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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 15, 2014 7:34:21 GMT -5
Yup and if we can win the next three OOC games (and finish with a 5-4 record in the non-conference regular season) Jimmy will be 26-23 after 49 games at Siena. Guess who also was 26-23 after 49 games at Siena? Fran McCaffery. I look at the final record. Last year we might have had a losing record for most of the year but we finished 20-18 (not that good but winning). When you look at it in days it is pretty disheartening though. You can call last year a winning season, but Siena spend a couple hundred thousand dollars on the CBI to get above .500. So you can "buy" WINS? or games against teams with better RPI's??
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Post by glen on Dec 15, 2014 7:41:13 GMT -5
I will say that even when Fran had his great teams they were always mediocre until January. Let's see if Jimmy can turn this around. The trajectory looks pretty bad right now but it can improve. That said I would expect LOTS of season ticket holder defections if this plays out for the rest of the year.
Jimmy said lots of the right things coming in about winning and expectations. That means diddly squat. I'm not sure he really understood what those expectations are...I'm not sure D'Arg does either. Hey, Mitch said right to the end that the team was going to run. Coaches say lots of stuff. All that matters is output.
My concern is that, much like Lanier and Mitch, I'm not sure Jimmy knows how to adjust. He's got some solid talent but they need to play to their strengths. We have decent bigs but they spend too much time away from the hoop and miss non-dunks when they are in the paint. We need some offensive sets and a new defensive strategy. Even in a 3-2 zone the opponent shoots 3s on us. Ugh..
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Post by indian82 on Dec 15, 2014 8:07:53 GMT -5
Yup and if we can win the next three OOC games (and finish with a 5-4 record in the non-conference regular season) Jimmy will be 26-23 after 49 games at Siena. Guess who also was 26-23 after 49 games at Siena? Fran McCaffery. I look at the final record. Last year we might have had a losing record for most of the year but we finished 20-18 (not that good but winning). When you look at it in days it is pretty disheartening though. You can call last year a winning season, but Siena spend a couple hundred thousand dollars on the CBI to get above .500. And everyone would be okay with that if the extra experience and big games were a springboard to a great year this year, like they were sold as. Now they seem like a huge waste of money. You know we could have just as easily lost those games last year, right? Esp to teams from higher level conferences. Werte you saying tey were a waste of money last year on this board? Did you go to them? To all here - we need to settle down. We know things have not looked good most games this year. I won't make excuses for injuries, but they are a fact. A lot of basketball to be played yet. I just hope Jimmy can get us back on track, but I doubt my comments here or my actions at the TUC will have much bearing on it. Either go to the games or don't. And cheer or boo (or worse?) - whatever makes you feel better. But then think of what will help the team more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 8:17:08 GMT -5
You can call last year a winning season, but Siena spend a couple hundred thousand dollars on the CBI to get above .500. And everyone would be okay with that if the extra experience and big games were a springboard to a great year this year, like they were sold as. Now they seem like a huge waste of money. You know we could have just as easily lost those games last year, right? Esp to teams from higher level conferences. Werte you saying tey were a waste of money last year on this board? Did you go to them? To all here - we need to settle down. We know things have not looked good most games this year. I won't make excuses for injuries, but they are a fact. A lot of basketball to be played yet. I just hope Jimmy can get us back on track, but I doubt my comments here or my actions at the TUC will have much bearing on it. Either go to the games or don't. And cheer or boo (or worse?) - whatever makes you feel better. But then think of what will help the team more. Did you read my post or just want to pile on me because it's the cool thing to do here? I said the games were worth it, if the experience was a springboard to this year, as advertised. That hasn't happened. The team is down, attendance will continue to drop, and you can bet the admin will not buy any more home games in those tournaments.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 15, 2014 8:45:27 GMT -5
You know we could have just as easily lost those games last year, right? Esp to teams from higher level conferences. Werte you saying tey were a waste of money last year on this board? Did you go to them? To all here - we need to settle down. We know things have not looked good most games this year. I won't make excuses for injuries, but they are a fact. A lot of basketball to be played yet. I just hope Jimmy can get us back on track, but I doubt my comments here or my actions at the TUC will have much bearing on it. Either go to the games or don't. And cheer or boo (or worse?) - whatever makes you feel better. But then think of what will help the team more. Did you read my post or just want to pile on me because it's the cool thing to do here? I said the games were worth it, if the experience was a springboard to this year, as advertised. That hasn't happened. The team is down, attendance will continue to drop, and you can bet the admin will not buy any more home games in those tournaments. They forgot to advertise this years team wouldn't have Silas and Bisping for the year. It's not even Christmas and you've got the year a total loss? I'm glad you're not on my bench quitting that easy. Long way to go. Let's see if kids like WB and JO can mature enough to offset the losses of three big men in the seasons first month.
