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Post by th24 on Dec 8, 2014 6:01:19 GMT -5
And I totally disagree ! The talent is there .. they just need time! Tell us about the talent! In an actual basketball related post! Without exclamation points! And without coaches who don't exist (Bayhime?)!And maybe someone will take you seriously! I love you too honey! Happy Holidays!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 6:32:48 GMT -5
We lost a conference road game- news flash we will lose another 4 or 5 conference road games. Its not easy to win on the road in conference, No excuse for today, we didn’t play well… but what did you expect? We aren’t a 17-18 win MAAC team..we are a decent MAAC team. We are going to lose 7-8 MAAC games . Everyone is acting surprised. Pay attention we lost to Vermont Fordham, this team isn’t a finished product. We need more talent for sure .. barring a miracle run in MAAC tournament we are going to be a CIT type team this year ..I swear some of you people live and die with every game, we will have some good games and some not so good games—be steady But get it through your thick skulls this isn’t a championship type team..relax and enjoy season- how hard is it to win on the road--Iona just lost to Monmouth on road Agree with most of what you said. If you go back you will see I made no predictions about this year because we are still a "work in progress." The problem, as I see it, is that the staff does not appear to be "work"ing to take full advantage of what limited resources, talent and athleticism we have NOW. Simply changing a starting lineup doesn't come close to fixing our problems - especially given the turbo powered revolving door between the bench and the floor. I see no in-game adjustments when it is apparent to most people that what we are doing OFFENSIVELY is not WORKing! Allowing (I'd say "driving" but then I'd be criticized for having an agenda) Wolfe and now, as it appears, White to leave a team with missing pieces is insanity. We aren't even getting any benefit on the practice floor from Michael who is still at school on our dime! Our previous good coaches often put in the far end of the bench when they were pissed and trying to wake the other end players up. Jimmy's focus (limited at best; someone earlier diagnosed it well) is aimed at putting one player in the hot seat and then ranting - it doesn't seem to work at any level for this team. I chuckled at your "you people live and die with every game" - for three years you were living and dieing (mostly dieing) with every PLAY - I guess we have improved using that standard. We will lose many games and that should not be a surprise to anyone. It's how we lose that pisses me off. Most losses at least allow some positive takeaways - there were none yesterday. Our starting center gets ZERO rebounds! Lavon tried to take the team on his back late but one player can't do it all... One thing about being near the "edge" - the view is unobstructed and one can more clearly see what is likely to be ahead. Right now that picture is not a good one. I never enjoyed watching Loyola play, that sentiment is still true even with the different uni's!
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Post by $cott on Dec 8, 2014 11:36:25 GMT -5
Good news is in the Siena in the MAAC contest I had them beating Quinny and losing to Rider and still winding up 14-6 in the MAAC. So hardly the end of the world losing on the road to an average Rider team. What is more concerning is giving up 80 points to them without Maurice White seeing the floor, what a waste. Driving away White and Wolfe hurts this team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 11:45:56 GMT -5
Saints had 18 turnovers. They take care of the ball like they did previous 4 games, they probably win.
The difference in the game.
Rider turned it over 21 times. Saints take care of the ball...entirely different game.
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Post by nolesaint on Dec 8, 2014 12:06:29 GMT -5
Agree with most of what you said. If you go back you will see I made no predictions about this year because we are still a "work in progress." The problem, as I see it, is that the staff does not appear to be "work"ing to take full advantage of what limited resources, talent and athleticism we have NOW. Simply changing a starting lineup doesn't come close to fixing our problems - especially given the turbo powered revolving door between the bench and the floor. I see no in-game adjustments when it is apparent to most people that what we are doing OFFENSIVELY is not WORKing! Allowing (I'd say "driving" but then I'd be criticized for having an agenda) Wolfe and now, as it appears, White to leave a team with missing pieces is insanity. We aren't even getting any benefit on the practice floor from Michael who is still at school on our dime! Our previous good coaches often put in the far end of the bench when they were pissed and trying to wake the other end players up. Jimmy's focus (limited at best; someone earlier diagnosed it well) is aimed at putting one player in the hot seat and then ranting - it doesn't seem to work at any level for this team. I chuckled at your "you people live and die with every game" - for three years you were living and dieing (mostly dieing) with every PLAY - I guess we have improved using that standard. We will lose many games and that should not be a surprise to anyone. It's how we lose that pisses me off. Most losses at least allow some positive takeaways - there were none yesterday. Our starting center gets ZERO rebounds! Lavon tried to take the team on his back late but one player can't do it all... One thing about being near the "edge" - the view is unobstructed and one can more clearly see what is likely to be ahead. Right now that picture is not a good one. I never enjoyed watching Loyola play, that sentiment is still true even with the different uni's! I hope you are wrong about adjustments, focus and where the program is headed. But will admit that I too have concerns at this point, concerns that need to be addressed in this recruiting year. If he can't get the players he needs to successfully run his system then he must change his system or be prepared to move on - we are Siena and we, the Crown Jewel of the MAAC, not only pay for but demands REAL success!
