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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:18:13 GMT -5
Hymes should always see the court, always. You never want to have a guy on the bench rotting that can light a team up for 30. It doesn't take a very long time to find out if it's Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Scorer who shows up. Sure he makes some silly mistakes but he has saved the day more than once.
"Let Evan Play"
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Post by musicman on Nov 23, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
And it’s not all bad at all for Evan- some games he “has it” and in those games I expect him to play and play a lot – its just after 4 years we have a good feel for Evan’s game- some games he doesn’t have it--- or has a bad match up defensively It's true that there are times when he can come in , is hot and provides instant offense. The two really big things that drives me crazy are the bad decisions he makes (like driving into the low post with the defense set) AND holding the ball. The way he holds the ball as the clock runs down drives you crazy! I thought our ball movement against Gannon and UMass was excellent. Against Vermont everything slowed down, it didn't even look like the same team. I couldn't understand anything about that game. The Bonnies game the kids seemed to really pick up the pace again.
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Post by th24 on Nov 23, 2014 10:42:34 GMT -5
It's hard to play Hymes against " big teams" . However, Jimmy stated recently that his minutes will go up once MAAC play starts! And don't be surprised plays a ton in the Albany game!
Oliver is the key to winning the "big games" this year! Especially if they are down a couple baskets late in the game!
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Post by Tony on Nov 23, 2014 10:49:39 GMT -5
It's true that there are times when he can come in , is hot and provides instant offense. The two really big things that drives me crazy are the bad decisions he makes (like driving into the low post with the defense set) AND holding the ball. The way he holds the ball as the clock runs down drives you crazy! I thought our ball movement against Gannon and UMass was excellent. Against Vermont everything slowed down, it didn't even look like the same team. I couldn't understand anything about that game. The Bonnies game the kids seemed to really pick up the pace again. I don’t think the slow ball movement was all Evan’s fault, in fact it was mainly Baltimore kids fault – I fall somewhere in between a lot of you guys, I have no problem at all playing Evan, he has had some really good games his time here at Siena, kid can most definitely shoot and his speed is a tremendous asset, think no further than last year’s Manhattan win, he was so fast Manhattan couldn’t trap him, Oliver got the credit for hitting a few big shots down the stretch, but we wouldn’t have been in that position without Evan, Marquis was struggling with Jaspers press ( 7 turnovers) Hymes came in scored 17 points, broke the press ( 1 turnover) and basically put us in position to win the game. Its usually pretty easy to see who shows up at Siena games, the good Evan, or bad Evan.. I have no problem playing Evan a lot in games we have the “good” Evan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:51:33 GMT -5
It's hard to play Hymes against " big teams" . However, Jimmy stated recently that his minutes will go up once MAAC play starts! And don't be surprised plays a ton in the Albany game! Oliver is the key to winning the "big games" this year! Especially if they are down a couple baskets late in the game! If he plays "a ton" in the Albany game, bet on Albany.
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Post by musicman on Nov 23, 2014 10:56:04 GMT -5
It's true that there are times when he can come in , is hot and provides instant offense. The two really big things that drives me crazy are the bad decisions he makes (like driving into the low post with the defense set) AND holding the ball. The way he holds the ball as the clock runs down drives you crazy! I thought our ball movement against Gannon and UMass was excellent. Against Vermont everything slowed down, it didn't even look like the same team. I couldn't understand anything about that game. The Bonnies game the kids seemed to really pick up the pace again. I don’t think the slow ball movement was all Evan’s fault, in fact it was mainly Baltimore kids fault – I fall somewhere in between a lot of you guys, I have no problem at all playing Evan, he has had some really good games his time here at Siena, kid can most definitely shoot and his speed is a tremendous asset, think no further than last year’s Manhattan win, he was so fast Manhattan couldn’t trap him, Oliver got the credit for hitting a few big shots down the stretch, but we wouldn’t have been in that position without Evan, Marquis was struggling with Jaspers press ( 7 turnovers) Hymes came in scored 17 points, broke the press ( 1 turnover) and basically put us in position to win the game. Its usually pretty easy to see who shows up at Siena games, the good Evan, or bad Evan.. I have no problem playing Evan a lot in games we have the “good” Evan Tony, I totally agree with you. I blame the ball movement on the coaches. I would have pulled the kids off the court and have chewed them a new #@$ . The poor ball movement was on all of them.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Nov 23, 2014 11:30:02 GMT -5
Quit being such Hyme haters people. So sick of it. Give the kid his due where he has "earned" it. I am so tired of hearing our own fans on our own home court and in these blogs, rip him every time he makes a mistake in a game or when his name gets brought up. I have never seen such a player who has done nothing close to attaining such negative feedback from its own fan base, than Evan hymes has taken from this fan base, and has taken it so well with such class.
It's undeniable that the kid is a senior "leader" (yes; a leader) who brings value to this team both on and off the court. All he wants to do is win. He has shown that he is nothing but a first class kid both off the court and to his teammates, both on the court and in the locker room.
Considering what his role and amount of playing time was in his first two years, he has taken his diminished responsibility better than any other kid on the team probably ever would, let alone any other player on any other team ever would. He is a constant cheerleader whether he is playing or sitting.
He's a kid who under the circumstances, could have chosen to be a virus on this team and in the locker room.