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Post by sienasaint3 on Dec 15, 2014 9:58:14 GMT -5
Did you read my post or just want to pile on me because it's the cool thing to do here? I said the games were worth it, if the experience was a springboard to this year, as advertised. That hasn't happened. The team is down, attendance will continue to drop, and you can bet the admin will not buy any more home games in those tournaments. They forgot to advertise this years team wouldn't have Silas and Bisping for the year. It's not even Christmas and you've got the year a total loss? I'm glad you're not on my bench quitting that easy. Long way to go. Let's see if kids like WB and JO can mature enough to offset the losses of three big men in the seasons first month. I dont know how people are just ignoring the losses of Bisping and Silas and suddenly commenting that Jimmy can't coach? I think any team that loses a defensive stopper and 5 fouls for a big body and the leader of the team before December is probably going to struggle. If you want to complain about the recruiting that is fine go ahead. But those two losses are bigger than anyone is giving credit for. Its not an excuse its reality. Ive been commenting on missing Silas body down low since after the first loss to Vermont.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:39:13 GMT -5
They forgot to advertise this years team wouldn't have Silas and Bisping for the year. It's not even Christmas and you've got the year a total loss? I'm glad you're not on my bench quitting that easy. Long way to go. Let's see if kids like WB and JO can mature enough to offset the losses of three big men in the seasons first month. I dont know how people are just ignoring the losses of Bisping and Silas and suddenly commenting that Jimmy can't coach? I think any team that loses a defensive stopper and 5 fouls for a big body and the leader of the team before December is probably going to struggle. If you want to complain about the recruiting that is fine go ahead. But those two losses are bigger than anyone is giving credit for. Its not an excuse its reality. Ive been commenting on missing Silas body down low since after the first loss to Vermont. I don't know about others, but I'm not "suddenly" saying anything. I never thought Patsos was a good coach or a good hire. I'll support him and every player on the team, but I don't feel like that means I have to agree with everything they say or do. I'd accept the loses, too, with the lost personnel. But the lack of effort, the lack of individual improvement, and the newcomers not being "ready"? Those are on the head coach.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 15, 2014 11:14:18 GMT -5
Major flaws as I see them: Poor game management, in every loss he has been out coached. Poor game prep – Patsos stated in Sunday’s TU his plan was take time and work the ball inside (sound familiar because it sure as hell looked like Mitch ball Saturday) it wasn’t until the end of the game that they started to push the ball that they started having some success. He played right in UAs hands slowing the game up. We passed the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds, that doesn’t work. Poor in-game adjustments, if not entirely non-existent. Substitution pattern is insane to the detriment of player development/confidence. This has to stop. Recruiting has been less than stellar, find a couple of perimeter shooters who can create Stop fouling, it’s costing us games and the game is almost unwatchable This team needs to push the ball whenever possible, the players need to be able to play through mistakes without looking over their shoulder or worry about being berated when pulled. He acts like a complete ass on the bench. These are all issues that smacks of poor coaching.
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Post by sienasaint3 on Dec 15, 2014 11:34:29 GMT -5
I dont know how people are just ignoring the losses of Bisping and Silas and suddenly commenting that Jimmy can't coach? I think any team that loses a defensive stopper and 5 fouls for a big body and the leader of the team before December is probably going to struggle. If you want to complain about the recruiting that is fine go ahead. But those two losses are bigger than anyone is giving credit for. Its not an excuse its reality. Ive been commenting on missing Silas body down low since after the first loss to Vermont. I don't know about others, but I'm not "suddenly" saying anything. I never thought Patsos was a good coach or a good hire. I'll support him and every player on the team, but I don't feel like that means I have to agree with everything they say or do. I'd accept the loses, too, with the lost personnel. But the lack of effort, the lack of individual improvement, and the newcomers not being "ready"? Those are on the head coach. I mean you joined the board last month. Consensus on here was that Siena was going to finish 1/2 in MAAC and win tourney before the season.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 15, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -5
ill have to follow hoopjunkie around. Stop with the Silas Bisping excuses. Athleticism, Speed and Talent are lacking with this team. Neither of the two injured really provide the answers to those issues. EVERY team has looked more athletic and faster/quicker. And THAT is saying something given eight games in and our RPI is 225. Against teams ranked 170 or worse, Siena is 2-4 with two of those losses coming on the home floor. Six of the eight games played to date have come against some REALLY soft opponents. Siena has played only TWO teams with a winning record.