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Post by sienasaint3 on Dec 8, 2014 15:02:45 GMT -5
Agree with most of what you said. If you go back you will see I made no predictions about this year because we are still a "work in progress." The problem, as I see it, is that the staff does not appear to be "work"ing to take full advantage of what limited resources, talent and athleticism we have NOW. Simply changing a starting lineup doesn't come close to fixing our problems - especially given the turbo powered revolving door between the bench and the floor. I see no in-game adjustments when it is apparent to most people that what we are doing OFFENSIVELY is not WORKing! Allowing (I'd say "driving" but then I'd be criticized for having an agenda) Wolfe and now, as it appears, White to leave a team with missing pieces is insanity. We aren't even getting any benefit on the practice floor from Michael who is still at school on our dime! Our previous good coaches often put in the far end of the bench when they were pissed and trying to wake the other end players up. Jimmy's focus (limited at best; someone earlier diagnosed it well) is aimed at putting one player in the hot seat and then ranting - it doesn't seem to work at any level for this team. I chuckled at your "you people live and die with every game" - for three years you were living and dieing (mostly dieing) with every PLAY - I guess we have improved using that standard. We will lose many games and that should not be a surprise to anyone. It's how we lose that pisses me off. Most losses at least allow some positive takeaways - there were none yesterday. Our starting center gets ZERO rebounds! Lavon tried to take the team on his back late but one player can't do it all... One thing about being near the "edge" - the view is unobstructed and one can more clearly see what is likely to be ahead. Right now that picture is not a good one. I never enjoyed watching Loyola play, that sentiment is still true even with the different uni's! I hope you are wrong about adjustments, focus and where the program is headed. But will admit that I too have concerns at this point, concerns that need to be addressed in this recruiting year. If he can't get the players he needs to successfully run his system then he must change his system or be prepared to move on - we are Siena and we, the Crown Jewel of the MAAC, not only pay for but demands REAL success! A large issue right now is rebounding the basketball. I can guarantee you that Jimmy planned to rely on Imoh Silas to be a good rebounder and all around big body this season. I can also guarantee that he was planning to rely on Brett Bisping to be a crucial rebounder. I can also tell you that without the two of them having to rely on two large bodies that have not filled out is not what Jimmy planned on needing to do this season. As Siena fans we should know how crucial rebounding was and we were really spoiled with Rosster and Franklin on the MAAC title teams. Im not calling this an excuse I am calling it a reality. The team will struggle this season in games where they arent playing physically tough due to the lack of size and rebounding prowess. Mind you Rome was not built in a day. A top 4 MAAC finish this season and success in the MAAC tournament should be considered a successful season.
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Post by hankla on Dec 8, 2014 15:33:55 GMT -5
A little levity. Today's Bleacher Report lists the ten worst losses in College basketball so far this season. Good news none of the Saints' loses are on the list. NJIT over Michigan is number one.