Instead all he did, was handle his drastic change in minutes and responsibility in his junior year and even further so for this year in his senior year, by never complaining, but instead by just going out and averaging 8.5 points a game his junior year along with having his best assist to turnover ratio (1.25) since he's been here at Siena.
This was despite the fact that after two years, he was on his way to being a 1500 point scorer at Siena and went from playing 35(+) minutes a game to about 20 minutes a game last year toabout 11 minutes a game so far this year.
He was and is still a good teammate to this new coach and this new very heralded freshman/now sophomore class who came in with such high expectations. Yet he knew no matter how good they were, they were still not upperclassman leaders. He knew he could still take on that roll. And he did and he has.
Now we have a "talented" senior who can make his free throws and is not afraid of the big moment and taking "the shot" or making the pass if needed be with confidence when the end of game situations come up and the game is on the line. That is a good thing people.
Yes, he no doubt has his own set of weaknesses just like many players on this team do, including Poole and Bisbing, but why not start trying to focus on what positives and value he can bring to this team rather than all the negatives that are constantly brought up and seem to be a main focus when this kids name is mentioned.
If we are going back to the NCAA's this year, and who knows, hopefully to the second weekend of the tournament, thats a kid you want on your team and getting 15 to 20 consistent minutes a game. He's a kid who, mark my words, will make a big shot/pass/free throw or two or more to help us on more than one occasion, get a win and/or help move forward in a win or out scenario where with him we win, or without him. we lose.
He is not the enemy people. He is one of us. He wants to win and has shown he is a true loyal Saint. He has "earned" his 15 to 20 minutes a game so give him his due. Start treating as such. He is a senior 1000 pt scorer who can bring great value to this team when they need it. Why not start treating him like the senior leader he is and start pointing out the positives he brings rather than always leading with the negatives and the sighs that come with every mistake he makes.
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Post by gorvy on Nov 23, 2014 11:31:17 GMT -5
And it’s not all bad at all for Evan- some games he “has it” and in those games I expect him to play and play a lot – its just after 4 years we have a good feel for Evan’s game- some games he doesn’t have it--- or has a bad match up defensively And this is why I think you may see a 7 or 8 man rotation going forward, but it may not be the same 7 or 8 guys from game to game. This is where the depth may come in, not during the game but game to game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:46:31 GMT -5
Evan Hymes is an angel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:03:24 GMT -5
And it’s not all bad at all for Evan- some games he “has it” and in those games I expect him to play and play a lot – its just after 4 years we have a good feel for Evan’s game- some games he doesn’t have it--- or has a bad match up defensively And this is why I think you may see a 7 or 8 man rotation going forward, but it may not be the same 7 or 8 guys from game to game. This is where the depth may come in, not during the game but game to game. We need a big athletic guard from time to time...like Cole or White or maybe Paige. Just to throw something different at teams and make us more physical. So far, the only game that's worked has been the Umass game cause Cole did ok. In my opinion, any day that Hymes three point shot is on...he's on. But, at the same time, for all the talk about his mistakes...he takes care of the ball more than he doesn't and more than the guys who would replace him. Against good teams where every turnover matters...sometimes you just gotta go with experience and speed. And if it wasn't for Hymes' bucket vs. Penn St. Saints don't win the CBI either. He makes things happen just like Cole does. But he does it more efficiently than Cole has over his short career. You have to trade off the D and the rebounding, we know that. But every other game or so, it's usually worth it.
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Post by warden99 on Nov 23, 2014 13:29:50 GMT -5
Well said fan all year long. We need more like you and less dipshits
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Post by hockeyguy on Nov 23, 2014 13:55:04 GMT -5
I applaud "AllYear"'s post about Evan. I had commented when he was a freshman that I saw his career arc mirroring that of an other terrific, successful kid, Tay Fischer. Like Tay, who went from starter to shining contributor, I see Evan doing his thing, with grace and class and being a valuable part of this team. His heart, and his fire, especially when he tries to take it to the rim, sometimes overtakes his better judgment, but the kid is a competitor. You give up some "D" when he is matched against a taller opponent, but often as not, he breaks the opponent's "D" with his quickness and his ability knock the long ball down, so he is at least an "an even trade", and with the fire he brings, he is a plus. He has a place on this team, and depending on the matchup he may play 10 minutes or he may be 20 minutes, but he has a place and adds value. He may make us hold our heads at times, but he also can make us all throw both fists in the air, just when we were holding our collective breaths.
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Post by CellarRat on Nov 23, 2014 13:57:57 GMT -5
Well said fan all year long. We need more like you and less dipshits I don't think my comment was out of line? Am I a dipshit? You and fanallyearlong need to calm down. It wasn't your mother's virtue or honor we were characterizing. Evan is a good kid for sure and a very good ball player with limitations. I'm a big fan of his but even I, at a point, had to be objective about his skill set and decision making ability- he would make mistakes at critical times. I love the kid but he's not a leader. Cheerleader yes, not a leader.
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Post by th24 on Nov 23, 2014 14:12:23 GMT -5
I disagree the kid is a leader! If u watch him - he is very emotional /vocal! And always pointing things out to the other players ! Also, Jimmy is on the record stating Even will make a great coach one day!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:30:19 GMT -5
I disagree the kid is a leader! If u watch him - he is very emotional /vocal! And always pointing things out to the other players ! Also, Jimmy is on the record stating Even will make a great coach one day! Roseanne Barr is emotional and vocal, it doesn't make her a leader.
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