Six of the next seven are against similar caliber opponents (137, 204, 188, 217, 81, 206, 217). Something to keep an eye on... five of the next seven games are HOME. If Siena is still losing home games at a good clip in mid January then I think we have some major issues. There is time to "right the ship"
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 15, 2014 11:38:17 GMT -5
I don't know about others, but I'm not "suddenly" saying anything. I never thought Patsos was a good coach or a good hire. I'll support him and every player on the team, but I don't feel like that means I have to agree with everything they say or do. I'd accept the loses, too, with the lost personnel. But the lack of effort, the lack of individual improvement, and the newcomers not being "ready"? Those are on the head coach. I mean you joined the board last month. Consensus on here was that Siena was going to finish 1/2 in MAAC and win tourney before the season. for me it has and continues to be 3 through 6. Right now, Siena is headed toward 6th. Still time to turn that corner.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 15, 2014 11:39:50 GMT -5
They forgot to advertise this years team wouldn't have Silas and Bisping for the year. It's not even Christmas and you've got the year a total loss? I'm glad you're not on my bench quitting that easy. Long way to go. Let's see if kids like WB and JO can mature enough to offset the losses of three big men in the seasons first month. I dont know how people are just ignoring the losses of Bisping and Silas and suddenly commenting that Jimmy can't coach? I think any team that loses a defensive stopper and 5 fouls for a big body and the leader of the team before December is probably going to struggle. If you want to complain about the recruiting that is fine go ahead. But those two losses are bigger than anyone is giving credit for. Its not an excuse its reality. Ive been commenting on missing Silas body down low since after the first loss to Vermont. I disagree... if Siena is ranked on a scale of 100 as about a 50 right now. .. adding Silas and Bisping makes them like a 55 to 57
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 11:48:59 GMT -5
I dont know how people are just ignoring the losses of Bisping and Silas and suddenly commenting that Jimmy can't coach? I think any team that loses a defensive stopper and 5 fouls for a big body and the leader of the team before December is probably going to struggle. If you want to complain about the recruiting that is fine go ahead. But those two losses are bigger than anyone is giving credit for. Its not an excuse its reality. Ive been commenting on missing Silas body down low since after the first loss to Vermont. I disagree... if Siena is ranked on a scale of 100 as about a 50 right now. .. adding Silas and Bisping makes them like a 55 to 57 I disagree. Siena relied on a delicate balance last year to overcome their lack of athleticism and scoring efficiency deficits on the wings. Those 2 guys were a big part of it. We relied on interior D, rebounding, and a high post offense last year. Those were our strengths. The balance has been thrown completely out of whack. You replace one of the best rebounders/shotblockers in the league on a per minute basis with one of the worst rebounders in the league. You replace the high post offense, toughness, and drawing of charges that won us the CBI in Bisping with a bunch of guards running around in circles. You ignore the high post game and then Bisping gets hurt making it go away altogether. No, I think Silas and Bisping getting hurt changes everything. We're now a team reliant on its guards without great all around guards. I'm usually positive, but I'm not sure this team recovers from this this year. At least not to the extent that we all would like. The Saints are beating themselves. They are not getting beat. There's a difference. I'm not sure they know how to win anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 12:43:34 GMT -5
I don't know about others, but I'm not "suddenly" saying anything. I never thought Patsos was a good coach or a good hire. I'll support him and every player on the team, but I don't feel like that means I have to agree with everything they say or do. I'd accept the loses, too, with the lost personnel. But the lack of effort, the lack of individual improvement, and the newcomers not being "ready"? Those are on the head coach. I mean you joined the board last month. Consensus on here was that Siena was going to finish 1/2 in MAAC and win tourney before the season. I'm not sure what when I joined the board has to do with it? I've followed the board for many years. You should look up " concensus", because Siena finishing 1or 2 was not the consensus here. But whether it was or not, the way the team has played is disturbing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 12:45:49 GMT -5
I mean you joined the board last month. Consensus on here was that Siena was going to finish 1/2 in MAAC and win tourney before the season. for me it has and continues to be 3 through 6. Right now, Siena is headed toward 6th. Still time to turn that corner. well, that kills his "concensus" right there, without me needing to research for him.
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