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Post by MTS on Dec 8, 2014 16:19:39 GMT -5
Agree with most of what you said. If you go back you will see I made no predictions about this year because we are still a "work in progress." The problem, as I see it, is that the staff does not appear to be "work"ing to take full advantage of what limited resources, talent and athleticism we have NOW. Simply changing a starting lineup doesn't come close to fixing our problems - especially given the turbo powered revolving door between the bench and the floor. I see no in-game adjustments when it is apparent to most people that what we are doing OFFENSIVELY is not WORKing! Allowing (I'd say "driving" but then I'd be criticized for having an agenda) Wolfe and now, as it appears, White to leave a team with missing pieces is insanity. We aren't even getting any benefit on the practice floor from Michael who is still at school on our dime! Our previous good coaches often put in the far end of the bench when they were pissed and trying to wake the other end players up. Jimmy's focus (limited at best; someone earlier diagnosed it well) is aimed at putting one player in the hot seat and then ranting - it doesn't seem to work at any level for this team. I chuckled at your "you people live and die with every game" - for three years you were living and dieing (mostly dieing) with every PLAY - I guess we have improved using that standard. We will lose many games and that should not be a surprise to anyone. It's how we lose that pisses me off. Most losses at least allow some positive takeaways - there were none yesterday. Our starting center gets ZERO rebounds! Lavon tried to take the team on his back late but one player can't do it all... One thing about being near the "edge" - the view is unobstructed and one can more clearly see what is likely to be ahead. Right now that picture is not a good one. I never enjoyed watching Loyola play, that sentiment is still true even with the different uni's! I hope you are wrong about adjustments, focus and where the program is headed. But will admit that I too have concerns at this point, concerns that need to be addressed in this recruiting year. If he can't get the players he needs to successfully run his system then he must change his system or be prepared to move on - we are Siena and we, the Crown Jewel of the MAAC, not only pay for but demands REAL success! I agree that we expect to be a MAAC title contender year in and year out (doesn't mean win it but always be in the mix for the title). Jimmy has said on more than one occasion "If I don't win I'll get fired" - IMO he understands what he has to do. That said considering what he inherited I don't know why people are overly pessimistic. His first year was about as good or better than anyone could have hoped for. McCaffery and Deane both made the NCAA tournament in their third season. Hewitt made it in his second with more talent when he took over. A 3-4 start this year is a tad disappointing but the reality is this is still a team rebuilding. By the end of the season I expect to have a very good team capable of winning the conference tournament and be in some kind of postseason. We have had some injuries (all teams do) but we are adjusting to them and have increased the scoring this year which is a positive development. No question Jimmy needs to "raise his game". We need more talent and need to recruit against the top mid-majors. I said when Jimmy was hired that we would not know until the beginning of his third year if he could be an elite head coach here. I'll stand by that.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 8, 2014 16:26:37 GMT -5
I hope you are wrong about adjustments, focus and where the program is headed. But will admit that I too have concerns at this point, concerns that need to be addressed in this recruiting year. If he can't get the players he needs to successfully run his system then he must change his system or be prepared to move on - we are Siena and we, the Crown Jewel of the MAAC, not only pay for but demands REAL success! I agree that we expect to be a MAAC title contender year in and year out (doesn't mean win it but always be in the mix for the title). Jimmy has said on more than one occasion "If I don't win I'll get fired" - IMO he understands what he has to do. That said considering what he inherited I don't know why people are overly pessimistic. His first year was about as good or better than anyone could have hoped for. McCaffery and Deane both made the NCAA tournament in their third season. Hewitt made it in his second with more talent when he took over. A 3-4 start this year is a tad disappointing but the reality is this is still a team rebuilding. By the end of the season I expect to have a very good team capable of winning the conference tournament and be in some kind of postseason. We have had some injuries (all teams do) but we are adjusting to them and have increased the scoring this year which is a positive development. No question Jimmy needs to "raise his game". We need more talent and need to recruit against the top mid-majors. I said when Jimmy was hired that we would not know until the beginning of his third year if he could be an elite head coach here. I'll stand by that. You give the excuses but fail to mention that could the scoring be due to soft schedule? Where are we with filling an athletic wing and increasing overall team athleticism? How is it the team STILL it's leading the nation in fouls while ranking among the worst in the country defensively? I do think Brandwijk and Fisher are a step forward but losing Poole Hymes White is going to be a step back. A LOT will hinge on the next two scholarships filled
