last season, let alone win CBI. We have two front court players out, and don’t tell me that doesn’t make a difference when our Center spot is being manned by two 19 year olds. I’m not saying Jimmy is perfect- he is far from it. But God Damn it give him a chance, the program was run into the ground by the former coach. No doubt the team is in a major funk right now, let’s right the ship, make this year respectable and get two impact players via recruiting to go with Fisher and Wormley- Everyone knows we need more talent, can’t pick up kids via free agent route in College- Losing Silas or Brett could be overcome losing them both is a big blow . Give the guy some time, if Jimmy cant land a few impact players in off season, then maybe we have something to bitch about – till then suck it up—we have had some injuries maybe some over confidence, in a funk whatever, we are not a good team right now
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 15, 2014 21:13:39 GMT -5
Clack I thought the pace picked over the last few minutes at one point when White missed the bunny the lead would have been cut to 6 with a make. I think Siena played into UA style and slowed the game up way too much trying to work the ball inside. I think if they pushed the pace the game might have been different. All water under the bridge at this point I'm not sure I agree...Siena got desperate, starting gambling going for steals, UA made you pay a few times. Yes, your activity piked up but UA hurt you twice when it did (going off of memory here). You tried to trap and and speed UA up and UA repeatedly hurt you by getting the ball up quickly. How was Siena going to run when you couldn't score? You need stops to run and you couldn't get a stop all game. When they gambled and sped you up your lead with a make by White was cut from 14 to what should have been 6 in 3 1/2 min. Too little too late. Patsos set the tone early with Mitch styled offense. That coupled w/ shitty D and fouls sealed the deal. Hats off to UA ... You out coached and outplayed us!
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Post by Tony on Dec 15, 2014 21:15:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree...Siena got desperate, starting gambling going for steals, UA made you pay a few times. Yes, your activity piked up but UA hurt you twice when it did (going off of memory here). You tried to trap and and speed UA up and UA repeatedly hurt you by getting the ball up quickly. How was Siena going to run when you couldn't score? You need stops to run and you couldn't get a stop all game. When they gambled and sped you up your lead with a make by White was cut from 14 to what should have been 6 in 3 1/2 min. Too little too late. Patsos set the tone early with Mitch styled offense. That coupled w/ shitty D and fouls sealed the deal. Hats off to UA ... You out coached and outplayed us! this has been beaten to death--anyone at game knows UA outplayed and out coached us..let it go
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 16, 2014 12:03:11 GMT -5
So if we won Sat night, it would be considered okay to walk away from this series as the "winners?" Both schools will do what's best for each of them. UA got $18,000 from this game. If I'm them, I'd rather get a $100,000 guarantee game with a Duke or Kentucky on the road. This win, like the two in a row previous, won't increase their attendance. Their "fans" really only care about the Siena game. Sure their 1000 die-hards will show up, but the other ones got their water cooler bragging privileges for the year, and that's good enough. You people freaking out will be all glowing if the team starts winning. We'll see how it goes without Bisping. Silas hurt a little, but Bisping too? That might be too much for us to overcome, and reach any lofty expectatons. if you think having bisping and silas would somehow have this team with a different record you might want to reassess. All the two injuries provide... is an excuse to the untrained eye. This team might be a little better with those two... but not much. Neither provide a solution to the athleticism/speed/talent issue. I respectfully disagree. With Silas we would have won both the UMass & Fordham games (with his defensive & rebounding presence). With Silas & Bisping we probably would have won at Rider and possibly against UA.
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 16, 2014 12:05:10 GMT -5
if you think having bisping and silas would somehow have this team with a different record you might want to reassess. All the two injuries provide... is an excuse to the untrained eye. This team might be a little better with those two... but not much. Neither provide a solution to the athleticism/speed/talent issue. I respectfully disagree. With Silas we would have won both the UMass & Fordham games (with his defensive & rebounding presence). With Silas & Bisping we probably would have won at Rider and possibly against UA. I'm not saying that the coach couldn't do a better job, he can always prove but loosing them both hurt. No one is stepping up like Brett has (effort wise). Sure some have but we're a better "team" with Brett than w/o him.
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