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Post by MTS on Dec 8, 2014 17:29:40 GMT -5
I agree that we expect to be a MAAC title contender year in and year out (doesn't mean win it but always be in the mix for the title). Jimmy has said on more than one occasion "If I don't win I'll get fired" - IMO he understands what he has to do. That said considering what he inherited I don't know why people are overly pessimistic. His first year was about as good or better than anyone could have hoped for. McCaffery and Deane both made the NCAA tournament in their third season. Hewitt made it in his second with more talent when he took over. A 3-4 start this year is a tad disappointing but the reality is this is still a team rebuilding. By the end of the season I expect to have a very good team capable of winning the conference tournament and be in some kind of postseason. We have had some injuries (all teams do) but we are adjusting to them and have increased the scoring this year which is a positive development. No question Jimmy needs to "raise his game". We need more talent and need to recruit against the top mid-majors. I said when Jimmy was hired that we would not know until the beginning of his third year if he could be an elite head coach here. I'll stand by that. You give the excuses but fail to mention that could the scoring be due to soft schedule? Where are we with filling an athletic wing and increasing overall team athleticism? How is it the team STILL it's leading the nation in fouls while ranking among the worst in the country defensively? I do think Brandwijk and Fisher are a step forward but losing Poole Hymes White is going to be a step back. A LOT will hinge on the next two scholarships filled I thought you didn't think much of Hymes? We don't know if White is gone. There must be a reason he isn't playing. Otherwise Patsos would be playing him. I agree we need more athletic guys - another good shooter and a talented wing hopefully.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 9, 2014 6:12:29 GMT -5
You give the excuses but fail to mention that could the scoring be due to soft schedule? Where are we with filling an athletic wing and increasing overall team athleticism? How is it the team STILL it's leading the nation in fouls while ranking among the worst in the country defensively? I do think Brandwijk and Fisher are a step forward but losing Poole Hymes White is going to be a step back. A LOT will hinge on the next two scholarships filled I thought you didn't think much of Hymes? We don't know if White is gone. There must be a reason he isn't playing. Otherwise Patsos would be playing him. I agree we need more athletic guys - another good shooter and a talented wing hopefully. I don't think much of Hymes... that doesn't mean they have anything better replacing him. I keep saying the team needs more talent. They lack speed and athleticism. Hymes is one of the few on the team with speed. Lose him and dont add anyone with speed/athleticism and you're going from slow to slower
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Post by gosaints on Dec 9, 2014 9:29:20 GMT -5
You give the excuses but fail to mention that could the scoring be due to soft schedule? Where are we with filling an athletic wing and increasing overall team athleticism? How is it the team STILL it's leading the nation in fouls while ranking among the worst in the country defensively? I do think Brandwijk and Fisher are a step forward but losing Poole Hymes White is going to be a step back. A LOT will hinge on the next two scholarships filled I thought you didn't think much of Hymes? We don't know if White is gone. There must be a reason he isn't playing. Otherwise Patsos would be playing him. I agree we need more athletic guys - another good shooter and a talented wing hopefully. Sure would like to know the reason White isn't playing? Out of Pastos first recuriting group of Long, Wright, White and Wolfe it appears 2 of the 4 may be gone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 9:32:30 GMT -5
I thought you didn't think much of Hymes? We don't know if White is gone. There must be a reason he isn't playing. Otherwise Patsos would be playing him. I agree we need more athletic guys - another good shooter and a talented wing hopefully. Sure would like to know the reason White isn't playing? Out of Pastos first recuriting group of Long, Wright, White and Wolfe it appears 2 of the 4 may be gone. Maybe he forgot them, like you forgot Ogunyemi and Cole? They were part of that class.
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Post by $cott on Dec 9, 2014 14:08:46 GMT -5
Sure would like to know the reason White isn't playing? Out of Pastos first recuriting group of Long, Wright, White and Wolfe it appears 2 of the 4 may be gone. Maybe he forgot them, like you forgot Ogunyemi and Cole? They were part of that class. Ogunyemi was a Mitch recruit and Cole was a transfer
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 14:44:46 GMT -5
Maybe he forgot them, like you forgot Ogunyemi and Cole? They were part of that class. Ogunyemi was a Mitch recruit and Cole was a transfer If Ogunyemi was a "Mitch" recruit, he wouldn't be here. And being a transfer doesn't mean he wasn't recruited in that class. He will spend 4 years as a teammate of those players.
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